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17:55:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:55:28 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2014
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17:59:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:59:56 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2014
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18:00:39 <JeniT> ScribeNick: JeniT
18:00:46 <Zakim> +dka
18:00:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:01:03 <Zakim> +??P5
18:01:06 <JeniT> Scribe: Jeni
18:01:09 <twirl> Zakim, ? is me
18:01:09 <Zakim> +twirl; got it
18:01:15 <JeniT> Chair: Peter
18:01:26 <JeniT> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2014-03-13-TC
18:02:07 <Domenic__> zakim, code?
18:02:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 0824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Domenic__
18:02:40 <Zakim> + +1.408.355.aaaa
18:02:47 <Domenic__> Zakim, aaa is me
18:02:47 <Zakim> sorry, Domenic__, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
18:02:52 <Domenic__> Zakim, aaaa is me
18:02:52 <Zakim> +Domenic__; got it
18:04:29 <Zakim> +Yves
18:04:29 <Zakim> + +1.617.953.aabb
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18:04:50 <Domenic__> Zakim, aabb is dherman
18:04:50 <Zakim> +dherman; got it
18:05:16 <JeniT> Topic: Extensible Web Summit
18:05:29 <JeniT> ???: what should we prepare?
18:05:51 <JeniT> s/???/Domenic_/
18:06:08 <JeniT> dka: we should have some short curated talks at the beginning of the day
18:06:45 <JeniT> ... this is just to introduce topics
18:06:58 <JeniT> ... we could outline in a shared document some ideas about what those talks should be
18:07:08 <JeniT> ... and we can discuss at the F2F, which is 3 days beforehand
18:07:28 <JeniT> ... I just sent out an email to invitees who haven't registered
18:07:32 <dherman> brb
18:07:57 <Zakim> -dherman
18:08:11 <JeniT> ... I'll open more general registration tomorrow
18:08:18 <JeniT> ... which we should advertise
18:08:42 <JeniT> ... to already-knowledgable developers
18:09:04 <JeniT> Domenic__: we should start that shared document for planning, eg topics, format
18:09:09 <JeniT> dka: there's an etherpad
18:10:26 <JeniT> dka: also, I had a ping from Evan Gill from Adobe asking about catering, budget, numbers etc
18:10:31 <twirl> https://ewe.etherpad.mozilla.org/1
18:11:00 <JeniT> ... if we don't have money, attendees can purchase food from the Adobe cafe
18:11:08 <JeniT> Domenic__: we can encourage going out for lunch
18:12:02 <JeniT> plinss: could we send out a reminder to tag member list please
18:12:28 <Zakim> +dherman
18:12:32 <JeniT> Topic: F2F Agenda
18:12:41 <JeniT> plinss: we have the wiki page for the agenda topics
18:13:22 <JeniT> Domenic__: we might want to discuss module (?) integration
18:14:07 <JeniT> Topic: Updates
18:14:14 <JeniT> dka: nothing from me
18:14:41 <JeniT> JeniT: nothing from me
18:14:50 <JeniT> twirl: question from me: what should we do with EME draft?
18:14:52 <dka> We may want to schedule a special call or chat or something about summit organization ...
18:15:08 <JeniT> ... I think it needs some population & fixing up
18:15:36 <Yves> eme draft... => f2f topic
18:15:43 <JeniT> +1 f2f topic
18:16:06 <JeniT> dherman: did we capture all the feedback?
18:16:17 <Domenic__> s/dherman/Domenic__
18:16:30 <Zakim> -twirl
18:16:47 <Zakim> +??P5
18:16:48 <twirl> Zakim, ? is me
18:16:48 <Zakim> +twirl; got it
18:17:30 <JeniT> JeniT: I think an informed discussion at the f2f needs to include a structure + a summary of the discussion
18:17:50 <JeniT> Domenic__: and should we do anything between now and f2f?
18:18:03 <JeniT> plinss: twirl, please can you organise the feedback?
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18:18:16 <JeniT> Domenic__: I revised quota management review
18:18:26 <JeniT> ... I think we should send that over shortly
18:18:44 <JeniT> ... that was a good review in many ways, it clarified some things about what's important
18:19:01 <JeniT> ... and illustrated some general patterns that we should pull together
18:19:11 <JeniT> ... I saw twirl did web animations spec review too
18:19:21 <JeniT> ... which looks great from my scan, but I'll look at further
18:19:28 <JeniT> ... the promises guide is wrapping up
18:19:45 <JeniT> ... I got information about WebIDL & promises
18:20:05 <JeniT> ... the last piece was about authors needing specific information
18:20:14 <JeniT> ... the promises guide should be ready for review at f2f and then publication
18:20:27 <JeniT> plinss: you want to send the quota management review?
18:20:34 <JeniT> Domenic__: yes, unless there are objections
18:20:39 <JeniT> plinss: any objections?
18:20:43 <JeniT> twirl: I'm very happy
18:21:05 <JeniT> dka: any more feedback should be in by Monday
18:21:17 <JeniT> plinss: Domenic__, please prompt people on the list
18:21:22 <JeniT> Domenic__: will do
18:21:39 <Zakim> -JeniT
18:22:00 <Domenic__> https://github.com/w3ctag/api-design-guide/blob/master/API%20Design%20Guide.md
18:22:16 <dherman> Domenic__: design guide is very high level
18:22:20 <dherman> Domenic__: lot of good possibilities there
18:22:28 <dherman> Domenic__: what I did with quota mgmt was more specific
18:22:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:22:40 <dherman> Domenic__: "here's what's wrong, here's why, here's how you'd do it in JS"
18:22:52 <dherman> Domenic__: useful as feedback but not necessarily something you'd read
18:23:21 <JeniT> dherman: you're saying you're not sure whether to capture at that level of detail?
18:23:24 <twirl> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/01-minutes.html#item02
18:23:30 <JeniT> Domenic__: I don't think we should expect people to read it
18:23:45 <JeniT> twirl: we discussed guide at last Cambridge f2f meeting
18:23:53 <JeniT> ... including what the guide should be
18:24:02 <JeniT> ... we decided we needed more completed reviews to make the guide
18:24:16 <JeniT> ... I had an action to start doing this guide, but I'm waiting for more reviews to make it
18:24:37 <JeniT> plinss: it's worth capturing, could be an appendix
18:24:54 <JeniT> Yves: no updates
18:25:16 <JeniT> dherman: I started drafting an explainer for module integration
18:25:21 <JeniT> ... and some requirements documents
18:25:35 <JeniT> ... got a lot more attention than I expected
18:25:52 <JeniT> ... but it's going pretty well, though there are some people that aren't happy
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18:26:13 <JeniT> ... I'm trying to capture as much design/rationale/requirements as I can
18:26:19 <JeniT> ... that will feed discussion at f2f
18:26:25 <JeniT> ... that's just in my github repo
18:26:43 <dherman> https://github.com/dherman/web-modules/
18:27:15 <JeniT> ... we're working on new browser engine called Servo
18:27:22 <JeniT> ... redesigned from scratch
18:27:33 <JeniT> ... building better abstractions in the architecture
18:27:47 <JeniT> ... using extensible web philosophy & web components, layering implementation
18:28:05 <JeniT> ... I was pitching looking at web components sooner rather than later
18:28:26 <JeniT> ... and got interest
18:28:37 <JeniT> ... we're looking at core primitives for CSS
18:28:44 <Domenic__> +1 for more external contribs with web components
18:28:49 <JeniT> ... the Servo team will be valuable in the extensible web discussions
18:28:55 <JeniT> ... and I'll try to bring them along to the summit
18:29:00 <JeniT> ... specifically to discuss CSS
18:29:13 <dka> +1
18:29:13 <JeniT> ... Servo is an interesting project that I'd like people to be aware of
18:29:14 <Domenic__> I could easily see hacking on <input type="date"> on a weekend
18:29:29 <JeniT> ... trying very different approaches from other browser engines
18:29:38 <JeniT> ... useful as a way of testing ideas for new features in the platform
18:29:58 <JeniT> ... to ensure they're implementable in very different engines
18:30:17 <JeniT> Domenic__: it would be great to have that discussion at the summit
18:30:55 <JeniT> dherman: they already do loads of abstraction from CSS in Servo
18:31:05 <JeniT> ... lots of interesting stuff to talk about
18:31:21 <JeniT> Topic: AOB?
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18:31:34 <Zakim> -dherman
18:31:36 <Zakim> -Domenic__
18:31:37 <Zakim> -twirl
18:31:38 <Zakim> -JeniT
18:31:39 <Zakim> -dka
18:31:40 <Zakim> -plinss
18:31:41 <Zakim> -Yves
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18:31:41 <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, dka, JeniT, twirl, +1.408.355.aaaa, Domenic__, Yves, +1.617.953.aabb, dherman
18:31:44 <dherman> dka: ok good to know
18:31:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/13-tagmem-minutes.html Yves
18:31:56 <dherman> AFAIK the tizen folks are so far not interested in servo :)
18:32:17 <dka> yeah that was my impression - different teams
18:32:50 <dka> but you might want to invite your samsung contact and let them know that Wonsuk Lee and Jungkee Song are already registered.
18:34:09 <dherman> ah ok
18:34:13 <dherman> I've met Wonsuk
18:34:24 <dherman> dka: is Daniel Glazman coming?
18:34:38 <dherman> he also has a group of people (separate, but also samsung!) contributing to servo
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