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15:00:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:00:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
15:00:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
15:00:31 <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2014
15:01:37 <nigel> zakim, who is on the call
15:01:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', nigel
15:01:43 <nigel> zakim, who is on the phone
15:01:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', nigel
15:01:50 <nigel> zakim, who is speaking?
15:01:50 <Zakim> sorry, nigel, I don't know what conference this is
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15:02:26 <nigel> zakim, what meeting is this?
15:02:26 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, nigel.
15:02:46 <nigel> zakim, this is TTML
15:02:46 <Zakim> ok, nigel; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
15:02:52 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
15:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see pal, ??P12, +41.22.749.aaaa, ??P11, Plh, glenn
15:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see plh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tmichel, Frans_EBU_, nigel, glenn, trackbot
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15:03:19 <tmichel> zakim, ??P12 is me
15:03:19 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
15:03:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:03:32 <Frans_EBU_> +41 is Frans
15:03:41 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Frans
15:03:41 <Zakim> +Frans; got it
15:03:47 <nigel> zakim, ??P11 is me
15:03:48 <Zakim> +nigel; got it
15:04:15 <nigel> chair: nigel
15:04:36 <nigel> Present: plh, tmichel, glenn, pal, nigel, frans, jdsmith
15:04:58 <nigel> zakim, pick a victim
15:04:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Microsoft]
15:05:30 <nigel> scribeNick: jdsmith
15:05:42 <nigel> nigel: explains about scribing a bit
15:06:15 <jdsmith> new topic:  Charter
15:06:26 <jdsmith> topic: charter
15:06:41 <pal> pal has joined #tt
15:07:05 <jdsmith> action 268 to be done after this meeting.
15:07:05 <trackbot> Error finding '268'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/users>.
15:07:41 <jdsmith> action-268: to be done after this meeting.
15:07:41 <trackbot> Notes added to action-268 Estimate timelines for ttml 2 deliberables with glenn.
15:08:36 <mike> mike has joined #tt
15:09:18 <plh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2014JanMar/0038.html
15:09:24 <Zakim> +Mike
15:09:31 <jdsmith> plh: jerry should ping Mike Champion on charter review
15:09:37 <nigel> Present+ Mike Dolan
15:10:56 <jdsmith> topic: open action items
15:11:13 <nigel> action-244?
15:11:13 <trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:11:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
15:11:15 <jdsmith> action-244?
15:11:15 <trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:11:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
15:11:41 <nigel> issue-295?
15:11:41 <trackbot> issue-295 -- Remove code point restrictions from IMSC -- open
15:11:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295
15:12:06 <jdsmith> currently pending review
15:14:17 <jdsmith> glenn: previously commented about the action being exhaustive.  fine with current wording.
15:14:50 <nigel> close action-244
15:14:50 <trackbot> Closed action-244.
15:14:52 <jdsmith> any objections to closing?  None.
15:15:11 <jdsmith> action-257?
15:15:11 <trackbot> action-257 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a new issue to split these out for tracking. -- due 2014-01-23 -- CLOSED
15:15:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257
15:17:14 <jdsmith> nigel:  see this is now closed.
15:17:33 <jdsmith> nigel: mentions issue-300.
15:17:37 <nigel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2014Jan/0017.html
15:17:57 <jdsmith> nigel:  minutes just posted have discussion on this issue previously
15:18:17 <glenn> ISSUE-300: see also minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2014Jan/0017.html
15:18:17 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-300 Prior interpretation of the correct fallback for tts:origin.
15:18:38 <glenn> ACTION-257: see also ACTION-259
15:18:38 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-257 Create a new issue to split these out for tracking..
15:19:04 <jdsmith> nigel: note added to connect issue-259
15:19:12 <glenn> ACTION: previous note should read ISSUE-259, not ACTION-259
15:19:12 <trackbot> Error finding 'previous'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/users>.
15:19:52 <glenn> ACTION-257: previous note should read ISSUE-259, not ACTION-259
15:19:52 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-257 Create a new issue to split these out for tracking..
15:20:32 <jdsmith> topic: pending review issues and actions
15:20:52 <glenn> rrsagent, action- 1
15:21:07 <jdsmith> issue-282?
15:21:07 <trackbot> issue-282 -- Need to add missing named character entities. -- pending review
15:21:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/282
15:22:06 <jdsmith> nigel: propose we close issue-282
15:22:46 <glenn> action: glenn to implement issue-282 changes on TTML2 text also
15:22:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-269 - Implement issue-282 changes on ttml2 text also [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-03-06].
15:23:09 <tmichel> yes can close 282 for TTML1 errata
15:23:16 <jdsmith> glenn:  agree that issue can be closed.
15:23:21 <nigel> close issue-282
15:23:21 <trackbot> Closed issue-282.
15:23:47 <jdsmith> topic: overdue action items
15:24:28 <plh> action-203?
15:24:28 <trackbot> action-203 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
15:24:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203
15:26:58 <jdsmith> plh: updated to discuss css text-shadow compared to TTML textOutline property.
15:28:07 <jdsmith> plh: remaining to do is review windowBorder - anyone interested in pursuing that?
15:28:49 <jdsmith> mike:  should be "no", since there is no windowBorder property in 708.
15:29:21 <jdsmith> glenn:  border property was added to TTML2.
15:30:02 <jdsmith> mike:  borders do in fact exist, with similar shadow settings.
15:31:43 <jdsmith> SMPTE 2052-11 has mappings, if we care.
15:33:15 <Zakim> -Frans
15:34:45 <jdsmith> mike: 708 is another big spec with a subset required by US law.  It suggests that applying border properties on characters only is adequate.
15:35:14 <jdsmith> mike:  can safely say that no-one authors border shadows.
15:37:24 <jdsmith> glenn:  might be good to have a mapping appendix that references 2052-11.
15:38:19 <jdsmith> plh: suggest we close action-203.
15:38:32 <glenn> action: glenn add informative appendix to ttml2 on subject of 708 mapping, where it refers to ST2052-11 as starting point, and provides place to extend or elaborate mapping information
15:38:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-270 - Add informative appendix to ttml2 on subject of 708 mapping, where it refers to st2052-11 as starting point, and provides place to extend or elaborate mapping information [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-03-06].
15:39:40 <nigel> action-203: Regulation does not require support for 708 window border property; text outline already present in TTML2 draft. Therefore decision is to close this action with no further edits at this time.
15:39:40 <trackbot> Notes added to action-203 Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help.
15:39:47 <nigel> close action-203
15:39:47 <trackbot> Closed action-203.
15:40:05 <glenn> see updated overdue actions https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/overdue
15:40:08 <jdsmith> nigel: back to overdue actions.
15:41:27 <jdsmith> glenn:  have a pending review action to discuss
15:41:31 <jdsmith> action-267?
15:41:32 <trackbot> action-267 -- Glenn Adams to Fix notes on action-56 and issue-165 to refer to ttml2 changeset -- due 2014-02-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:41:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/267
15:43:27 <jdsmith> glenn:  notes fixed to reflect changeset
15:43:33 <nigel> close action-267
15:43:33 <trackbot> Closed action-267.
15:45:15 <jdsmith> one overdue action remaining
15:45:19 <jdsmith> action-256?
15:45:19 <trackbot> action-256 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review wording on issue-259 proposed solution and suggest alternate wording for consistency with existing profile documents -- due 2014-01-16 -- OPEN
15:45:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/256
15:46:28 <jdsmith> nigel: no update, so anything to discuss on it?
15:46:44 <jdsmith> pal: not sure if action-256 is required at this point.
15:47:11 <jdsmith> glenn:  might still be useful to make a suggestion on alternate wording.
15:47:37 <jdsmith> pal:  alternate wording was actually proposed after this action was created.
15:47:58 <jdsmith> nigel:  agree.  closing appears to be appropriate.
15:49:24 <jdsmith> action-256: see note added january 16 by pal on issue-259.
15:49:24 <trackbot> Notes added to action-256 Review wording on issue-259 proposed solution and suggest alternate wording for consistency with existing profile documents.
15:50:07 <jdsmith> close action-256
15:50:07 <trackbot> Closed action-256.
15:50:47 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
15:51:07 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent
15:51:26 <nigel> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm?content-type=text/html
15:51:55 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
15:53:06 <jdsmith> topic: change proposal-15
15:53:08 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
15:54:58 <jdsmith> nigel:  added box-decoration-break with some examples, and font face rule.
15:56:10 <jdsmith> glenn:  box-decoration-break has been delayed by CSS WG, would present problems for us to pursue.
15:56:43 <jdsmith> glenn:  may want to draft an email for nigel as chair to send to CSS WB.
15:56:49 <jdsmith> WG...
15:57:22 <nigel> action nigel to draft email to CSS WG chair requesting box-decoration-break in CSS3
15:57:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-271 - Draft email to css wg chair requesting box-decoration-break in css3 [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-06].
15:58:09 <jdsmith> nigel: comments on font face rule?
15:58:24 <jdsmith> glenn:  obviously intended to support downloadable fonts syntax.
15:59:12 <jdsmith> nigel: have suggested a mapping in change proposal 15.
15:59:56 <jdsmith> glenn:  might be simplied to using a single URL rather than multiple.
16:00:37 <jdsmith> nigel:  any other business before close?
16:01:12 <plh> regrets for next week
16:02:19 <Zakim> -pal
16:02:30 <glenn> standby 1min
16:02:46 <Zakim> -nigel
16:03:04 <nigel> rrsagent, make logs public
16:03:12 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:03:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-tt-minutes.html nigel
16:03:14 <plh> zakim, list attendees
16:03:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pal, +41.22.749.aaaa, Plh, glenn, tmichel, [Microsoft], Frans, nigel, Mike
16:03:17 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:03:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-tt-minutes.html plh
16:04:16 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-tt-minutes.html,text
16:05:29 <glenn> back
16:06:40 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:06:44 <Zakim> -Mike
16:06:54 <glenn> zakim, who's on the call?
16:06:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see tmichel, Plh, glenn
16:07:10 <glenn> zakim, tmichel is nigel
16:07:10 <Zakim> +nigel; got it
16:09:20 <Zakim> -Plh
16:45:13 <Zakim> -glenn
16:45:17 <Zakim> -nigel
16:45:19 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:45:19 <Zakim> Attendees were pal, +41.22.749.aaaa, Plh, glenn, [Microsoft], Frans, nigel, Mike
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