09:04:44 RRSAgent has joined #lgd 09:04:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-irc 09:05:07 rrsagent. make logs public 09:05:09 raphael has joined #lgd 09:05:53 scribenick: raphael 09:05:56 scribe: nick 09:06:14 topic: Working With Standards 09:06:16 RRSAgent, make logs public 09:06:20 giusepperizzo has joined #lgd 09:07:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html raphael 09:07:43 scribe: raphael 09:07:50 scribenick: raphael 09:08:15 Meeting: W3C Linking Geospatial Data Workshop Day 1 09:08:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html raphael 09:08:21 giusepperizzo1 has joined #lgd 09:08:39 giusepperizzo1 has left #lgd 09:08:45 Chair: Phil Archer 09:08:57 giusepperizzo has joined #lgd 09:17:24 PeterRushforth has joined #lgd 09:19:49 Stuart has joined #lgd 09:20:07 boricles has joined #lgd 09:20:23 AndyS has joined #lgd 09:20:25 Phil Archer is doing the opening of the W3C Linking Geospatial Data Workshop 09:20:31 ... room is fully packed 09:20:53 PeterParslow has joined #lgd 09:21:00 icm has joined #lgd 09:22:20 Alex_Coley has joined #lgd 09:24:40 First session is chaired by John Goodwin 09:24:44 Clemens Portele (Texas Instrument): Using INSPIRE data on the Web 09:24:52 laurent_oz has joined #lgd 09:25:22 s/Clemens Portele (Texas Instrument): Using INSPIRE data on the Web/Clemens Portele (Interactive Instruments): Using INSPIRE data on the Web 09:25:38 ... background: ELF = European Location Framework 09:25:51 isedwards has joined #lgd 09:26:09 ... ELF: http://www.elfproject.eu/ 09:26:18 cperey has joined #lgd 09:26:24 isedwards has joined #lgd 09:26:55 ... where are we with respect to INSPIRE data? 09:27:03 ... INSPIRE Geoportal: http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/ 09:27:54 ... click on the Discovery link, and browse the catalog of datasets for download 09:28:14 ... problem: linking mismatch 09:28:33 Alejandro_Llaves has joined #lgd 09:28:41 ldodds has joined #lgd 09:28:45 hugh has joined #lgd 09:28:57 INSPIRE about providing the geography, different domains of interest then add/link to it 09:29:02 herste has joined #lgd 09:29:05 ... in scope are the widely used spatial objects such as cadastral parcels, addresses, CRS, etc. 09:29:20 AndreaP has joined #lgd 09:29:32 ... need for an agreed common base of objects 09:29:57 ... how to access to features via http? 09:29:59 edp has joined #lgd 09:30:03 jtandy has joined #lgd 09:30:24 ... ELF provides access to data in more than one platform, including ArcGIS Online 09:30:49 TimDuffy has joined #lgd 09:30:56 ManoMarks has joined #lgd 09:30:56 ... example of an administrative unit description in HTML or JSON 09:31:28 ... example of a Gazeteer geolocator web service 09:31:39 libby has joined #lgd 09:31:40 ... next problem is persistent identifiers 09:31:53 Gobe__Envitia_ has joined #lgd 09:31:55 ... this is a recognized problem in INSPIRE, which provide INSPIRE IDs 09:32:19 ... on the web, those IDs should be http URIs 09:33:20 ... how to deal with copies? copies of the same feature (e.g. an administrative unit) exist, which URI should be used for the consolidation? 09:33:20 And has joined #lgd 09:33:47 So there's a challenge - multiple URIs for same thing 09:33:51 rhwarren has joined #lgd 09:33:58 ... implicit links: example of Eurostats stats that use NUTS code, but this is not obvious 09:34:18 edp has left #lgd 09:34:26 ... system use lat/long and address, but not NUTS code, how can we change this? 09:34:48 Looks as if CSV on the Web work could be relevant here 09:35:00 (for NUTS codes) 09:35:07 eparsons has joined #lgd 09:35:54 Kerry Taylor: Developing Ontologies for Linked Geospatial Data 09:36:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html raphael 09:36:54 chobbs has joined #lgd 09:37:38 Kerry: a tale of two ontologies - ACORN-SAT (long term climate data accessible via data.gov.au) and ad-how modeling the water regulations 2008 (report of water data) 09:37:56 robbejoe has joined #lgd 09:38:34 jhigman has joined #lgd 09:38:46 vicchi has joined #lgd 09:38:50 PhilA - sameas.org? :-) http://www.sameas.org/?uri=http://viaf.org/viaf/85312226 09:39:07 ... ARCON-SAT: 100 year climate observations, 61 million RDF triples, station metadata included, 5 stars Linked Data 09:39:40 I had a feeling you'd mention that hugh :-) 09:39:47 ... ontology used are W3C SSN ontology, W3C datacube vocabulary and Geonames for places 09:40:00 And don't forget different is (more) important? http://differentfrom.org/os/symbols/http%3A%2F%2Fdata.ordnancesurvey.co.uk%2Fid%2F7000000000003822 09:40:23 Would be interesting to hear experiences on using GeoNames as a single place source - over coffee though 09:41:06 cperey_ has joined #lgd 09:41:09 ... another picture of the ontology showing how SSN and DataCube are articulated in the model 09:41:10 lindavandenbrink has joined #lgd 09:41:40 ... work performed by 6 person months (from CSV to 5 stars open linked data) 09:41:46 jtandy has joined #lgd 09:41:58 ... ELDA is used as the linked data api for browsing the data 09:42:33 chrishenden has joined #lgd 09:42:34 ... WDTF ontology (water ontology, adhoc project) 09:42:50 AdamL has joined #lgd 09:43:06 ... WDTF is an XML format developed to capture water data, broadly adopted in Australian industry 09:43:13 ... goal was to translate the UML into OWL 09:43:50 ocorcho has joined #lgd 09:43:58 ... there is WaterML 2.0 standardized by OGC, see http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/groups/waterml2.0swg 09:44:52 ... model driven architecture approach, is it good to translate this UML model in a set of ontologies? 09:46:10 ... end up developing WDTF OWL which does owl:import Harmonized OWL ontologies from ISO/DIS 19150-2 rules 09:46:27 ... WaterML2.0 arose from WDTF 09:46:49 ... what went wrong? this took way too long and end up with a too complex ontology which is useless 09:47:04 very nice sentence Kerry ... too much semantics ... 09:47:07 ... too much semantics in the UML which is not properly captured in OWL 09:48:23 Lars G. Svensson: Enriching the German National Library’s Linked Data Service with Geographic Coordinates : Approach and Lessons Learned (so far) 09:48:33 peterisb has joined #lgd 09:50:05 ... the DNB has started to publish geospatial data 09:50:51 ... point coordinates and bounding boxes for maps and charts, and geographical entities (authorities) 09:51:17 You take the data that's easiest to use, says Lars 09:51:33 "you take the open data which is (most) easy to use" ... very valid point - ease of use over (potential) accuracy 09:51:49 ... the slides are at http://fr.slideshare.net/larsgsvensson/enriching-thegermannationallibraryslinkeddataservicewithgeographiccoordinates 09:52:23 ... the links between titles and places allows to find publications deadling with a specific location 09:53:15 ... for the RDF representation of those coordinates, we had 2 major requirements: same vocab for points and polygons, and a widely deployed vocab 09:53:37 ... decision was to use GeoSPARQL, and the WKT representation for the polygons 09:53:38 I wonder why they didn't link to external sources, rather than include the data directly? 09:54:37 @ldodds, because they have the data, which might be different that what you include, they want to be an authority too 09:54:53 "GeoSPARQL was chosen, it may have been the wrong choice" <- will be interesting to hear the thinking behind that 09:55:35 Unclear whether to use longitude-latitude or latitude-longitude. 09:55:42 ... the Linked Data Service of the German National Library is available at http://www.dnb.de/EN/lds.html 09:56:25 +1 to ldodds question 09:56:42 Question and Answer 09:56:42 lon lat or lat lon - axis orientation 09:57:21 Andreas Harth: is it possible to have access to the catalog data rather than browsing the HTML interface? 09:57:39 billroberts has joined #lgd 09:58:12 Clemens: not yet, licensing issue, but soon links will be provided on ELF 09:58:35 HadleyBeeman has joined #lgd 09:59:09 Kerry: bringing WaterML 2.0 in the OWL is a mistake if you do this as a literal translation 09:59:33 Leigh: why do you write the geo data rather than re-using existing data sources 09:59:47 Peter Parslow: Who has been using your LD? 09:59:47 Lars: we re-use Geonames too 10:00:15 Lars: places data is becoming increasingly important within the library 10:00:47 Stuart: Is there a geoSPARQL store endpoint or just GeoSPARQL data 10:00:53 Stuart: do you just use geosparql syntax or also a geosparql endpoint? 10:01:12 MichaelLutz 10:02:24 Michael and John: what about temporal evolution of administrative unit decomposition? 10:02:32 Phil: there is a session about that later 10:02:55 Phil: what was the reason for the failure to capture WaterML semantics? Was it an OWL failure? Do we need OWL 3? 10:02:59 RRSAgent, draft minutes 10:02:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html PhilA 10:03:04 Kerry: no, not a problem of OWL 10:03:32 Lars: we don't do CIDOC-CRM, very complex, hard to consume and we want to ease the linked data consumption 10:03:43 jtandy has joined #lgd 10:04:02 TitiRoman 10:04:21 Titi Roman: looking for best practices for publishing the data? 10:04:51 Lars: different models: bibframe, frbr, etc. so a choice needs to be make 10:05:08 Lars: for authorities, we made our own ontology 10:05:11 JMEV has joined #lgd 10:05:12 Is Pelagios relevant: for the previous Q? https://github.com/pelagios/pelagios-cookbook/wiki/Pelagios-Gazetteer-Interconnection-Format 10:06:20 there are some efforts on that direction ... http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/ 10:07:29 Stijn 10:07:32 Ah - found the group - worrying about temporal: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lod-gc 10:07:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html raphael 10:08:53 Titi Roman: how do you manage data quality in INSPIRE? 10:09:30 Clemens: this is clearly important 10:09:47 Mariano 10:09:48 Nope, not right - Leif Isaksen (leifuss@googlemail.com) is trying to get a UK group with temporal, but can't find it - I'll get back in my box :-) 10:14:32 Topic: Lightning Talks - Reference Data 10:15:12 Yeah - nice rt 10:15:37 Gianfra has joined #lgd 10:15:44 kostis has joined #lgd 10:15:50 hello 10:15:50 aharth has joined #lgd 10:15:52 Subtopic: Interoperable Registers and Registries in the EU: Perspectives from INSPIRE. Andrea Perego/Michael Lutz 10:15:54 scribe: HadleyBeeman 10:15:59 scribenick: hadleybeeman 10:16:01 Keith has joined #lgd 10:16:03 ClausStadler has joined #lgd 10:16:21 pduchesne has joined #lgd 10:17:03 pjc196 has joined #lgd 10:17:08 Lathoub has joined #lgd 10:17:20 Rein has joined #lgd 10:17:20 joeri_robbrecht has joined #lgd 10:17:24 AndreaP: Does everyone know about INSPIRE? Okay, no need for an introduction. 10:17:44 … We are dealing with the maintenance process, coordinated by a the INSPIRE implementation group. 10:18:54 Frans has joined #lgd 10:19:00 bert_ has joined #lgd 10:19:45 herste has joined #lgd 10:20:52 eparsons has joined #lgd 10:21:18 jtandy has joined #lgd 10:21:30 dennis_keck has joined #lgd 10:22:43 Alex_Coley has joined #LGD 10:22:52 PeterParslow has joined #lgd 10:24:11 vcp has joined #lgd 10:24:22 herste has joined #lgd 10:25:06 hello is there some live streaming? 10:26:24 no Gianfra, only those minutes 10:27:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html raphael 10:28:00 wpoates1 has joined #lgd 10:28:33 Diederik Tirry presents PIDS and RDF for INSPIRE 10:28:45 (late note for previous scribe: I was the one who asked what kinds of people are using the German library linked data) 10:29:05 jtandy has joined #lgd 10:29:09 herste has joined #lgd 10:29:27 PeterParslow: I will be shortly. Having a geometry to search with helps a lot. 10:29:32 thank you raphael 10:30:00 BillOates has joined #lgd 10:30:15 Diederik: Slides are informative of topic 10:30:31 lack of agreed rules how to create RDF vocabularies from UML models. 10:30:40 ... looking for guidance on URI construction for PIDs etc 10:30:48 HadleyBeeman has joined #lgd 10:31:55 ARENA = A Reusable INSPIRE Reference Platform, https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/are3na/description 10:33:04 … INSPIRE meant to be using UML models. Technical guideline for how to encode in GML, but no guidelines for how to encode them in RDF. 10:33:11 … So we are doing tht. 10:33:28 Related: issue of identifiers. Special databases, objects, code lists. 10:33:50 ClemensPortele has joined #lgd 10:33:53 … Help us build bridges from INSPIRE to eGov. Webinars, strategies for persistent identifiers. 10:34:00 chobbs has joined #lgd 10:34:00 pauljcripps has joined #lgd 10:34:18 subtopic: Q&A 10:34:26 lindavandenbrink has joined #lgd 10:35:02 subtopic: Research Data Alliance: Research Data Sharing without barriers. Herman Stehouwer, 10:35:24 Herman: I'm going to talk about the Research Data Alliance in general 10:35:59 … We're a worldwide organisation that tries to increase research data sharing. We do this in a small way, taking a small step that allows data to be shared that could be before. 10:36:23 dennis has joined #lgd 10:36:26 … We have working groups with a specific task and lifetime, who must deliver something. We have interest groups, which are more broad. 10:36:38 … We have 15 working groups and 27 interest groups. 10:36:56 … Some will deliver stuff by the end of this year. We'll have our 4th official conference, we will have existed for two years. 10:37:37 … One group is working on a common layer on top of persistent identifiers where you can put in formation in a standardised way. 10:37:51 … There is a Data type registries group, that wants to describe data. 10:37:57 … There is a metadata standards directory 10:38:01 Bart_De_Lathouwer has joined #lgd 10:38:21 … There is a group on terminology of interest within the RDA. 10:38:32 … I wanted to highlight the citation of dynamic data. 10:38:54 … EPOS are dealing with data which is constantly changing, and they want to be able to cite their own data at a specific time or decision point. 10:39:20 … The data is gappy, it goes continuously, they may need to recalibrate a sensor, a goat may eat a cable, etc. 10:39:32 clemens has joined #lgd 10:39:40 AndreaPerego has joined #lgd 10:39:43 …. You can participate in upcoming plenaries. Upcoming one in Dublin at end of the month, in Amsterdam in end of the year. Discussions are mostly online. 10:39:51 … You can join or start a group. 10:39:59 ClemensPortele has left #lgd 10:40:23 Subtopic: Oceans of Linked Data? Adam Leadbetter 10:40:52 Diederik_Tirry has joined #lgd 10:40:52 Angelica has joined #lgd 10:41:34 svensson has joined #lgd 10:42:06 AdamL: Social sharing of data and linking data and registries: come together in linking oceanagraphic data here. 10:42:41 … Re social aspects: if you put scientists together in a tin can for a long time, they will share data. 10:42:55 … Oceanography is expensive, encourages data sharing. 10:43:18 … You want to reuse existing data as much as possible. 10:43:26 RDA: some of us are working on linking LOD (government level usually summary) to research data (usually held in database environment with detailed schema-level metadata). The EC ENGAGE project is making this bridge 10:43:30 … Even back to 1987, we had registers of controlled vocabularies. 10:43:42 … Here is a book of them, published by UNESCO 10:43:44 svensson has left #lgd 10:43:54 svensson has joined #lgd 10:44:08 … We've grown those base vocabularies and put them on the web. Initially in CSV, now they're online in SKOS. 10:44:29 … Recently, W3C has published guidelines on linked data. These vocabs fit nicely with those. 10:44:40 cyrubattino has joined #lgd 10:44:58 … We've built up trust in the community by having these be online, persistent, version-controlled, and understanding how they're being used. 10:45:07 LarsG has joined #lgd 10:45:31 … Internet of Things: this is a robot vessel in the ocean. As we're building new standards for these sensors, we're looking at embedding semantics in them. 10:45:41 … Mark-up/annotation from the moment the data is captured. 10:46:02 Stuart has joined #lgd 10:46:43 … Most of our registers are of parameters in the data, but we do have a few that are geospatial. We have a gazetter of sea areas (as mentioned in the BBC Shipping Forecast). We have bounding boxes for them. 10:47:04 … Heading to data management questions. Can ask the ship operators what tools were deployed, who to contact, etc. 10:47:23 … Marine Strategy Framework Directive in Europe, reporting on chemicals in the seas. 10:47:53 … We need to link these things spatially, rather than just recording what and how. 10:48:04 subtopic: Q&A 10:48:42 Question: Re SKOS vocabularies in the oceanography: they are in SKOS RDF? 10:48:46 Reply: yes 10:49:11 Question: Are we looking for relationships between specifications? (In RDF vocabularies) 10:49:56 Reply: That's part of the study. We will see. In the end, we want to provide guidelines. 10:50:45 Question: Jeremy Tandy: INSPIRE implementations often talk about the document object, not the real-world thing itself. Has there been any thought on how to reconcile them? 10:51:12 How to convert INSPIRE dataspecs into RDF. A RDF model for every dataspec or an integrated model for all INSPIRE annex thematic datasets? 10:51:25 Reply: INSPIRE was not meant for that. 10:51:41 … At this moment, I don't have an answer that. I hope that in may we'll have more guidance. 10:51:50 Janderl has joined #lgd 10:52:18 Question: ??? 10:53:13 Question: PhilA: Is it hard to come up with URIs for versions? At W3C, we have the latest version URI, and every document has its own URI. Each iteration has its own URI. You can add language tags. Why is this a problem? How does content negotiation help/hinder? 10:53:55 AndreaPerego: ???\ 10:54:07 … For the technical part, you have to find a way that isn't increasing the complexity. 10:54:14 Frans_Knibbe has joined #lgd 10:55:07 Question: If you have a code list in the registry, and you use that code in some value. Then the decision to update that value creates a new element in the code list in the registry. 10:55:30 … You have to make aware people using the registry that something has changed. 10:56:54 Herman: Where data has observations made on a certain date — a persistent identifier will give you just the more recent version. But it gets more stable over time. 10:57:09 ManoMarks has joined #lgd 10:57:45 AdamL: We iterated on this problem, settled on the persistent identifier pointing to the most current version. Painful process. 10:58:15 … but there is a social aspect, trust on what you're providing and how people are using it. If you deprecate - can cause problems. 10:58:48 Question: Have any of you used a versioning or provenance ontology to describe versioning of data? 10:59:27 AdamL: We version version tags to explain the concepts in the register, but we dont' have full provenance info. We should look at that in the next year. 11:00:05 Andrea: Depends on what you have to do. Provenance would be good. 11:00:13 jtandy has joined #lgd 11:00:42 Question: to AdamL: a geodetic reference is needed in what your'e doing, isn't it? 11:00:55 AdamL: Yes, we do store it. It's in GS84. 11:01:23 SpatialRed has joined #lgd 11:01:26 … Time is as important in the ocean as space and depth. Every measurement is the one capture of that x/y/z/t of that specific parameter. 11:01:39 … We don't have a data lifecycle because we don't ever get rid of anything. 11:01:50 Alex_Coley has joined #lgd 11:02:08 … Traditionally, we've been thinking of other aspects of the data. 11:12:44 vicchi has joined #lgd 11:21:30 laurent_oz has joined #lgd 11:23:29 ManoMarks has joined #lgd 11:24:13 Angelica has joined #lgd 11:31:52 Stuart has joined #lgd 11:31:59 scribenick Stuart 11:32:14 HadleyBeeman has joined #lgd 11:32:21 eparsons has joined #lgd 11:32:43 scribenick: Stuart 11:32:53 Topic: Smile For The Camera (Earth Observation) 11:33:04 icm1 has joined #lgd 11:33:07 Janderl has joined #lgd 11:33:12 ClemensPortele has joined #lgd 11:33:14 subtopic: The MELODIES project: Exploiting Linked Open Geospatial Data Jon Blower, Reading University 11:33:34 giusepperizzo has joined #lgd 11:34:21 Panels session: short presentations - presenters plus other and hopefully lots off time for discussion. 11:34:41 Diederik_tirry has joined #LGD 11:34:47 Broad interest in EO in paper submissions. 11:34:55 Jon Blower: 11:35:07 pauljcripps has joined #lgd 11:35:32 ... Melodies is about using /exploiting linked open data. 11:35:50 ... acronym expansion (too much to type!) 11:36:15 ... aiming to demonstrate the value of openly publishing data. 11:36:28 ... EUR 6.7M buget. 11:36:28 isedwards has joined #lgd 11:36:40 herste has joined #lgd 11:36:41 chrishenden has joined #lgd 11:37:08 ... obligatory FP7 slide... partners include SMEs with a big 'S' that are looking to use open linked dtata. 11:37:53 ... Project overview: Sources to the left; platform; and then services feeding back as sources. 11:38:01 ... Oh... and users :-) 11:38:24 Gianfra has joined #lgd 11:38:59 ... 8 services... precision agricultuture, urban planning... all anchoured in some UN initiative/activity. 11:39:45 ... EO data mostly raster data. Processed to extract features; agreegate; integtrated and then present in applications. 11:40:05 ... using Strabon geospatiaotemporal linked data platform. 11:40:14 ClausStadler has joined #lgd 11:40:35 ... Challenges and question... (find the slide). 11:40:58 subtopic: Expressing weather observations as Linked Data; ISO 19100 geographic information meets semantic web head on Jeremy Tandy, 11:41:11 dennis_keck has joined #lgd 11:41:45 Jeremy Tandy: Weather observations as linked data. 11:41:54 ocorcho has joined #lgd 11:42:21 ... WMO been a UN agency from 1951; 190?? countries exchanging weather information. 11:42:36 ... WMO has MOUs with ISO and OGC... 11:42:49 hugh has joined #lgd 11:42:57 boricles has joined #lgd 11:43:00 Alejandro_Llaves has joined #lgd 11:43:32 ... ISO/OGC start with abstract specifications; build application schema on top of these; various topics. 11:43:50 ... key thing is we have 'semantics' vested in the application schema. 11:43:57 pduchesne has joined #lgd 11:44:20 ... ISO 19150-2 is a piece of ISO work looking at the creation of OWL ontologies from ISO application schema. 11:44:58 ... Example measured air temperature at Exeter airport as of a given time. 11:45:09 RRSAgent, draft minutes 11:45:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/05-lgd-minutes.html PhilA 11:45:35 ... But were not in a green field and we should be using those from spaces like LOV listed vocabs. 11:46:10 ... abstract specifications need to translated into existing widely used vocabs. 11:46:28 subtopic: Data Discovery: Unleashing the Power of Geospatial Linked Data Dicky Allison, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution 11:46:37 lindavandenbrink has joined #lgd 11:46:53 stuart_ has joined #lgd 11:47:20 stuart_ has left #lgd 11:47:42 Dicky: WHOi has more geo date than anyone. Not a boast, a ple for mercy 11:47:46 Dicky Allison: BM-DM has one of the most heterogenically diverse data collection on the planet. 11:47:56 ... that's a plea for mercy. 11:48:05 pezholio has joined #lgd 11:48:43 ... Matching and mapping terms for the purpose of finding data about same place, event, measurement .... 11:49:03 AdamL has joined #lgd 11:49:03 ... First step is local to global vocab mapping. 11:49:18 PeterRushforth has joined #lgd 11:49:50 ... BC-DM then map to broader community vocabs. 11:50:50 ... NERC vocabs relate to other related vocabs and we (BC-DMO) benefit from those curated mappings. 11:50:51 ... 11:51:40 ... Use GeoSPARQL ontology to capture whole of a cruise's track. 11:52:12 ... aiming to link to geonames and/or SISSVOC marine regions vocab. 11:52:14 Jmev has joined #lgd 11:52:28 ... annotating cruise tracks with relevant POIs'. 11:52:54 ... aiming to provide GeoSparql support at endpoints. 11:53:45 Panel forms: presenters plus: Chris Little, Massimo Zotti, Bente Lija Bye and Tony Bush. 11:55:24 Massimo: An open data buisness model: use ontologies produced for INSPIRE data models to link EO data to ???. Data Fusion centre... 11:56:08 chrishenden has joined #lgd 11:57:30 Chris Little: From UK Metoffice. At OGC chair ??? Abstract is a quesion/call to action. Problem happens after youv'e found the data you want. Terra bytes of it... now you want to work with it. Given a conceptual model can you use that to generate some subsetting tools. 11:57:34 eparsons has left #lgd 11:59:11 Tony Bush: from Ricardo AEA and air quality specialist and amateur INSPIRE specialise. Working with DEFRA to migrate UK air quality holdings to INSPIRE. Now have an application schema that draws on about 5 INSPIRE data spec. Regulatory framework pulling in different directions. 11:59:17 Frans_Knibbe has joined #lgd 11:59:49 ... here to find out how to do things better and improve openness in air quality data. 11:59:54 ManoMarks has joined #lgd 12:00:29 Bente Lilja Bye: from Norway. Representing small companioes using EO data to bridge the gap to societical applications. 12:00:31 LarsG has joined #lgd 12:01:04 ... Social aspects of data policy also come into play. 12:01:59 eparsons has joined #lgd 12:02:26 AndreaPerego has joined #lgd 12:02:37 Whether we like it or not: people are generating data via social media. 12:03:20 There are some issues, we need to know the quality of the data, can you thrust this data (filtering), need to integrate this in the systems that make decisions. 12:03:22 ... most of the data were using is authoritative. However, social data say around a crisis. How do we make that data interoperable and integrated it into decison making systems. How can we ascertain the quality of socially sourced data and factor that into decision making processes. 12:03:24 BillOates has joined #lgd 12:03:42 Discussion Time: 12:05:10 @Stuart - to clarify at 11:52 - Dicky is potentiallyvlinking to SeaVoX Gazetteer, not SISSVoc (http://vocab.nerc.ac.uk/collection/C19/current/) 12:05:17 Bart ??? from OGC: Question to panel viz Chris point. EO data is quite large. Tend to download to process it locally. How about taking the procing power to the data and resuslts to the user. 12:05:49 Gianfranco Gliozzo from UCL/ZSL for Bente Lilja Bye: are you also combining data with environmental observations from citizens? I am referring to citizen science. 12:06:05 CL: A rule of super comuting is that computation is free. Data is so big now that you have to leave it where it is and take the applciation to the data. 12:07:40 JT: We collaborate around the world. Now looking at ways to bering up 'cloud' based apps adjacent to the data where its is. Challenge to get levels of agreement about platform standatrd and how to be confident runing someone elses code on your box. 12:08:16 vicchi has joined #lgd 12:08:24 BLB: noting the public efforts to build maps in support of disasters like the Beijing flooding (??) 12:09:03 DA: we don't deal with tera bytes of data, but we have ways of users being able to subselect our data. 12:10:07 TB: The problem of moving computation to data is beginning to be recognised in infrastructure. Web service APIs are good for small amounts of data. 12:10:48 TB: Lets not forget aout file formats/serailisation. 12:11:00 DanCooper Hants CC 12:12:15 Dan Cooper Hampshire Council: Looking to release councils aerial data soon... trying to figure out how they should do it? How would users want to access it? and in the context that it will incur some cost to provide. 12:13:02 TB: Map services can be quite challenging. Just making the images simply available is a really good first step. 12:13:15 rhwarren has joined #lgd 12:13:44 JT: Yes concur... that the sort of thing the Meto have been doing. Good metadata... KML wrapping. 12:14:15 CL: Don't view publishing INSPIRE as a pain. Look for the benefits that you can gain. 12:15:31 Fionalm has joined #lgd 12:15:33 Agggh all thos TBs' are not TB... I think its Jon Blower. 12:15:43 ayymanduh has joined #lgd 12:17:13 Steve Peters DCLG: Moving into interesting times with socially/crowd sourced information and reporting. Challenging to official sources. How should stanadard evolve to put officially sourced and crowd sourced data on a level playing field. 12:17:22 PhilA: The most important star of Linked Data is the first star - get your data out there with an open license on it. 12:17:40 BLB: ISO/OGC et. al. should be looking at this. 12:18:08