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14:44:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:44:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
14:44:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:44:37 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2014
14:45:32 <Joshue> agenda +  Draft responses for March 11th, 2014
14:45:32 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11thMarch_2014/
14:45:52 <Joshue> agenda + Review WCAG errata (http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/)
14:46:01 <Joshue> agenda + Review available techniques (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments)
14:46:08 <Joshue> agenda + Call for collecting information published by others on WCAG 2.0 related to concerns or needed improvements
14:46:24 <Joshue> agenda + Publication Update
14:48:42 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
14:49:43 <Joshue> regrets + Kathleen, Bruce, Adam Z, DavidMacD
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14:55:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:55:35 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
14:55:35 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
14:56:05 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
14:56:05 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
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14:57:09 <AWK> zakim, what meeting is this?
14:57:09 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
14:57:42 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:57:49 <AWK> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:57:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Katie_Haritos-Shea
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14:58:00 <Joshue> ack me
14:58:15 <AWK> Chair: Joshue
14:58:26 <Zakim> +AWK
14:58:46 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:58:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Katie_Haritos-Shea, AWK
14:58:50 <BarryJohnson> Sorry, no phone today, but will follow IRC Chat
14:59:05 <Zakim> +jon_avila
14:59:52 <AWK> regrets+ Bruce Bailey, Kerstin Probiesch, Kathleen Anderson
15:00:15 <AWK> zakim, agenda?
15:00:15 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aaaa
15:00:15 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:00:15 <Zakim> 1. Draft responses for March 11th, 2014 [from Joshue]
15:00:15 <Zakim> 2. Review WCAG errata (http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/) [from Joshue]
15:00:15 <Zakim> 3. Review available techniques (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments) [from Joshue]
15:00:15 <Zakim> 4. Call for collecting information published by others on WCAG 2.0 related to concerns or needed improvements [from Joshue]
15:00:16 <Zakim> 5. Publication Update [from Joshue]
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15:00:57 <AWK> Zakim, agenda order is 2,3,4,5,1
15:00:57 <Zakim> ok, AWK
15:01:04 <AWK> zakim, agenda?
15:01:05 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:01:05 <Zakim> 2. Review WCAG errata (http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/) [from Joshue]
15:01:05 <Zakim> 3. Review available techniques (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments) [from Joshue]
15:01:05 <Zakim> 4. Call for collecting information published by others on WCAG 2.0 related to concerns or needed improvements [from Joshue]
15:01:06 <Zakim> 5. Publication Update [from Joshue]
15:01:06 <Zakim> 1. Draft responses for March 11th, 2014 [from Joshue]
15:01:19 <Zakim> + +1.703.825.aabb
15:01:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:45 <adam_solomon> zakim, [IPcaller] is adam_solomon
15:01:45 <Zakim> +adam_solomon; got it
15:01:59 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Katie_Haritos-Shea, AWK, jon_avila, +31.30.239.aaaa, +1.703.825.aabb, adam_solomon
15:02:12 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:02:13 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:02:26 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:02:29 <Joshue> zakim, +31 is Wilco
15:02:29 <Zakim> +Wilco; got it
15:02:47 <Joshue> zakim, +1.703 is Sailesh
15:02:47 <Zakim> +Sailesh; got it
15:02:53 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
15:03:05 <AWK> Zakim, agenda order is 5,2,3,4,1
15:03:05 <Zakim> ok, AWK
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15:04:18 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:07:33 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 1
15:07:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Draft responses for March 11th, 2014" taken up [from Joshue]
15:07:53 <Joshue> zakim, first item
15:07:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'first item', Joshue
15:07:58 <Joshue> zakim, take up first item
15:07:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up first item', Joshue
15:08:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:08 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 5
15:08:08 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Publication Update" taken up [from Joshue]
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15:09:06 <JF> zakim, who is here?
15:09:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Katie_Haritos-Shea, AWK, jon_avila, Wilco, Sailesh, adam_solomon, John_Foliot, Kathy_Wahlbin, [IPcaller]
15:09:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Loretta, Kathy, JF, adam_solomon, BarryJohnson, jon_avila, AWK, Wilco, Zakim, RRSAgent, Joshue, wilhelm, trackbot, MichaelC
15:09:17 <jon_avila> jo: publication update release of WCAG supporting documents
15:09:18 <Loretta> Congratulations, Josh and Andrew!
15:09:38 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/blog/2014/03/wcag-techniques-for-image-text-alternatives/
15:09:40 <JF> zakim, [IPcaller] is Loretta
15:09:41 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
15:09:44 <jon_avila> Awk: two blog posts for ARIA10 and F65, read and point people to
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15:09:59 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:10:15 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:10:15 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:10:31 <jon_avila> awk: new set of documents for techniques that are available and highlights that make it significant, ARIA techniques, and switch over to Github
15:11:16 <AWK> Zakim, take up next item
15:11:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review WCAG errata (http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/)" taken up [from Joshue]
15:11:28 <jon_avila> jo: good job everyone; updated documents; brilliant, thanks awk
15:12:05 <jon_avila> jo: hae some errata to review, no substantive, some editorial; survey working groups to deal with them
15:12:45 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:12:45 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:12:46 <jon_avila> awk: already surveyed and approved by working group; just wanted to mention to people and review; can publish edited version of WCAG 2 standard; escalate awareness
15:12:57 <Joshue> s/survey working groups to deal with them/
15:13:32 <Joshue> KHS: Are we going to go into errata stuff now?
15:13:52 <jon_avila> khs: possibility of moving high contrast to level A
15:14:21 <jon_avila> jo: that would be substantial; 9 items in link provided
15:14:48 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/
15:14:50 <jon_avila> khs: important to talk about contrast
15:15:45 <jon_avila> jo: Errata 1 - 1.1.1 - any objections to proposed?
15:16:43 <jon_avila> awk: not trying to get all of them re-approved; want people to be familiar to respond from an informed perspective
15:16:56 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:16:56 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:17:09 <Loretta> Looks fine to me.
15:17:17 <AWK> JO: gives group a minute to review errata items 1-9
15:17:31 <Joshue> ack me
15:18:32 <JF> +1 to the Errata stuff - looks good, bravo
15:18:32 <jon_avila> jo: ok, editorial changes only; moving on.
15:18:37 <AWK> Zakim, take up next item
15:18:37 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review available techniques (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments)" taken up [from Joshue]
15:21:22 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:21:22 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:21:30 <jon_avila> awk: tables used for techniques editing on wiki; techniques task force made list and progress to date; integrated in table
15:22:12 <JF> Q+
15:22:27 <jon_avila> awk: Names are already assigned to some techniques; some people may need to take on something not complete or assigned to person that is not currently active on TF
15:22:59 <jon_avila> awk: question on firmness of names assigned to techniques;
15:23:28 <jon_avila> ka: techniques can be re-assigned to different people
15:24:29 <jon_avila> awk: Techniques TF be group that can help when we get stuck; figure out process; each row has technique; who assigned to; prioritization -- TBD; general items within a technique
15:24:31 <marcjohlic> q+
15:24:32 <Joshue> ack me
15:25:05 <jon_avila> awk: Space for original technique if modified; awk to add column for comment -- the idea is to give us a dashboard for tracking where we are at.
15:25:32 <jon_avila> awk: add to survey once items are complete to find out how WG wants to respond.
15:25:39 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:25:39 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:26:09 <jon_avila> awk: some new techniques, some modifications, ask everyone to sign up for two or three of these.  If you have idea for a new one, feel free to add one.
15:26:27 <Joshue> ack me
15:27:00 <JF> ack JF
15:27:00 <jon_avila> jo: if new tech -- ping awk or JO or list, leave editing table to AWK or JO
15:27:59 <jon_avila> jf: where do code examples and test procedures live?  I'm trying to get hack-a-thon done at CSUN - could write on Saturday.
15:28:21 <Zakim> +??P31
15:28:35 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P31 is Michael_Cooper
15:28:35 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
15:28:36 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:28:36 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:28:51 <jon_avila> awk: additional instructions for where to write them to come - some are authored in wiki -- directly as links initially authored in wiki (goal to make it clear that author them in Github)
15:29:35 <jon_avila> awk: techniques to be pull requests in github to allow for less editing.  Currently have a source format -- could be more user friendly -- one goal at f2f to reformat for editing.
15:30:11 <Joshue> ack me
15:30:35 <jon_avila> jf: request awk to put github info on wiki page; JF to grab some of these cases.
15:30:44 <Joshue> ack marc
15:30:55 <AWK> ACTION: AWK to remember to not forget to update the https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments page with how-to information
15:30:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Remember to not forget to update the https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/working_group_techniques_development_assignments page with how-to information [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2014-03-18].
15:31:16 <Joshue> ACTION: Josh to update WG techs wiki with general how to info.
15:31:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Update wg techs wiki with general how to info. [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-03-18].
15:31:43 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:31:43 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:32:04 <jon_avila> marc: question on how to find links for wiki pages
15:32:32 <jon_avila> zakim, who is speaking
15:32:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', jon_avila
15:32:36 <Joshue> ack me
15:32:50 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
15:34:08 <Kathy> I added my name to a few of them
15:34:25 <Kathy> q+
15:34:28 <jon_avila> jo: ask for people to take some techniques
15:34:50 <Loretta> q+
15:35:02 <Kathy> q-
15:35:51 <Joshue> ack kathy
15:35:55 <Loretta> q-
15:35:56 <Joshue> ack Lor
15:36:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/11-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
15:36:28 <jon_avila> kw:  should we include techniques in mobile task force?
15:36:54 <jon_avila> jo: question to discuss on how we define relationships, awk?
15:37:11 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:37:11 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:37:55 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:38:19 <jon_avila> awk: talk about mobile techniques- no answer yet.
15:38:36 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:38:36 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:38:38 <Joshue> +q
15:38:38 <jon_avila> kw: Mobile TF talking about new techniques and changes to techniques -- it will get complex
15:38:46 <Joshue> ack me
15:39:36 <jon_avila> jo: definitely be a mobile component -- error on the side of not creating really long document
15:40:01 <MichaelC> q+
15:40:03 <jon_avila> kw: provide link to mobile page from techniques to see what each task force is working on
15:40:10 <MichaelC> ack me
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15:40:23 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/11-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:40:42 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:40:42 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:41:09 <jon_avila> mc: create links to the work of each TF's techniques they are currently working on.
15:42:05 <Zakim> -Sailesh
15:42:48 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments
15:43:43 <jon_avila> jo: complete list at f2f - try to get people to comment on list
15:44:00 <jon_avila> jf: send out note to list to get people to respond and then action item for f2f
15:44:03 <AWK> AWK will send a reminder to the list that everyone should sign up for 2-3 techniques before next week.
15:45:01 <jon_avila> jo: people can cooperate on techniques, thanks to awk for putting it together.
15:45:03 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:45:03 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
15:45:04 <Zakim> 3. Review available techniques (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments) [from Joshue]
15:45:04 <Zakim> 4. Call for collecting information published by others on WCAG 2.0 related to concerns or needed improvements [from Joshue]
15:45:04 <Zakim> 1. Draft responses for March 11th, 2014 [from Joshue]
15:45:38 <Joshue> zakim, next item
15:45:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Call for collecting information published by others on WCAG 2.0 related to concerns or needed improvements" taken up [from Joshue]
15:45:44 <jon_avila> awk: f2f will address how to write good techniques to allow people to get through process to get WG approval - Loretta is excellent guide on this topic.
15:46:19 <jon_avila> jo: next item is to get other info people have published on wcag - aggregate overviews, comments, thoughts, etc. on what's right and wrong.
15:46:59 <AWK> If people know about a blog post/article/etc on this topic please add to https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2
15:47:40 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:47:40 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:47:57 <Joshue> ack me
15:48:04 <jon_avila> awk: talk about post wcag page - need to collection of all comments, please put on the wiki page just shared on irc
15:48:49 <Joshue> zakim, next item
15:48:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Draft responses for March 11th, 2014" taken up [from Joshue]
15:48:56 <jon_avila> jo: any comments or questions about current topic? None heard.
15:49:16 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11thMarch_2014/results
15:50:11 <jon_avila> jo: lc2882 discussed comments from survey
15:50:51 <jon_avila> jo: any objection to adding Loretta's suggested text?
15:51:03 <jon_avila> awk: we already accepted last week, can be edited
15:51:31 <jon_avila> jo: this is a clarification on what something means to be deprecated?
15:52:15 <jon_avila> jo: Accept LC2882 - no objections
15:53:21 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:53:34 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:53:34 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:54:44 <jon_avila> as: was not strong enough for keyboard users?
15:54:54 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H69.html
15:56:00 <Joshue> LC-2882: Add a warning about the poor support for this technique h69
15:56:27 <AWK> s/LC-2882: Add a warning about the poor support for this technique h69/TOPIC: LC-2882: Add a warning about the poor support for this technique h69
15:56:47 <jon_avila> as: lc2882 text ok
15:57:59 <AWK> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
15:58:53 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
15:59:22 <AWK> TOPIC: Comment LC-2884: This technique should be generalized h90
15:59:44 <jon_avila> jo: discussion of survey results for lc2884
16:01:16 <jon_avila> awk: incorporate option 2 as proposed amended - could add additional technique h90
16:01:52 <jon_avila> jo: can all see awk's updated text in survey? Maybe to long. Any objection?
16:02:33 <jon_avila> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
16:02:53 <jon_avila> jo: lc2877 discussion
16:02:57 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2877
16:04:04 <AWK> s/jo: lc2877 discussion/TOPIC: Comment LC-2877: The technique should mention input type = file
16:04:33 <Wilco> q+
16:04:45 <jon_avila> lgr: could leave open to get input from Cynthia
16:05:20 <jon_avila> lgr: no need to contact Cynthia
16:06:01 <jon_avila> jo: genuine oversight -
16:06:39 <AWK> ack w
16:06:54 <jon_avila> awk: could respond and ask for example -- we agree we can do this and assigned to someone on techniques development list
16:07:49 <Wilco> q-
16:07:50 <jon_avila> awk: need to process in due course and respond to it publically
16:08:02 <jon_avila> RESOLUTION: leave open
16:08:19 <jon_avila> jo: lc2905 discussion
16:08:24 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2905
16:08:48 <AWK> TOPIC: Comment LC-2905: Techniques F17 procedure #1 and F77 both check for duplicate ID values (#15)
16:09:49 <AWK> q+
16:09:54 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F17.html
16:09:58 <Joshue> ack awk
16:10:32 <jon_avila> awk:  several comments are on f17 - general consensus is that editing needs to be done.
16:11:06 <jon_avila> awk: perhaps leave open and have one person take action on editing F17 and integrating what is in F77 if people agree these are redundant
16:11:18 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F77.html
16:12:39 <jon_avila> awk: comments 5, 6 and 8 are related
16:12:56 <jon_avila> jo: Need someone to look through and aggregate comments and create new language?
16:13:04 <Zakim> -adam_solomon
16:14:07 <jon_avila> lgr: Adam would be good candidate, could contact to see if he is willing?
16:14:20 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
16:14:25 <Zakim> -AWK
16:14:29 <jon_avila> q+
16:14:56 <Joshue> ack jon
16:15:14 <Joshue> JA: I was looking through the techniques. They are inconsistent.
16:15:41 <Joshue> JA: They say if x situation is true and false - the logic methods are not consistent.
16:15:46 <Joshue> JOC: I've noticed this too.
16:16:22 <Joshue> JA: Should we lean towards one particular method?
16:16:31 <jon_avila> ja: checks logic structure were inconsistent in general
16:16:35 <Joshue> JOC: +1 to consistent logic method
16:17:02 <jon_avila> lgr: check were written over time and by different people and our work evolved over time - sometimes it hard to phrase things in a certain way
16:18:34 <jon_avila> jo: in replying to these comments should we have Adam review 5,6, and 8, then them review
16:19:45 <jon_avila> RESOLUTION: 2907, 2904, 2880 leave open
16:19:46 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:20:04 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:20:16 <jon_avila> jo: lc2879 for discussion - comment 7
16:20:17 <Joshue> LC-2879: Move the logic away from How to meet and into the technique
16:20:22 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2879
16:21:23 <jon_avila> awk: provide comment saying it's implemented -- it will be in github but it won't be on active page
16:21:46 <jon_avila> awk: until next publication
16:22:25 <jon_avila> lgr: should go through understanding document that use language "in combination" and fix them all with appropriate reference.
16:22:58 <jon_avila> awk: we can accept response but changes won't be seen until next publication - whole bunch of small editorial changes.
16:23:19 <jon_avila> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
16:23:26 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:23:26 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:24:05 <Zakim> -Cooper
16:24:13 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:24:14 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:24:46 <jon_avila> rrsagent, list attendeees
16:24:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendeees', jon_avila.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:24:56 <jon_avila> zakim, list attendeees
16:24:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendeees', jon_avila
16:25:03 <jon_avila> zakim, list attendees
16:25:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, Katie_Haritos-Shea, AWK, jon_avila, +31.30.239.aaaa, +1.703.825.aabb, adam_solomon, John_Foliot, Wilco, Sailesh, Kathy_Wahlbin,
16:25:06 <Zakim> ... Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Michael_Cooper, James_Nurthen, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cooper
16:25:11 <jon_avila> zakim, bye
16:25:11 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joshue, Katie_Haritos-Shea, AWK, jon_avila, +31.30.239.aaaa, +1.703.825.aabb, adam_solomon, John_Foliot, Wilco, Sailesh,
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16:25:23 <jon_avila> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:25:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/11-wai-wcag-minutes.html jon_avila
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