15:40:05 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 15:40:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-wai-wcag-irc 15:40:07 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:40:07 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 15:40:09 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 15:40:09 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes 15:40:10 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 15:40:10 Date: 04 March 2014 15:40:14 Chair: AWK 15:40:20 Zakim, agenda? 15:40:20 I see nothing on the agenda 15:40:39 Agenda+ Updating the scribe list 15:40:58 Agenda+ Close out final comment https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria10f65/ 15:41:20 Agenda+ Incorrect JAWS keystroke comment https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2898 15:41:32 Agenda+ Responding to unaddressed comments https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses 15:41:45 Agenda+ Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/ 15:41:57 Agenda+ CSUN - WCAG F2F Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting 15:43:04 Zakim, change agendum 4 15:43:04 I don't understand 'change agendum 4', AWK 15:43:24 Zakim, close agendum 4 15:43:24 agendum 4, Responding to unaddressed comments https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses, closed 15:43:26 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:43:26 1. Updating the scribe list [from AWK] 15:43:42 Agenda+ Responding to unaddressed comments 15:44:20 Agenda+ Assigning comment responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses 15:44:25 Zakim agenda? 15:44:32 Zakim, agenda? 15:44:32 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda: 15:44:33 1. Updating the scribe list [from AWK] 15:44:33 2. Close out final comment https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria10f65/ [from AWK] 15:44:33 3. Incorrect JAWS keystroke comment https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2898 [from AWK] 15:44:34 5. Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/ [from AWK] 15:44:34 6. CSUN - WCAG F2F Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting [from AWK] 15:44:34 7. Responding to unaddressed comments [from AWK] 15:44:34 8. Assigning comment responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses [from AWK] 15:49:12 Joshue108 has joined #wai-wcag 15:49:31 trackbot, start meeting 15:49:33 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:49:35 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 15:49:35 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes 15:49:36 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 15:49:36 Date: 04 March 2014 15:49:46 agenda + Misc survey for March 4th, 2014 15:49:47 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/ 15:49:51 zakim, agenda? 15:49:51 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda: 15:49:52 1. Updating the scribe list [from AWK] 15:49:52 2. Close out final comment https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria10f65/ [from AWK] 15:49:52 3. Incorrect JAWS keystroke comment https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2898 [from AWK] 15:49:53 5. Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/ [from AWK] 15:49:53 6. CSUN - WCAG F2F Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting [from AWK] 15:49:54 7. Responding to unaddressed comments [from AWK] 15:49:54 8. Assigning comment responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses [from AWK] 15:49:54 9. Misc survey for March 4th, 2014 [from Joshue108] 15:50:16 zakim, drop item 9 15:50:16 agendum 9, Misc survey for March 4th, 2014, dropped 15:50:21 Chair: AWK 15:51:39 Zakim, agenda order is 1,2,3,7,5,6,8 15:51:39 ok, AWK 15:51:42 Zakim, agenda? 15:51:42 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda: 15:51:43 1. Updating the scribe list [from AWK] 15:51:43 2. Close out final comment https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria10f65/ [from AWK] 15:51:43 3. Incorrect JAWS keystroke comment https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2898 [from AWK] 15:51:44 7. Responding to unaddressed comments [from AWK] 15:51:44 5. Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/ [from AWK] 15:51:45 6. CSUN - WCAG F2F Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting [from AWK] 15:51:45 8. Assigning comment responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses [from AWK] 15:53:17 WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started 15:53:24 +AWK 15:54:25 brb 15:55:40 back 15:57:07 +[IPcaller] 15:57:16 zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue 15:57:16 +Joshue; got it 15:57:27 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:57:27 On the phone I see AWK, Joshue 15:58:20 kathleen has joined #wai-wcag 15:59:06 Zakim, agendum 5 is Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/results 15:59:07 I don't understand you, AWK 15:59:09 +Kathleen 16:00:41 Loretta has joined #WAI-WCAG 16:01:03 Zakim, agendum 5 = Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/results 16:01:03 agendum 5 replaced 16:01:06 zakim, mute me 16:01:06 Joshue should now be muted 16:01:14 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:01:14 On the phone I see AWK, Joshue (muted), Kathleen 16:01:16 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 16:01:22 Jon_avila has joined #wai-wcag 16:01:24 ack me 16:01:28 Zakim, agendum 2 = Close out final comment https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria10f65/results 16:01:28 agendum 2 replaced 16:01:57 +[IPcaller] 16:02:18 zakim, IPcaller is Loretta 16:02:18 +Loretta; got it 16:03:16 +[IPcaller] 16:03:39 + +1.703.825.aaaa 16:03:42 zakim, mute me 16:03:42 Joshue should now be muted 16:04:46 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:04:46 On the phone I see AWK, Joshue (muted), Kathleen, Loretta, [IPcaller], +1.703.825.aaaa 16:05:00 ack me 16:05:56 Zakim, aaaa is Sailesh 16:05:56 +Sailesh; got it 16:06:01 the Ip caller is probably me Jon Avila 16:06:17 zakim, [IPcaller] is Jon Avila 16:06:17 I don't understand '[IPcaller] is Jon Avila', Joshue108 16:06:23 zakim, ip_caller is Jon_avila 16:06:23 sorry, Jon_avila, I do not recognize a party named 'ip_caller' 16:06:27 +??P30 16:06:34 zakim, ip caller is Jon_avila 16:06:34 I don't understand 'ip caller is Jon_avila', Jon_avila 16:06:43 zakim, ??P30 is Michael_Cooper 16:06:43 +Michael_Cooper; got it 16:06:44 zakim, ipcaller is Jon_avila 16:06:44 +Jon_avila; got it 16:06:46 zakim, [IPcaller] is Jon_avila 16:06:46 sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 16:07:12 zakim, mute me 16:07:12 Joshue should now be muted 16:07:28 Regrets+ Alan, Wilco, Kathy 16:07:38 urmila has joined #wai-wcag 16:08:12 regrets + DavidMacD 16:08:19 Scribe: Kathleen 16:08:29 Zakim, take up first item 16:08:29 I don't understand 'take up first item', AWK 16:08:36 Zakim, take up agendum 1 16:08:36 agendum 1. "Updating the scribe list" taken up [from AWK] 16:08:49 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List 16:08:49 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List 16:09:03 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JanMar/0167.html 16:09:04 AWK: updating scribe list 16:10:00 AWK: let Josh and I manage the scribe list 16:10:50 ack me 16:10:58 Zakim, next item 16:10:58 agendum 2. "Close out final comment https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria10f65/results" taken up 16:11:03 zakim, mute me 16:11:03 Michael_Cooper should now be muted 16:11:47 AWK: final comment response to EO re: their comment on aria1065 16:12:10 AWK: click link for response 16:12:55 +Marc_Johlic 16:12:59 AW: any comments, questions, concerns? 16:13:10 AWK: any objections to accepting this as proposed? 16:13:26 RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed 16:13:27 AWK: accepted as proposed 16:13:32 ack me 16:14:04 Zakim, next item 16:14:04 agendum 3. "Incorrect JAWS keystroke comment https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2898" taken up [from AWK] 16:14:08 TomHoffmann has joined #wai-wcag 16:14:16 zakim, mute me 16:14:16 Joshue should now be muted 16:15:38 + +1.781.690.aabb 16:15:39 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H80.html 16:16:12 AWK: the comment is that the keystroke in the technique is not helpful 16:16:23 +q 16:16:35 AWK: we have found this keystoke to work and David confirmed it 16:16:40 ack me 16:16:51 zakim, aabb is Tom Hoffmann 16:16:51 I don't understand 'aabb is Tom Hoffmann', Joshue108 16:16:54 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:16:54 On the phone I see AWK, Joshue, Kathleen, Loretta, Jon_avila, Sailesh, Michael_Cooper (muted), Marc_Johlic, +1.781.690.aabb 16:17:05 zakim, aabb is Tom_Hoffman 16:17:05 +Tom_Hoffman; got it 16:17:07 zakim, 690.aabb is TomHoffmann 16:17:07 sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '690.aabb' 16:17:26 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:17:26 On the phone I see AWK, Joshue, Kathleen, Loretta, Jon_avila, Sailesh, Michael_Cooper (muted), Marc_Johlic, Tom_Hoffman 16:19:30 AWK: user agent support is definitely a factor for a technique like this one 16:19:30 zakim, mute me 16:19:30 Joshue should now be muted 16:20:16 Kath: There should be 'there are'.. 16:20:25 Kath: Some grammar. 16:21:16 AWK: any objection to acceptnig this as amended? 16:21:29 AWK: accepted as amended 16:21:47 RESOLUTION: accepted as amended 16:21:50 Zakim, next item 16:21:50 agendum 7. "Responding to unaddressed comments" taken up [from AWK] 16:22:32 AWK: we have a number of comments we have not responded to 16:23:07 AWK: 15 comments, 13 are from wilco 16:23:12 q+ 16:23:30 ack kath 16:24:28 AWK: proposing an email response 16:24:36 Proposed response: Thank you for your comments on the Techniques for WCAG 2.0 document. This email is to notify you that your comments have been received by the Working Group and they will be addressed, but since the comments are not specific to new content in the techniques document they have been deferred until the next publication of the document in order to meet the publication deadline. 16:24:43 ack me 16:24:51 And more... We will notify you again once we have reviewed your comments as a group and de 16:25:05 and determined whether to make changes to the Techniques document as a result or provide clarification. 16:25:15 zakim, mute me 16:25:16 Joshue should now be muted 16:25:25 looks fine to me 16:25:59 looks OK to me 16:25:59 +1 16:26:14 +1 16:26:16 +1 16:26:29 zakim, agenda? 16:26:29 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 16:26:30 7. Responding to unaddressed comments [from AWK] 16:26:30 5. Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/results 16:26:30 6. CSUN - WCAG F2F Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting [from AWK] 16:26:30 8. Assigning comment responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses [from AWK] 16:26:43 ack me 16:27:21 ack me 16:27:23 AWK: responses are sent out through the comment tracker system 16:29:06 zakim, mute me 16:29:06 Joshue should now be muted 16:29:12 AWK: any objections to sending out this response to the unaddressed comments? 16:29:51 RESOLUTION: chair to notify commenters of unaddressed comments about status 16:29:56 Zakim, next item 16:29:56 agendum 5. "Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/results" taken up 16:31:04 TOPIC: LC-2880: This technique should be a failure technique 16:31:30 AWK: this one is from wilco 16:31:50 zakim, queue? 16:31:50 I see no one on the speaker queue 16:32:16 AWK: he feels there are some issue with this 16:32:24 AWK: survey comments are mixed 16:34:44 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H2 16:34:54 sailesh: if this is not fixing something then why is there a technique? 16:35:00 q+ 16:35:35 q+ to disagree that this fails 2.4.3 16:36:00 2.4.3 is meaningful sequence 16:36:38 +[IPcaller] 16:36:46 zakim, ipcaller is Jon_avila 16:36:46 +Jon_avila; got it 16:36:58 q+ 16:37:12 ack loretta 16:38:31 q- 16:38:32 q+ 16:39:16 q+ 16:39:27 ack awk 16:41:34 +q 16:41:35 ack lo 16:42:37 ack me 16:42:38 Loretta: leave it open and add it to the list of techniques we need to work on? 16:43:49 I suggest just sending the previuosly approved status messae. 16:44:04 message 16:44:08 s/previuosly/previously 16:44:16 s/messae/message 16:44:38 AWK: we are going to leave it open and add it to our list of comments that need to be addessed 16:44:45 AWK: any objections? 16:45:28 RESOLUTION: leave open 16:45:59 TOPIC: LC-2882: Add a warning about the poor support for this technique h69 16:46:47 +q 16:47:03 -q 16:48:59 AWK: any new questions or comments? 16:49:19 AWK: any objections to accepting this as amended? 16:49:30 RESOLUION: accepted as amended 16:49:42 RESOLUTION: accepted as amended 16:50:09 TOPIC: Git Pull request 8: Additional example for ARIA9 16:50:14 +James_Nurthen 16:50:20 ack me 16:50:29 AWK: any other comments about this one? 16:50:40 jnurthen has joined #wai-wcag 16:50:50 rrsagent, make minutes 16:50:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html jnurthen 16:51:49 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/8 16:52:05 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:52:05 On the phone I see AWK, Joshue, Kathleen, Loretta, Jon_avila, Sailesh, Michael_Cooper, Marc_Johlic, Tom_Hoffman, Jon_avila.a, James_Nurthen 16:53:06 AWK: the commented will submit another example 16:53:32 AWK: any objections to closing as already resolved? 16:53:52 RESOLUTION: close because of ..... 16:54:11 RESOLUTION: Closed as already resolved (rejected) 16:54:40 s/(rejected)/(rejected pull request) 16:54:51 TOPIC: LC-2895: Add "Techniques for Specific Technologies" 16:55:19 AWK: need to work on this with the EO WG 16:56:55 zakim, mute me 16:56:55 Joshue should now be muted 16:59:03 zakim, queue? 16:59:03 I see no one on the speaker queue 16:59:20 AWK: any ideas or thoughts on this? 16:59:49 +q 17:00:14 ack me 17:00:40 regrets+ Barry, Kerstin 17:00:42 Joshue108: the term that throws me is "accessible to all people" 17:01:13 +1 to Joshue's comment. 17:02:01 regrets+ Bruce 17:02:15 regrets+ Alastair 17:02:55 q+ 17:03:15 +q 17:05:15 Loretta: invite Shawn to one of our meetings? 17:05:31 ack me 17:05:37 ack me 17:05:58 q+ 17:06:30 ack lore 17:08:22 RESOLUTION: we will leave this open and discuss this with EOWG at a meeting 17:08:42 zakim, next item 17:08:42 agendum 6. "CSUN - WCAG F2F Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting" taken up [from AWK] 17:09:18 Currently: 10 attendees (Michael Cooper, Kathy Wahlbin, Katie Haritos-Shea, Michael Elledge, Loretta Guarino Reid, Andrew Kirkpatrick, Josh O Connor, James Nurthen, Tim Boland, Lisa Seeman) 17:09:40 Register - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/201403_ftf/ 17:09:50 AWK: if you don't see your name here you should go and register 17:10:51 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting#agenda 17:11:08 zakim, mute me 17:11:08 Joshue should now be muted 17:12:01 zakim, queue? 17:12:01 I see no one on the speaker queue 17:12:05 AWK: any questions about the draft agenda 17:12:22 marcjohlic: remote availability? 17:12:30 AWK: I believe Yes 17:12:36 ack me 17:12:45 zakim, unmute me 17:12:45 Michael_Cooper was not muted, MichaelC 17:13:15 MichaelC: we can set up a reservation on the bridge 17:13:31 -Sailesh 17:13:32 MichaelC: don't know if we will have a phone in the room 17:14:44 zakim, next item 17:14:44 agendum 8. "Assigning comment responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses" taken up [from AWK] 17:16:21 q+ 17:16:50 ack kathleen 17:16:53 Kath: Whats the timeframe? 17:17:10 AWK: need responses by June 17:18:17 I'll take it. 17:19:09 I'll take it 17:20:29 zakim, mute me 17:20:29 Loretta should now be muted 17:22:14 -Tom_Hoffman 17:22:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:22:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html kathleen 17:23:31 ack me 17:24:07 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses 17:25:33 2903 17:25:35 -Joshue 17:27:16 AWK: click on the technique link, there is status "open and assigned to" 17:28:21 AWK: type your poposed comment in the Resolution: text box 17:28:45 AWK: say what you're going to change 17:29:38 change the status to proposal and submit as proposal 17:30:13 zakim, who is on the phone? 17:30:13 On the phone I see AWK, Kathleen, Loretta (muted), Jon_avila, Michael_Cooper, Marc_Johlic, Jon_avila.a, James_Nurthen 17:30:37 TOPIC: Publication status 17:31:03 AWK: we are looking at thursday for the techniques and understanding documents for publication 17:31:33 rrsagent, make minutes 17:31:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html kathleen 17:32:12 q+ 17:33:06 q+ 17:33:32 ack lo 17:33:34 zakim, unmute e 17:33:34 sorry, Loretta, I do not know which phone connection belongs to e 17:36:14 zakim, please part 17:36:14 leaving. As of this point the attendees were AWK, Joshue, Kathleen, Loretta, +1.703.825.aaaa, Sailesh, Michael_Cooper, Jon_avila, Marc_Johlic, +1.781.690.aabb, Tom_Hoffman, 17:36:14 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 17:36:17 ... James_Nurthen 17:36:25 rrsagent, make minutes 17:36:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html kathleen 17:37:01 present+ James_Nurthen 17:37:12 rrsagent, make minutes 17:37:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html jnurthen 17:40:57 Joshue has joined #wai-wcag 19:31:00 Joshue has joined #wai-wcag 21:02:11 Joshue108 has joined #wai-wcag