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20:00:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
20:00:36 <trackbot> Date: 05 March 2014
20:01:49 <tobint> present+ tobint
20:01:56 <tobint> present+ JatinderMann
20:02:08 <tobint> present+ Puneet
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20:04:18 <plh> zakim, this is per
20:04:18 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per()3:00PM
20:04:47 <plh> zakim, passcode?
20:04:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 97373 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), plh
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20:05:36 <tobint> present+ plh
20:07:49 <plh> https://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/agenda
20:07:54 <tobint> topic: Open Actions
20:08:58 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action item 73 looks like beacon - can we close
20:09:04 <plh> close action-73
20:09:04 <trackbot> Closed action-73.
20:09:20 <plh> action-97?
20:09:20 <trackbot> action-97 -- Tony Gentilcore to Check with Adam Barth on Memory Leak API -- due 2012-09-30 -- OPEN
20:09:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/97
20:10:04 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action Item 97. We've talked about this a number of times, but we likely should close this for now. We can come back to it later.
20:10:24 <tobint> plh: There are some security issues here for now. I agree we should close.
20:10:33 <tobint> close action-97
20:10:33 <trackbot> Closed action-97.
20:11:30 <tobint> JatinderMann: This one keeps coming up. Should we close or open?
20:11:55 <tobint> plh: We should likely lean toward keeping them open if we are not sure. We can follow up with the owner.
20:12:46 <tobint> JatinderMann: You can switch between networks very rapidly (LTE, 3G, WiFi). You may check one network, but quickly end up on another network. Let's follow up with Alois.
20:12:56 <tobint> plh: I agree. Let's check with Alois.
20:13:37 <tobint> Puneet: Someone suggested that we should look at bytes transfered.
20:14:15 <tobint> plh: Bytes transfered can change from one moment to the next as well. Maybe people should use information in resource timings.
20:14:35 <tobint> JatinderMann: we talked about adding byte information to resource timing, but I don't think we've done that yet.
20:16:35 <tobint> JatinderMann: Regarding Action 104: Resource Timing 1 doesn't include information for audio or video elements because they come down in chunks.
20:17:21 <tobint> plh: Do we add XHR to resource timing? If so we should consider adding this.
20:17:30 <tobint> JatinderMann: We do.
20:17:54 <tobint> Jatinder: We should get this on the agenda at some point soon.
20:18:11 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action 106. This one is on plh.
20:18:36 <tobint> plh: I haven't done this yet.
20:18:53 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-111 onward are from TPAC
20:19:04 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-111: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/111
20:19:38 <tobint> JatinderMann: We decided to not have a limit and wait for implimentation. We should probably keep this open so we know it's still an issue.
20:20:03 <tobint> plh: We could close the action and open an issue.
20:20:43 <tobint> JatinderMann: Let's document that. Close the action item and open an issue.
20:20:55 <tobint> plh: you can close the action item, I am looking at creating an issue.
20:21:07 <tobint> close action-111
20:21:07 <trackbot> Closed action-111.
20:21:25 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-112: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/112
20:22:20 <tobint> JatinderMann: We should get it into a spec and get some more people looking at it for feedback.
20:22:44 <tobint> JatinderMann: Let's keep it open until ig gets it into a spec. Let's assign this one to Ilya
20:23:44 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-113 should be done, but tobint will follow up to verify.  http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/113
20:23:54 <tobint> tobint: will do.
20:24:30 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-116. http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/116
20:25:06 <tobint> JatinderMann: We might want a security review on this one. Can we do detailed error logging securely.
20:25:19 <tobint> JatinderMann: Is there someone from w3c that we can loop in for a review?
20:25:27 <tobint> plh: I have a name but I need to double check.
20:26:24 <tobint> JatinderMann: Let's update the spec to do basic error logging and see if we can do detailed error logging later.
20:26:39 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action item 117 http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/117
20:26:50 <tobint> JatinderMann: Let's leave this one open.
20:27:05 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-118: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/118
20:27:39 <tobint> JatinderMann: plh will ping Mark tomorrow
20:27:48 <tobint> plh: I'll do that tomorrow.
20:28:03 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-119: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/119
20:28:20 <tobint> JatdinerMann: This one is on tobin. We discussed this at TPAC.
20:29:13 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-120, 121, 122: Sounds like JavaScript injection thing.
20:29:33 <tobint> JatinderMann: Let's ping Arvind on this. Tobin and I will follow up with Microsoft people.
20:29:45 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-123: That's on Arvind. We should ping him on that.
20:30:02 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-125: I think mark has already done this. We should take his proposal and update the spec.
20:30:17 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0090.html
20:30:17 <tobint> plh: Agree.
20:30:30 <tobint> JatinderMann: We should put this on tobin to get him to update the spec.
20:31:22 <tobint> JatinderMann: We might want a little more clarification. What does SDPY return today. Perhaps some examples of what we want.
20:31:29 <tobint> plh: I think we talked about this in the past.
20:31:49 <tobint> JatinderMann: Yes. We did. We will look into this and get back to the wg.
20:32:01 <tobint> JatinderMann: Action-126 still open - assign to tobin
20:32:12 <tobint> plh: Didn't we agree to drop postpone and go after lazyload.
20:32:23 <tobint> plh: I think that was what we discussed at TPAC
20:32:36 <tobint> JatinderMann: I think you're right. We should review TPAC notes to verify.
20:33:13 <tobint> JatinderMann: I think we said we should drop postpone for now and kill the CSS property.
20:33:31 <tobint> plh: We should update the action item title to match
20:34:03 <tobint> JatinderMann: We should open an action item to remove postpone from resource priorities.
20:34:21 <tobint> JatinderMann: That brings us up to date on TPAC. Will likely want to open more action items.
20:34:49 <plh> https://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/agenda
20:36:05 <plh> close issue-8
20:36:05 <trackbot> Closed issue-8.
20:36:08 <tobint> JatinderMann: We can likely close Issue-8
20:36:13 <tobint> plh: Agreed.
20:36:37 <tobint> plh: Close issue 10
20:36:40 <tobint> JatinderMann: Agreed
20:36:54 <tobint> close issue-10
20:36:54 <trackbot> Closed issue-10.
20:37:08 <tobint> JatinderMann: Issue-11 should be closed
20:37:11 <tobint> close issue-11
20:37:11 <trackbot> Closed issue-11.
20:37:22 <tobint> plh: agreed
20:38:57 <tobint> plh: Add DOM events with high res time to agenda for next week
20:39:41 <plh> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Performance/Publications
20:39:43 <tobint> JatinderMann: we should do all of our work out of the action tracker: https://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/agenda
20:39:51 <tobint> plh: Agreed.
20:41:31 <tobint> plh: requestanimationframe need test cases to move spec from CR to PR
20:41:51 <tobint> JatinderMann: We need to start a new push to get tests for these.
20:42:03 <tobint> JatinderMann: we should probably send out a mail.
20:42:50 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues?labels=wg-webperf
20:43:03 <tobint> plh: Yes. Here is a link which is useful for us to help us track test needs: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues?labels=wg-webperf
20:43:27 <tobint> plh: Two of them are from Microsoft.
20:44:40 <tobint> JatinderMann: once we get the tests, I think this can get us moved forward
20:48:54 <tobint> Topic: Web Performance Guidance
20:49:10 <tobint> plh: We should put a template together to allow us to build web performance guidance.
20:49:32 <tobint> tobint: I'd love to help. I'm busy, as I'm sure others are, but am happy to help.
20:50:10 <tobint> JatinderMann: I think it would be cool. Today we solve a bunch of problems and our APIs try to help solve a lot of these perf-related issues.
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20:51:20 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:51:23 <Zakim> -plh
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20:51:24 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.408.349.aaaa, plh
20:51:42 <tobint> rrsagent, generate minutes
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