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14:40:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:40:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 40 minutes ago
14:40:44 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:40:44 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2014
14:40:59 <janina> agenda?
14:41:17 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:41:17 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:41:25 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:41:25 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:41:25 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:41:28 <janina> agenda+ March Meeting Schedule & Additional Clock Adjustments
14:41:31 <janina> agenda+ HTML-WG & Web Apps F2F  http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda
14:41:33 <janina> agenda+ Reviving and Expanding Media Subteam http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0049.html
14:41:36 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Update [See Below]
14:41:39 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [See Below]
14:41:41 <janina> agenda+ Alt Guidance & Next Steps [See Below]
14:41:44 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [see below]
14:41:46 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:41:49 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:41:52 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:52:24 <janina>  zakim, next item
14:52:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. "March Meeting Schedule & Additional Clock Adjustments" taken up [from janina]
14:52:34 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
14:52:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:55:03 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:55:03 <Zakim> apparently WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended, MarkS
14:55:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, SteveF, Zakim, cabanier, hober, MarkS, trackbot
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14:55:17 <janina> regrets: Adrian_Roselli
14:58:03 <janina> zakim, call janina
14:58:03 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
14:58:04 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:58:05 <Zakim> +Janina
14:58:35 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
15:01:17 <Zakim> +Judy
15:03:17 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:06:47 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:07:00 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:07:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "March Meeting Schedule & Additional Clock Adjustments" taken up [from janina]
15:07:16 <MarkS> JS: propose we skip next week with the CSUN conference taking place.
15:10:28 <MarkS> ...assuming that today's low attendance may be due to time change.
15:10:40 <MarkS> [pinging various people]
15:11:13 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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15:11:56 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:11:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTML-WG & Web Apps F2F  http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda" taken up [from janina]
15:12:36 <MarkS> JS: Chaals has announced that he will not be able to attend HTML WG F2F
15:12:52 <MarkS> ...Mark will be there focusing on Canvas
15:13:19 <MarkS> JB: Want to make sure that we are prepared for any issues that may be raised during the F2F in regards to a11y.
15:13:59 <MarkS> JS: They will be clearing all the bugs.  Zero issues and zero at risk items
15:14:20 <MarkS> CS: They will not be clearing any 5.1 bugs.  focus is on 5.0
15:14:48 <MarkS> JB: have we done the comprehensive check?  Should we do a walk through now?
15:15:10 <MarkS> JS: Not sure what's at risk.
15:16:54 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/
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15:17:17 <MarkS>      Application Cache
15:17:17 <MarkS>     <dialog>
15:17:17 <MarkS>     <details> and <summary>
15:17:17 <MarkS>     <input type=color>
15:17:17 <MarkS>     <input type=datetime>, <input type=month>, <input type=week>, <input type=time>, <input type=datetime-local>
15:17:19 <MarkS>     <output>
15:17:21 <MarkS>     <style scoped>
15:17:23 <MarkS>     <iframe seamless>
15:17:25 <MarkS>     Custom scheme and content handlers (registerProtocolHandler and registerContentHandler)
15:17:29 <MarkS>     Outline algorithm
15:17:31 <MarkS>     UA mechanism for navigating to resources linked to in cite="", see Bug 18915 for more.
15:17:38 <MarkS> CS: no concerned about any of these
15:18:33 <MarkS>      Application Cache
15:18:33 <MarkS>     <dialog>
15:18:33 <MarkS>     <details> and <summary>
15:18:33 <MarkS>     <input type=color>
15:18:34 <MarkS>     <input type=datetime>, <input type=month>, <input type=week>, <input type=time>, <input type=datetime-local>
15:18:37 <MarkS>     <output>
15:18:39 <MarkS>     <style scoped>
15:18:41 <MarkS>     <iframe seamless>
15:18:45 <MarkS>     Custom scheme and content handlers (registerProtocolHandler and registerContentHandler)
15:18:47 <MarkS>     Outline algorithm
15:18:49 <MarkS>     UA mechanism for navigating to resources linked to in cite="", see Bug 18915 for more.
15:18:59 <MarkS> JF: A little concerned about details and summary
15:20:27 <MarkS> MS: Steve has been discussing the outline algorithm on the lists
15:20:35 <MarkS> JF: It's fantasy at this point
15:20:53 <MarkS> JS: It's not gonna happen if there are no implementations.
15:21:47 <MarkS> MS: details and summary
15:21:58 <MarkS> JS: we will have that covered in aria soon.
15:22:51 <MarkS> JF: we were using that as a solution for the removal of the summary attribute on tables
15:23:12 <MarkS> CS: have that well covered with aria-describedby and aria-label, etc.
15:23:27 <MarkS> ...think we should make it a work item for 5.1
15:23:54 <MarkS> JB: We don't have a list for keeping these on our radar.
15:24:04 <MarkS> s/list/workflow
15:24:19 <MarkS> JS: we have a 5.1 list.
15:24:36 <MarkS> ...its linked in the agenda. probably need to update it and look at it more frequently
15:25:49 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/open
15:27:18 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=HTML5%20spec&keywords=CR%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=33558&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
15:34:24 <MarkS> agenda?
15:35:16 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:35:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Reviving and Expanding Media Subteam http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0049.html" taken up [from janina]
15:35:28 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/media-a11y-tf-2/
15:36:26 <MarkS> Open for 7 days after CSUN so any interested members have time to fill out the survey
15:36:56 <Zakim> -Judy
15:37:15 <Zakim> +Judy
15:38:57 <MarkS> JB: should we send around timezone links since the dates in the survey are only good for 2 weeks?
15:40:16 <MarkS> MS: I will send around links to timeanddate.com that are adjusted to the future dates, not the dates in this 2 week period
15:40:21 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:40:21 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Longdesc Update" taken up [from See Below]
15:41:02 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:41:02 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, MarkS
15:41:07 <MarkS> zakim, close item 5
15:41:07 <Zakim> agendum 5, Longdesc Update, closed
15:41:08 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:41:08 <Zakim> 6. Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [from See Below via janina]
15:41:11 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:41:11 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]
15:41:33 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/#hit-regions
15:45:08 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:45:08 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Alt Guidance & Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]
15:46:49 <MarkS> JS: Steve will be giving us an update at CSUN.  HTML chairs are expecting it.
15:46:56 <MarkS> zakim, close item 7
15:46:56 <Zakim> agendum 7, Alt Guidance & Next Steps, closed
15:46:57 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:46:57 <Zakim> 8. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from see below via janina]
15:47:01 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:47:01 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF" taken up [from see below]
15:48:35 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Current_Bug_Triage_Issues
15:49:50 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13129
15:50:55 <MarkS> JF: summary attribute is obsolete. went to a vote.
15:51:39 <MarkS> JS: weren't we promised that details and summary would cover this use case?
15:51:53 <MarkS> ... and now that is at risk...
15:52:40 <MarkS> JB: assuming we are talking about 5.1 here.  We can't make enough progress on this.
15:52:57 <MarkS> s/this./this in reasonable time.
15:53:28 <MarkS> ...is there an angle we can pursue in 5.1 for this?
15:53:43 <Judy> q?
15:53:58 <MarkS> JF: the argument against summary was the same they used against longdesc, hidden metatdata.
15:54:52 <MarkS> ...the fact that details/summary is at risk means we probably need to follow up with this in 5.1 or we reverse the decision to remove summary attribute and propose an extension spec
15:55:16 <MarkS> JS: we should go back in read the decision.  it would be easy to put summary back in.  going back into LC is a good time to do that.
15:55:47 <MarkS> ...I am personally not for putting summary back in, since we have good coverage by aria.  But we do have options.
15:56:18 <Judy> q+
15:56:49 <MarkS> CS: If you're going to do something, an extension spec would be the way to do it.  This bug isn't about that though.  Its about accessible tables.
15:57:01 <JF> ack cyn
15:57:07 <JF> ack judy
15:58:29 <MarkS> JB: the F2F could be a good time to address this with the WG.
15:58:51 <MarkS> JF: all of those interested in this will be at CSUN.  Should we have a sit down and talk about this?
15:59:45 <MarkS> ...could talk about this at the WCAG F2F
15:59:48 <MarkS> ...look for techniques
16:00:06 <MarkS> JS: implementations are still there
16:00:53 <MarkS> CS: John, can you put something together?
16:01:03 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:01:05 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:01:06 <Zakim> -Judy
16:01:07 <MarkS> JF: yes, probably a working breakfast, maybe thursday
16:01:09 <Zakim> -Janina
16:01:12 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
16:01:13 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:01:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Janina, Mark_Sadecki, Judy, Cynthia_Shelly, John_Foliot
16:01:50 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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