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12:37:35 <fsasaki> meeting: ITS IG
12:37:37 <fsasaki> chair: felix
12:37:59 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Mar/0007.html
12:38:02 <fsasaki> regrets: pablo
12:38:13 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
12:38:15 <fsasaki> checking attendeeds ...
12:38:22 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
12:38:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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12:41:02 <dF> hi Felix, could you please help me out with my w3c account, I tried using it for my Madrid registration, but it did not work
12:41:09 <dF> my login is dfilip
12:42:01 <dF> I tried recovering my password using david.filip@ul.ie but nothing came
12:42:52 <dF> I wonder if I should make myslef a new account and apply for being an invited expert? as my ul account probably stopped working when UL membership ended?
12:43:21 <dF> I know the account is not necessary for registration
12:43:37 <dF> but I probably need one for the ig contributions
12:44:24 <dF> few things did not work with the old account recently, but when the registration failed I wonder if it is banned or something
12:45:37 <dF> hm, strange, my current password does not work and I did not get any recovery info in the past hour
12:46:09 <dF> is the associated e-mail address david.filip@ul.ie?
12:46:55 <dF> any idea why the registration form refused my credentials, I have them stored in a keypass db so a typo is not an option
12:47:51 <dF> again, the link requires login and refuses my current credentials :-(
12:48:11 <dF> the link to ig membership you posted
12:49:31 <dF> Sorry, Password Required  An account (with a password) is required to view the page that you requested.  If you don't have one, request a new account. If you have an account but forgot your password, recover your password. In case of trouble with any W3C Web account, please send an email to member-access@w3.org.
12:52:46 <dF> this link is public
12:53:13 <dF> the error message was for trzing to see the ig list and to register with my account
12:53:26 <dF> do zou think I can edit the ig wiki?
12:53:30 <dF> I will try
12:55:12 <dF> The wiki accpeted my login
12:57:11 <dF> also I was able to save a minor edit
12:57:30 <dF> I will register using the 'no' option
12:59:53 <dF> my credentials started magicallz working all over the place, including the reg form
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13:04:53 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Mar/0007.html
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13:05:30 <fsasaki> topic: ITS per data category
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13:07:22 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Description_of_ITS_benefit_per_data_category
13:08:35 <fsasaki> pedro: just extend the time, and try to do it as soon as we can
13:08:35 <YvesS> +1 on continuing that page
13:08:56 <fsasaki> phil: try to do it and see how it progresses
13:09:13 <philr> +1 we should try best to complete
13:10:47 <fsasaki> phil: get more tools vendors to adopt - it would be much easier than approaching customers
13:10:51 <fsasaki> agree
13:12:20 <fsasaki> phil: trying to get a workflow working with dita. will document and publish that later
13:13:07 <pedro> http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.translationzone.com%2FImages%2FSDL_WP_Studio2014_Whats_New_EN_A4_lores_tcm40-41934.pdf&ei=Ml0gU820EK-10QXa_YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNE0QGmWfHqGCCXudT_xxwaSocolpg&sig2=s4Z5aEnsTfMOZtw64IUnmQ
13:13:53 <dF> In the agenda, there is a wrong link for the XLIFF 2.0 mapping the correct one should be this: https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
13:13:56 <fsasaki> enhanced XML filter with support for open W3C standards such as ITS 2.0 - support in SDL 2014. No details yet provided
13:14:08 <fsasaki> thanks, df - yes, I'll correct that
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13:14:37 <fsasaki> pedro: will check out SDL 2014 support later in a few months
13:15:05 <fsasaki> topic: XLIFF 2.0 mapping
13:15:17 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
13:15:40 <YvesS> I've started to implement ITS in the XLIFF2 Okapi lib (as an extension for now)
13:16:02 <YvesS> yes, looking at the 1.2 mapping
13:16:34 <fsasaki> phil: talking to yves and dave about implementing XLIFF2 in ocelot
13:16:43 <YvesS> and tackling the datacat needed for Ocelot first
13:17:05 <YvesS> yes, the mapping page needs a lot or work
13:17:19 <fsasaki> david: most of the 2.0 mappings are scetched on the old page
13:17:48 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
13:18:30 <fsasaki> david: XLIFF 2.0 is now being pushed on the community spec level. That will hopefully happen next week or early April
13:18:35 <YvesS> old mapping page: http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
13:19:00 <dF> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
13:19:20 <fsasaki> felix: so a lot of the mapping is done
13:20:31 <fsasaki> phil: wondering if implementation of mappings implementation would change if there is a decision made to make ITS a module of XLIFF2?
13:20:49 <fsasaki> david: interesting aspect. It is good to work on the mapping on the IG
13:21:08 <fsasaki> .. at some point to ensure that it becomes an xliff module, it needs to move to the TC
13:21:26 <fsasaki> .. and then it will need a statement of use / reference implementations
13:21:37 <fsasaki> .. three implementations are required
13:21:53 <YvesS> actually OASIS doesn't require ANY implementations...
13:22:01 <fsasaki> .. we could get for a third one among CNGL partners, in addition to Ocelot / Okapi
13:22:43 <YvesS> it requires only statment of use
13:23:23 <dF> SoU
13:23:28 <fsasaki> three statement of use are needed
13:23:49 <YvesS> not corporate
13:24:25 <fsasaki> felix: what is the timeline for ITS in XLIFF2?
13:24:34 <fsasaki> david: no rigourous planning so far
13:24:51 <fsasaki> .. a CNGL working item. Having the mapping workin in XLIFF 2.0 is one of the goals in CNGL2
13:25:07 <fsasaki> .. I will make it a priority as soon as the XLIFF2 committee spec is out
13:25:49 <fsasaki> .. there is a little technical work on the spec
13:26:28 <fsasaki> david: finish the mapping on the wiki by the summer break would be great
13:26:55 <fsasaki> action: felix to assure that XLIFF2 mapping is finished by end of june - due 2014-06-30
13:26:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Assure that xliff2 mapping is finished by end of june [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-06-30].
13:27:02 <YvesS> Note that mapping and implementations can be done as extension, and making the extension an official module can be done later.
13:28:07 <fsasaki> felix: formalization of module - does that include a namespace change?
13:28:19 <fsasaki> david: we said we'd accept namespaces hosted by proper standards org
13:28:43 <fsasaki> .. we hit some issues with validation
13:28:58 <fsasaki> .. the current spec validates based on OASIS hosted urn prefixes
13:29:07 <fsasaki> .. so two options: co-host namespace by OASIS
13:29:17 <fsasaki> .. or in 2.1 another prefix is added to the spec
13:30:02 <fsasaki> felix: adding a poitner from w3c namespace doc to oasis namespace would not be an issue
13:30:19 <fsasaki> david: one of the other features
13:30:44 <fsasaki> .. there is interest in the community for ITS module
13:30:55 <fsasaki> .. if there are other ideas, I would add them to 2.2 rather than 2.1
13:31:10 <fsasaki> .. for XLIFF 2.1, the main work is: ITS module + advanced validation support
13:31:14 <fsasaki> .. currently we have only XSD
13:31:20 <fsasaki> .. all other things need to be hand made
13:31:31 <fsasaki> .. are not supported by TC artefacts
13:32:09 <fsasaki> felix: is there an easy way to see the constraints to check?
13:32:25 <fsasaki> david: all relevant sections are labelled as constraints
13:32:35 <fsasaki> .. see the conformance section that is defined
13:32:58 <YvesS> IMO it's not easy to get a list of all constraints and PRs. I've started an Excel list I can post
13:33:11 <fsasaki> that would be great, Yves
13:33:42 <fsasaki> david: that could be part of advanced validation support in 2.1
13:34:18 <fsasaki> felix: happy to help with the validation support
13:34:26 <fsasaki> .. having a list of the constraints would be helpful
13:34:43 <fsasaki> david: having phd student who is starting with this
13:35:05 <YvesS> The Excel list is in the conformance folder in the OkapiXLIFFL distribution (http://okapi.opentag.com/snapshots/okapi-xliffLib_all-platforms_0.21-SNAPSHOT.zip)
13:35:12 <fsasaki> thanks, Yves
13:36:25 <dF> https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/trunk/xliff-20/xliff-core.pdf
13:36:52 <dF> https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/
13:37:35 <dF> https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/trunk/xliff-20/test-suite/#_trunk_xliff-20_test-suite_
13:38:40 <YvesS> no
13:38:59 <fsasaki> action: felix to look into XLIFF2 validation using the oasis svn truck
13:38:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Look into xliff2 validation using the oasis svn truck [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-03-19].
13:40:09 <fsasaki> topic: issues proposed features
13:40:29 <fsasaki> pablo working on readiness
13:41:11 <fsasaki> pedro: example: give a flag whether content should be revised or not
13:41:37 <fsasaki> david: we had nice readiness in XLIFF 2.0, was dropped in a ballot
13:41:52 <fsasaki> .. will post a link about this
13:41:59 <fsasaki> felix: that can help our readiness definition
13:43:36 <fsasaki> pedro: wondering whether the decision "publishing or not" and you send it back to CMS: should be in the CMS another decision point in here
13:43:53 <fsasaki> .. e.g. be ready to publish or do another step (validation ...)
13:44:17 <fsasaki> david: the diagram  is the highest level possible, has the highest level of check points, depends on state machine
13:44:38 <fsasaki> pedro: add one more decision point to CMS or saying things are ready for publishing
13:44:42 <fsasaki> david: we can take this offline
13:45:12 <fsasaki> .. updated the action item with this about the ongoing discussion
13:45:57 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Ontology
13:46:13 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#
13:47:26 <fsasaki> felix: moving the ontology to github - what the implications are?
13:47:43 <fsasaki> david: may be relevant for analytics
13:48:28 <fsasaki> felix: feedback from dave may be needed
13:48:53 <fsasaki> david: from persistence w3c seems more stable and reliable
13:49:06 <fsasaki> phil: we have not done more than since then the work on the NIF test suite
13:49:25 <fsasaki> .. have been talking to Dave how that relates to CNGL work
13:49:32 <fsasaki> .. not final discussion yet
13:50:11 <fsasaki> .. dave and I were trying to do something for madrid conference
13:51:18 <fsasaki> david: invite sebastian to the call next time?
13:51:25 <fsasaki> .. he probably expects some changes to track
13:52:40 <fsasaki> topic: upcoming related events
13:52:51 <fsasaki> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2014-madrid-workshop/2014-madrid-cfp#importantdates
13:53:24 <fsasaki> "Localization World London  FEISGILLT
13:53:37 <fsasaki> s/London/Dublin/
13:54:24 <fsasaki> FEISGILLT deadline is 19 March
13:54:37 <fsasaki> david: two calls - XLIFF symposium, content analytics topic
13:54:52 <fsasaki> .. ITS related topics can fit in either of calls
13:55:07 <fsasaki> .. e.g. XLIFF mapping better in XLIFF symposium, others in content analytics
13:55:31 <fsasaki> .. interop use cases, academic papers, demonstrators etc.
13:55:36 <YvesS> FWIW: I'd be happy to do some demo/presentation (e.g. XLIFF2+ITS2) etc. I've submitted 3 proposals. But I don't have the budget to go to Dublin.
13:56:11 <YvesS> Dave told me he talked to Asun.
13:56:50 <YvesS> sure I'll send you that today
13:57:39 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off_Meeting_and_Roadmap
13:57:52 <dF> FEISGILTT http://bit.ly/1c4RC5Y CAL call http://bit.ly/1aOppVV XLIFF call http://bit.ly/1aOo7Kr
13:58:27 <fsasaki> david: all submissions through easy chair
13:58:37 <fsasaki> .. need to choose  track + topics, formats are the same
13:59:00 <fsasaki> topic: webplatform.org
13:59:44 <fsasaki> felix: is there something people should focus on if they want to contribute?
14:00:31 <Jirka> yes, I'm here
14:01:30 <fsasaki> jirka: before luxembourg meeting I created empty page for all its data categories
14:01:41 <fsasaki> .. but did not have time to put content for all data categories
14:02:16 <fsasaki> felix: releveance for data categories?
14:02:20 <fsasaki> jirka: will do if I have time
14:02:31 <fsasaki> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/its/attributes
14:02:42 <fsasaki> pedro: a lot of content already about CSS etc.
14:02:59 <fsasaki> .. we have already done a lot of that stuff, in wiki etc.
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14:03:16 <fsasaki> .. maybe people more related with universities have a phd students to compile the info
14:03:46 <fsasaki> .. material is done, just needs to be gathered and put in
14:03:56 <fsasaki> .. not only in IG wiki, but also with test files etc.
14:04:24 <fsasaki> topic: aob
14:04:38 <YvesS> Thanks. Bye.
14:04:43 <pedro> bye
14:04:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:06:28 <fsasaki> present+ david
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14:06:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:47:03 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:47:03 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-actions.rdf :
14:47:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to assure that XLIFF2 mapping is finished by end of june - due 2014-06-30 [1]
14:47:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-irc#T13-26-55
14:47:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to look into XLIFF2 validation using the oasis svn truck [2]
14:47:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-irc#T13-38-59
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