IRC log of tagmem on 2014-03-13
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be TAG
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- ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
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- Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 March 2014
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- +plinss
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- trackbot, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be TAG
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- ok, trackbot, I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 March 2014
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- ScribeNick: JeniT
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- +dka
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +??P5
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- Scribe: Jeni
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- Zakim, ? is me
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- +twirl; got it
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- Chair: Peter
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- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2014-03-13-TC
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 0824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Domenic__
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- + +1.408.355.aaaa
- 18:02:47 [Domenic__]
- Zakim, aaa is me
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- sorry, Domenic__, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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- Zakim, aaaa is me
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- +Domenic__; got it
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- +Yves
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- + +1.617.953.aabb
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- 18:04:50 [Domenic__]
- Zakim, aabb is dherman
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- +dherman; got it
- 18:05:16 [JeniT]
- Topic: Extensible Web Summit
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- ???: what should we prepare?
- 18:05:51 [JeniT]
- s/???/Domenic_/
- 18:06:08 [JeniT]
- dka: we should have some short curated talks at the beginning of the day
- 18:06:45 [JeniT]
- ... this is just to introduce topics
- 18:06:58 [JeniT]
- ... we could outline in a shared document some ideas about what those talks should be
- 18:07:08 [JeniT]
- ... and we can discuss at the F2F, which is 3 days beforehand
- 18:07:28 [JeniT]
- ... I just sent out an email to invitees who haven't registered
- 18:07:32 [dherman]
- brb
- 18:07:57 [Zakim]
- -dherman
- 18:08:11 [JeniT]
- ... I'll open more general registration tomorrow
- 18:08:18 [JeniT]
- ... which we should advertise
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- ... to already-knowledgable developers
- 18:09:04 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: we should start that shared document for planning, eg topics, format
- 18:09:09 [JeniT]
- dka: there's an etherpad
- 18:10:26 [JeniT]
- dka: also, I had a ping from Evan Gill from Adobe asking about catering, budget, numbers etc
- 18:10:31 [twirl]
- https://ewe.etherpad.mozilla.org/1
- 18:11:00 [JeniT]
- ... if we don't have money, attendees can purchase food from the Adobe cafe
- 18:11:08 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: we can encourage going out for lunch
- 18:12:02 [JeniT]
- plinss: could we send out a reminder to tag member list please
- 18:12:28 [Zakim]
- +dherman
- 18:12:32 [JeniT]
- Topic: F2F Agenda
- 18:12:41 [JeniT]
- plinss: we have the wiki page for the agenda topics
- 18:13:22 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: we might want to discuss module (?) integration
- 18:14:07 [JeniT]
- Topic: Updates
- 18:14:14 [JeniT]
- dka: nothing from me
- 18:14:41 [JeniT]
- JeniT: nothing from me
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- twirl: question from me: what should we do with EME draft?
- 18:14:52 [dka]
- We may want to schedule a special call or chat or something about summit organization ...
- 18:15:08 [JeniT]
- ... I think it needs some population & fixing up
- 18:15:36 [Yves]
- eme draft... => f2f topic
- 18:15:43 [JeniT]
- +1 f2f topic
- 18:16:06 [JeniT]
- dherman: did we capture all the feedback?
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- s/dherman/Domenic__
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- -twirl
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- +??P5
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- Zakim, ? is me
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- +twirl; got it
- 18:17:30 [JeniT]
- JeniT: I think an informed discussion at the f2f needs to include a structure + a summary of the discussion
- 18:17:50 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: and should we do anything between now and f2f?
- 18:18:03 [JeniT]
- plinss: twirl, please can you organise the feedback?
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- Domenic__: I revised quota management review
- 18:18:26 [JeniT]
- ... I think we should send that over shortly
- 18:18:44 [JeniT]
- ... that was a good review in many ways, it clarified some things about what's important
- 18:19:01 [JeniT]
- ... and illustrated some general patterns that we should pull together
- 18:19:11 [JeniT]
- ... I saw twirl did web animations spec review too
- 18:19:21 [JeniT]
- ... which looks great from my scan, but I'll look at further
- 18:19:28 [JeniT]
- ... the promises guide is wrapping up
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- ... I got information about WebIDL & promises
- 18:20:05 [JeniT]
- ... the last piece was about authors needing specific information
- 18:20:14 [JeniT]
- ... the promises guide should be ready for review at f2f and then publication
- 18:20:27 [JeniT]
- plinss: you want to send the quota management review?
- 18:20:34 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: yes, unless there are objections
- 18:20:39 [JeniT]
- plinss: any objections?
- 18:20:43 [JeniT]
- twirl: I'm very happy
- 18:21:05 [JeniT]
- dka: any more feedback should be in by Monday
- 18:21:17 [JeniT]
- plinss: Domenic__, please prompt people on the list
- 18:21:22 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: will do
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- -JeniT
- 18:22:00 [Domenic__]
- https://github.com/w3ctag/api-design-guide/blob/master/API%20Design%20Guide.md
- 18:22:16 [dherman]
- Domenic__: design guide is very high level
- 18:22:20 [dherman]
- Domenic__: lot of good possibilities there
- 18:22:28 [dherman]
- Domenic__: what I did with quota mgmt was more specific
- 18:22:34 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 18:22:40 [dherman]
- Domenic__: "here's what's wrong, here's why, here's how you'd do it in JS"
- 18:22:52 [dherman]
- Domenic__: useful as feedback but not necessarily something you'd read
- 18:23:21 [JeniT]
- dherman: you're saying you're not sure whether to capture at that level of detail?
- 18:23:24 [twirl]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/01-minutes.html#item02
- 18:23:30 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: I don't think we should expect people to read it
- 18:23:45 [JeniT]
- twirl: we discussed guide at last Cambridge f2f meeting
- 18:23:53 [JeniT]
- ... including what the guide should be
- 18:24:02 [JeniT]
- ... we decided we needed more completed reviews to make the guide
- 18:24:16 [JeniT]
- ... I had an action to start doing this guide, but I'm waiting for more reviews to make it
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- plinss: it's worth capturing, could be an appendix
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- Yves: no updates
- 18:25:16 [JeniT]
- dherman: I started drafting an explainer for module integration
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- ... and some requirements documents
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- ... got a lot more attention than I expected
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- ... but it's going pretty well, though there are some people that aren't happy
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- 18:26:13 [JeniT]
- ... I'm trying to capture as much design/rationale/requirements as I can
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- ... that will feed discussion at f2f
- 18:26:25 [JeniT]
- ... that's just in my github repo
- 18:26:43 [dherman]
- https://github.com/dherman/web-modules/
- 18:27:15 [JeniT]
- ... we're working on new browser engine called Servo
- 18:27:22 [JeniT]
- ... redesigned from scratch
- 18:27:33 [JeniT]
- ... building better abstractions in the architecture
- 18:27:47 [JeniT]
- ... using extensible web philosophy & web components, layering implementation
- 18:28:05 [JeniT]
- ... I was pitching looking at web components sooner rather than later
- 18:28:26 [JeniT]
- ... and got interest
- 18:28:37 [JeniT]
- ... we're looking at core primitives for CSS
- 18:28:44 [Domenic__]
- +1 for more external contribs with web components
- 18:28:49 [JeniT]
- ... the Servo team will be valuable in the extensible web discussions
- 18:28:55 [JeniT]
- ... and I'll try to bring them along to the summit
- 18:29:00 [JeniT]
- ... specifically to discuss CSS
- 18:29:13 [dka]
- +1
- 18:29:13 [JeniT]
- ... Servo is an interesting project that I'd like people to be aware of
- 18:29:14 [Domenic__]
- I could easily see hacking on <input type="date"> on a weekend
- 18:29:29 [JeniT]
- ... trying very different approaches from other browser engines
- 18:29:38 [JeniT]
- ... useful as a way of testing ideas for new features in the platform
- 18:29:58 [JeniT]
- ... to ensure they're implementable in very different engines
- 18:30:17 [JeniT]
- Domenic__: it would be great to have that discussion at the summit
- 18:30:55 [JeniT]
- dherman: they already do loads of abstraction from CSS in Servo
- 18:31:05 [JeniT]
- ... lots of interesting stuff to talk about
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- Topic: AOB?
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- ADJOURNED
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- -dherman
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- -Domenic__
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- -twirl
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- -JeniT
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- -dka
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- -plinss
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- -Yves
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- TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were plinss, dka, JeniT, twirl, +1.408.355.aaaa, Domenic__, Yves, +1.617.953.aabb, dherman
- 18:31:44 [dherman]
- dka: ok good to know
- 18:31:50 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/13-tagmem-minutes.html Yves
- 18:31:56 [dherman]
- AFAIK the tizen folks are so far not interested in servo :)
- 18:32:17 [dka]
- yeah that was my impression - different teams
- 18:32:50 [dka]
- but you might want to invite your samsung contact and let them know that Wonsuk Lee and Jungkee Song are already registered.
- 18:34:09 [dherman]
- ah ok
- 18:34:13 [dherman]
- I've met Wonsuk
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- dka: is Daniel Glazman coming?
- 18:34:38 [dherman]
- he also has a group of people (separate, but also samsung!) contributing to servo
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