12:55:12 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:55:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/14-dwbp-irc 12:55:21 PhilA2 has changed the topic to: Agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140314 12:55:39 Zakim, who's here? 12:55:41 sorry, newton, I don't know what conference this is 12:55:41 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, newton, cgueret, laufer, Ig_Bittencourt, yaso, ivan, trackbot 12:55:42 zakim, this will be dwbp 12:55:42 ok, PhilA2, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started 12:56:08 zakim, who is here/ 12:56:08 I don't understand 'who is here/', PhilA2 12:56:11 zakim, who is here? 12:56:11 On the phone I see Caroline 12:56:13 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, newton, cgueret, laufer, Ig_Bittencourt, yaso, ivan, trackbot 12:56:18 -Caroline 12:56:19 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 12:56:19 Attendees were Caroline 12:56:22 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:56:29 +??P9 12:56:48 -??P9 12:56:49 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 12:56:49 Attendees were 12:56:56 zakim, code? 12:56:56 the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA 12:57:05 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 12:57:09 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:57:16 +[IPcaller] 12:57:19 zakim, who is on the phone? 12:57:19 On the phone I see [IPcaller] 12:57:26 zakim, ipcaller is me 12:57:26 +PhilA; got it 12:57:27 +??P9 12:57:36 Zakim, ??P9 is me 12:57:36 +Ig_Bittencourt; got it 12:57:51 Zakim, mute me 12:57:51 Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted 12:57:53 +HadleyBeeman 12:58:02 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 12:58:09 +??P10 12:58:17 newton_ has joined #dwbp 12:58:24 zakim, ??P10 is me 12:58:24 +MTCarrasco; got it 12:58:35 +Caroline 12:58:42 chair: HadleyBeeman 12:58:44 Zakim, Caroline is Yaso 12:58:44 +Yaso; got it 12:58:45 +??P11 12:58:52 zakim, ??P11 is me 12:58:52 +cgueret; got it 12:58:55 zakim, mute me 12:58:55 cgueret should now be muted 12:58:59 zakim, thanks! 12:58:59 I don't understand 'thanks!', cgueret 12:59:02 Hi all! 12:59:13 Hi there! 12:59:19 regrets+ Antoine, Bart, Vanessa, Makx 12:59:29 regrets: Antoine, Bart, Vanessa, Makx 12:59:34 +[IPcaller] 12:59:57 zakim, who is on the call? 12:59:57 On the phone I see PhilA, Ig_Bittencourt (muted), HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, Yaso, cgueret (muted), [IPcaller] 13:00:16 zakim, ipcaller is laufer 13:00:16 +laufer; got it 13:00:47 HadleyBeeman, I locked the door, nobody can see me ;-) 13:01:10 :) 13:01:37 -Yaso 13:02:18 ur welcome 13:02:22 ok 13:02:48 +adler1 13:02:58 http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html 13:03:14 adler1 has joined #DWBP 13:03:23 o_O 13:03:23 good morning 13:03:31 Good Morning 13:03:35 CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp 13:03:39 +Yaso 13:03:57 +laufer 13:05:04 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:05:04 newton has joined #dwbp 13:05:09 PROPOSAL: Approve last week minutes 13:05:13 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-03-07 13:05:22 Zakim, Yaso has nathalia 13:05:22 +nathalia; got it 13:05:26 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:05:32 +1 13:05:33 Zakim, Yaso has newton 13:05:33 +newton; got it 13:05:38 +1 13:05:42 +1 13:05:44 +1 13:05:47 +1 13:05:49 +1 13:05:53 flavio has joined #dwbp 13:05:58 (btw, is it "PROPOSAL" or "PROPOSED" ?) 13:06:01 +1 13:06:06 Zakim, Yaso has flavio 13:06:07 +Ivan 13:06:07 +flavio; got it 13:06:08 RESOLVED 13:06:26 Zakim, yaso has flavio 13:06:26 flavio was already listed in Yaso, yaso 13:06:28 zakim, mute me 13:06:28 Ivan should now be muted 13:06:36 RESOLVED: last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-03-07 13:06:46 ok 13:07:08 France maybe? 13:07:37 Welcome Flavio 13:07:45 flavio: introduce himself, 15 experience web dev 13:07:54 ... work with Yaso 13:08:11 +??P22 13:08:24 martin has joined #dwbp 13:08:24 ... going to attend the calls regularly 13:08:28 zakim, ??P22 is really me 13:08:28 +CarlosIglesias; got it 13:08:32 ... attending the F2F 13:09:16 +[IPcaller] 13:09:29 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 13:09:29 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:09:35 action-2? 13:09:35 action-2 -- Deirdre Lee to Lee to work with bernadetteloscio to create skeleton of uc document -- due 2014-02-21 -- OPEN 13:09:35 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/2 13:09:39 Topic: Review actions 13:09:50 +??P26 13:09:59 zakim, ??p26 is me 13:09:59 +martin; got it 13:10:02 PhilA: there are 8 open actions 13:10:08 ... some not formally closed yet 13:10:29 zakim, mute me 13:10:29 martin should now be muted 13:10:47 HadleyBeeman: review action-2 13:11:13 BernadetteLoscio: working on the doc but miss more examples 13:11:16 Zakim, who's talking? 13:11:27 newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yaso (4%), BernadetteLoscio (100%) 13:11:35 http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube-use-cases/ 13:11:37 ... want more example to have something similar to DataCube 13:11:51 ... with consumer use-case, publisher use-case, etc 13:12:39 q+ 13:12:41 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases ? 13:12:45 ... (call to group members for more inputs) 13:13:41 q+ 13:13:43 ... the template contains "elements, technical challenges, requirements" 13:14:02 HadleyBeeman: put the template on the top of the doc for easier access to it 13:15:02 ... goal is to facilitate the jobs for contributors 13:15:13 BernadetteLoscio: will put the template at the beginning of the page 13:15:39 q? 13:16:15 ... need to know how the scope topic fits into this 13:16:22 q+ to clarify the action item 13:16:46 q- 13:17:03 HadleyBeeman: what about adding an other section with highlights on missing topics? 13:17:08 action: Loscio to add DBPedia use case the the wiki (in the relevant format) 13:17:08 Error finding 'Loscio'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:17:14 zakim, umnute me 13:17:14 I don't understand 'umnute me', Ig_Bittencourt 13:17:18 ack ig 13:17:22 action: Bernadette to add DBPedia use case the the wiki (in the relevant format) 13:17:22 Created ACTION-11 - Add dbpedia use case the the wiki (in the relevant format) [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-03-21]. 13:17:24 flavio has joined #dwbp 13:18:09 flavio: quality of use-cases ? we have 7, this is not enough for the doc 13:18:16 ... how many more do we need? 13:18:16 @phila : actually, that action should be a section of the notes page to have topics (government, dbpedia, cultural heritage, etc.) so that the editors can work out where we need more use cases. 13:18:28 close action-11 13:18:28 Closed action-11. 13:18:51 +q 13:18:55 q+ 13:19:01 s/flavio:/Ig_Bittencourt: 13:19:04 flavio has joined #dwbp 13:19:13 PhilA: will have a chat with the dbpedia people to see how the project will evolve 13:19:56 ... one of the key people behind is richard, he is very well aware of all the vocabs so no worries 13:20:27 action: Bernadette to add a section of the notes page of the wiki to have topics (government, dbpedia, cultural heritage, etc.) 13:20:27 Created ACTION-12 - add a section of the notes page of the wiki to have topics (government, dbpedia, cultural heritage, etc.) [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-03-21]. 13:20:50 BernadetteLoscio: no precise idea about how many use-cases is enough 13:21:04 ... maybe aim at covering subjects, variety more than quantity 13:21:11 q? 13:21:43 laufer: I proposed to put DBpedia on the use-case 13:21:45 ack laufer 13:22:30 That was Steve's story that kicked off the discussion around DBpedia 13:22:39 ... we have applications that use dbpedia 13:23:15 flavio_ has joined #dwbp 13:23:26 ... very interesting to see ways to use the data 13:23:59 ack yaso 13:24:02 HadleyBeeman: good to make a list of things to be considered in the group 13:24:21 Zakim, mute me 13:24:21 Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted 13:24:32 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:24:32 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:24:58 yaso: we are focused on LOD and miss more use-cases that come from tabular data (e.g.) 13:25:06 q+ to support what yaso is saying 13:25:15 http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/vis/?id=4f7b30eb 13:25:19 ... how can we bring more use-cases such as ^^ 13:25:36 http://retratodaviolencia.org/ 13:25:45 https://github.com/dataviz/retrato-da-violencia.org 13:25:45 ... we should have use-cases that use different kind of data 13:25:58 q+ 13:26:10 +1 to this ! 13:26:18 q+ 13:26:21 ... we have to think of more ways to do data on the web 13:26:23 ack me 13:26:23 PhilA, you wanted to support what yaso is saying 13:26:37 +1 to this 13:26:37 q+ 13:26:50 +1 13:26:53 ack ivan 13:26:54 ACK IVAN 13:27:03 http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/ 13:27:21 ivan: work in the csv on the web group, try to avoid overlap with dwbp 13:27:32 ... csvw have its own use-case document 13:27:54 Vagner_Br has joined #dwbp 13:28:01 ... kind of different aim but we should still be careful to avoid overlap 13:28:13 ... they will produce a first draft before April 13:28:31 Do we want the CSVWG to be ahead of us in publishing their first document? I see that as a challenge! 13:28:39 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases#Types_of_use_cases 13:28:47 ... for certain categories we can refer to this group instead of redoing the work 13:28:53 Zakim unmutes Ig_Bittencourt 13:29:02 zakim, mute me 13:29:02 Ivan should now be muted 13:29:13 Zakim unmute Ig_Bittencourt 13:29:16 q? 13:29:23 ack ig 13:29:52 Ig_Bittencourt: shall we focus on a use-case (type) in particular ? 13:29:55 +1 with this 13:29:57 q+ 13:30:21 http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/vis/?id=4f7b30eb 13:30:28 q+ 13:30:34 ... e.g. focus on yaso's link for geospatial data 13:30:41 ... and provide a use-case 13:30:41 the use case is not about the type of data 13:30:59 it should be something broader than this 13:31:13 laufer: +1 with yaso for types of use-case we need 13:31:15 action: yaso to add notes on the http://retratodaviolencia.org/ case into the use cases wiki 13:31:16 Created ACTION-13 - Add notes on the http://retratodaviolencia.org/ case into the use cases wiki [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-03-21]. 13:31:32 it is more about the domain and the scenario 13:31:44 q? 13:31:48 q+ 13:31:48 q- laufer 13:31:53 +??P29 13:31:59 ack yaso 13:31:59 http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/img/GLF_Hausenblas.PNG 13:32:02 zakim, ??p29 is me 13:32:02 +martin; got it 13:32:03 q+ to respond to Bernadette's poing re domains vs technology 13:32:06 zakim, mute me 13:32:06 martin was already muted, martin 13:32:15 I understand now BernadetteLoscio. Thanks. 13:32:24 Zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:32:24 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:32:26 yaso: we have to separate use-cases and split along thinks like http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/img/GLF_Hausenblas.PNG to separate steps 13:32:38 ... separate applications from publishing pipeline 13:32:45 Zakim, mute me 13:32:45 Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted 13:32:48 q+ to mention that not all data on the Web is necessarily open 13:33:04 ack HadleyBeeman 13:33:04 HadleyBeeman, you wanted to respond to Bernadette's poing re domains vs technology 13:33:10 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:33:17 HadleyBeeman: we don't want the use-cases to focus on tech 13:33:45 ... need to be sure we don't forget an entire section of "data on the web" activity 13:33:45 Zakim, Yaso has Caroline_ 13:33:45 +Caroline_; got it 13:34:02 +1 to Bernadette 13:34:10 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:34:11 yaso: about the processes rather than about the tech 13:34:22 q- 13:34:28 q+ 13:34:37 q+ to say that this group could focus on the "publishing" part in the image... 13:35:23 https://www.mobify.com/blog/data-uris-are-slow-on-mobile/ 13:35:32 yaso: +1 to BernadetteLoscio to work on data publication and think about URIs and mobile 13:35:35 ack me 13:35:36 cgueret, you wanted to say that this group could focus on the "publishing" part in the image... 13:35:42 zakim, mute me 13:35:42 cgueret should now be muted 13:35:58 BernadetteLoscio: we can try to write a page 13:36:07 ... precise what use case are expected 13:36:11 To divide the use case just like in this document (http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-ld-bp-20140109/)? 13:36:14 +1 with this 13:36:19 +1 13:36:21 +1 13:36:31 q+ 13:36:31 _1 13:36:32 +1 13:36:36 +1 13:36:42 +1 13:36:44 ... need to work more on the template 13:36:59 newton has joined #dwbp 13:36:59 q+ 13:37:52 HadleyBeeman: is the "common questions" of the document ? 13:38:00 BernadetteLoscio: will think about it 13:38:14 ack yaso 13:38:15 ack adler 13:38:27 zakim, who is speaking ? 13:38:29 regrets+ Augusto 13:38:39 cgueret, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yaso (4%) 13:38:44 flavio has joined #dwbp 13:38:56 adler1: hard to fit some use-cases in this template 13:38:58 q+ to make a suggestion on use case definition 13:39:11 ... ok to split them along production / consumption 13:39:55 ... found the template rich and cool but could not make it fit to some use-cases saw/talked about 13:39:57 +q 13:40:02 ... maybe try something simpler 13:40:06 +1 13:40:17 ack me 13:40:17 PhilA, you wanted to make a suggestion on use case definition 13:40:31 q+ 13:40:34 Zakim, Yaso has Caroline_ 13:40:34 Caroline_ was already listed in Yaso, yaso 13:40:45 PhilA: we split use-cases according to domains (gov, ...) 13:40:58 ... what about classify about policy context ? 13:41:13 ... "if you are publishing data because X do that" 13:41:31 +1 13:41:49 ... technologists task is to do the bidding of the policy maker 13:42:21 q? 13:42:27 adler1: was not so much thinking about policy but the level of detail 13:42:34 ... details are intimidating 13:42:57 PhilA: policy can come after implementation 13:43:07 ... but individual start with a goal in mind 13:43:32 q+ 13:43:43 ... I meant trying to tackle the problem this person has 13:43:50 ... be it a policy or not 13:44:22 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:44:29 BernadetteLoscio: thx for the feedback steve, we will revise the template 13:44:52 ... wait before clasifying the use-cases 13:45:18 ack laufer 13:46:10 laufer: our use-cases are real use-cases, not based on scenario 13:46:50 ... guys building apps using data need to follow some BP 13:47:00 ... producing these should be our goal 13:47:36 I agree (as I guess everyone will) that users of data are as important as publishers - noting that often they are the same people 13:47:38 I've edited https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases#Types_of_use_cases to show that I was thinking of a check-list for collecting use cases. These lists may not be the best way to organise the document. 13:47:44 ack HadleyBeeman 13:48:15 HadleyBeeman: the WG need to focus on getting the right stuff in now 13:48:26 ... so that useful things can be get out 13:48:43 Topic: webinar this week 13:48:51 adler1: it went fine and was recorded 13:49:02 ... there is a short write-up 13:49:09 ... and a technical manual to read 13:49:13 thanks Hadley! 13:49:19 ... and a full recording 13:49:27 ... all up on the wiki 13:50:12 BernadetteLoscio: there is enough material from the webinar to derive a use-case from it 13:50:38 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases#NYC_Open_Data_Program 13:51:39 action-2? 13:51:39 action-2 -- Deirdre Lee to Lee to work with bernadetteloscio to create skeleton of uc document -- due 2014-02-21 -- OPEN 13:51:39 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/2 13:52:30 BernadetteLoscio: like to discuss things with Deirdre before we close it 13:52:36 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:52:50 action-3? 13:52:50 action-3 -- Yaso Córdova to Add dataos.gob.br to use case wiki -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:52:50 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/3 13:53:01 data.gov.br 13:53:21 yaso: done (but there was a bug with the server name) 13:53:21 close action-3 13:53:22 Closed action-3. 13:53:29 action-4? 13:53:29 action-4 -- Christophe Gueret to Can add an entry about http://www.pilod.nl too if that sounds useful (it's about dutch gov data registers) -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:53:29 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/4 13:53:33 close action-4 13:53:33 Closed action-4. 13:53:36 action-5? 13:53:36 action-5 -- Steven Adler to Add use cases arising from palo alto to wiki at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/use_cases -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:53:36 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/5 13:53:47 close action-5 13:53:47 Closed action-5. 13:53:53 action-6? 13:53:53 action-6 -- Eric Stephan to Add a use case for http://rfore.pnnl.gov to the use cases wiki -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:53:53 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/6 13:54:16 HadleyBeeman: eric not on the call 13:54:25 action-7? 13:54:25 action-7 -- Yaso Córdova to Will put the types of modules in the wiki -- due 2014-02-28 -- CLOSED 13:54:25 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/7 13:54:30 ... we'll leave it open 13:54:33 action-8? 13:54:33 action-8 -- Yaso Córdova to Will create a scope for the modules -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:54:33 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/8 13:54:53 yaso: not concluded 13:54:59 ... need more conversation 13:55:14 ... by mail will be good 13:55:20 action-9? 13:55:20 action-9 -- Makx Dekkers to Reflect his e-mail on scope in the use cases wiki -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:55:20 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/9 13:55:29 HadleyBeeman: makx not here 13:55:41 action-10? 13:55:41 action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:55:41 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10 13:55:42 ... leave that open 13:56:00 q+ 13:56:32 MTCarrasco: could not take care of it yet 13:56:46 action-12? 13:56:46 action-12 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to add a section of the notes page of the wiki to have topics (government, dbpedia, cultural heritage, etc.) -- due 2014-03-21 -- OPEN 13:56:46 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/12 13:57:00 q? 13:57:15 ack adler1 13:57:24 adler1: question about the meeting 13:57:54 ... get friends along but not gov officials (relates to catering) 13:58:01 ... will avoid paper work 13:58:13 Zakim, whos speaking? 13:58:13 I don't understand your question, Caroline_. 13:58:14 PhilA: define gov ? 13:58:18 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:58:32 adler1: someone working for the government 13:58:47 ... it's about anti-bribery laws 13:59:00 ... limit of 25$ a day 13:59:13 :-) 13:59:29 ... let me know if you are in a tricky situation 13:59:58 MTCarrasco: EC staff have a limit of eating �160 of sandwiches per day 14:00:26