14:12:39 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:12:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-dap-irc 14:12:41 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:12:41 Zakim has joined #dap 14:12:43 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:12:43 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 48 minutes 14:12:44 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:12:44 Date: 27 February 2014 14:14:14 Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Giri_Mandyam, JeanClaude_Dufourd 14:14:31 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:14:47 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:15:07 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0057.html 14:15:19 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0057.html 14:15:43 ScribeNick: fjh 14:15:55 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, announcements 14:16:12 fjh: add agenda item regarding meeting scheduling and frequency 14:57:04 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:57:11 +[IPcaller] 14:57:12 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:57:13 +fjh; got it 14:57:34 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 14:58:43 LisaDeLuca_IBM has joined #dap 14:59:54 +??P10 15:00:07 Zakim, ??P10 is mats 15:00:07 +mats; got it 15:00:12 +Lisa_DeLuca 15:00:29 Present+ Lisa_DeLuca 15:01:43 anssik has joined #dap 15:02:33 Topic: Minutes approval 15:02:42 Approve minutes from 20 February 2014 15:02:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/att-0047/minutes-2014-02-20.html 15:02:50 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 20 February 2014 are approved 15:02:54 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 15:03:02 Topic: Network Information 15:03:16 fjh: CfC to shelve extended one week, to 4 March, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0055.html 15:03:24 zakim, who is here? 15:03:24 On the phone I see fjh, mats, Lisa_DeLuca 15:03:25 On IRC I see anssik, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, mounir, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie__, trackbot 15:03:46 +??P25 15:03:53 zakim, ??P25 is me 15:03:53 +anssik; got it 15:04:13 Topic: Testing and Implementations 15:04:23 fjh: Pull request status summary : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0049.html 15:04:47 fjh: All four pull requests have a critic comment that says "waiting for review from Simon Pieters, Masataka Yakura, xiaoqian, Anne van Kesteren, James Graham" 15:05:12 fjh: I'm not quite sure what we should do with these reviewers 15:06:28 fjh: or how they became the default critics 15:08:26 anssik: what about Tobie 15:08:28 "This is an external review system which you may optionally use for the code review of your pull request." 15:08:44 fjh: Tobie has raised an issue I noted in my message, so he has been reviewing, I don't think we need to ask him again 15:09:33 +Clarke 15:10:27 Clarke has joined #dap 15:11:42 fjh: not quite sure how to incorporate these changes, from the change log 15:12:30 action: fjh to follow up on how to approve pull requests and to identify correct reviewers, remove inappropriate critics etc 15:12:31 Created ACTION-682 - Follow up on how to approve pull requests and to identify correct reviewers, remove inappropriate critics etc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-03-06]. 15:12:32 +Cathy 15:12:46 Zhiqiang Zhang 15:13:41 fjh: we also need to determine if pull request closes Tobie's issue, I guess I'll ask Tobie 15:14:24 LisaDeLuca_IBM: dom sent message to cordova list 15:14:57 … I said I am in both groups, suggested we open Jira issues, Dom opened 10 of them 15:15:22 … also part of open standards group at IBM, working with management to see how much time I can spend, resources we can involve 15:15:41 … others have their own agendas, so I might be able to help align efforts 15:15:57 … next steps will be to break out Jira issues to various platforms, iOS, Android, etc 15:16:17 … then need to get those familiar with those platforms to help with changes 15:16:27 … this will take some work but is progressing 15:16:40 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6065 battery https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6066 html media capture https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6068 contacts https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6069 motion https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6070 orientation https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6071 notifications https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6072 File transfer https://issues.apache.org/jira/brows[CUT] 15:16:48 -Cathy 15:16:54 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6074 Media https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6075 Vibration which was marked as a dup of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5459 15:16:55 fjh: thanks for the information and the help 15:17:08 fjh: do you have any idea regarding time frames for various milestones etc? 15:17:31 LisaDeLuca_IBM: I also have more links regarding plugins 15:17:34 +Cathy 15:17:37 http://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/3.4.0/cordova_plugins_pluginapis.md.html#Plugin%20APIs 15:17:42 Present+ Cathy_Chan 15:17:45 17 core plugins for Cordova 15:18:58 q+ 15:19:56 LisaDeLuca_IBM: expect more resources to help with Cordova so having clearly defined issues in Jira should help 15:20:01 ack anssik 15:20:08 q- 15:20:15 anssik: have looked at material Lisa has provided 15:20:38 LisaDeLuca_IBM: we need to prioritize 15:21:17 I propose Cordova priorities features for which there are other implementation and/or that are more mature 15:21:29 s/priorities/prioritizes/ 15:21:36 s/implementation/implementations/ 15:21:58 LisaDeLuca_IBM: will share these links on the list and get the conversation started 15:22:02 fjh: that sounds great 15:22:10 for example, Vibration, Battery Status API, and HTML Media Capture already have implementations, and the specs are mature/ing 15:22:25 Topic: Network Service Discovery 15:22:32 WD published, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0048.html 15:22:43 fjh: now the publication is consistent with our current state which is good 15:22:53 WD: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-discovery-api-20140220/ 15:25:52 fjh: I have entered a few new issues that came up during the publication process 15:25:58 ISSUE-157? 15:25:58 ISSUE-157 -- Style element appears in body before bibliography, should be in head (validation issue) -- open 15:25:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/157 15:26:02 ISSUE-158? 15:26:02 ISSUE-158 -- Whatwg promises related links are broken and should be removed, new promises reference needed -- open 15:26:02 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/158 15:26:06 ISSUE-159? 15:26:06 ISSUE-159 -- Diff link in WD broken, update in source -- open 15:26:06 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/159 15:26:50 fjh: I also followed up on my action and shared information about the publication and its revisions, including CORS and promises , to both Mozilla and Chromium, on their bug lists which I joined 15:26:58 ACTION-681? 15:26:58 ACTION-681 -- Frederick Hirsch to Follow up on letting chromium & mozilla teams know about cors addition to network service discovery -- due 2014-02-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:26:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/681 15:27:09 fjh: Chromium: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!searchin/blink-dev/network$20service$20discovery/blink-dev/HT0KZKuTLxM/S3w-SdvjZfUJ 15:27:16 fjh: Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914579 15:27:47 fjh: there was some concern about promise usage but Rich discussed that and I believe it was a misunderstanding 15:28:13 fjh: concern from Jonas about security model with suggestion to avoid Network Service Discovery and build directly on sockets etc 15:28:25 fjh: those interested in NSD for TV seem to go along with that approach 15:28:34 fjh: suggest we have call with Jonas to discuss 15:28:45 fjh: will set up, but would like Dom on call so may be in two weeks 15:29:28 fjh: will follow up privately then if interest share on list 15:29:44 fjh: also suggest we might need to change the call time so we can have Rich on the call (and Cathy) 15:30:03 s/Cathy/make it easier for Cathy to join/ 15:30:27 fjh: Cathy do you have anything more to add 15:30:34 cathy_chan: not more to add 15:30:47 close ACTION-681 15:30:47 Closed ACTION-681. 15:30:59 Topic: Action Review 15:31:12 fjh: testing and implementation remain primary issues 15:31:18 s/issues/actions/ 15:31:22 ACTION-523? 15:31:22 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 15:31:22 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 15:31:32 Topic: Meeting scheduling 15:31:52 fjh: we may wish to reschedule meeting time so participants in Network Service Discovery can attend 15:32:03 fjh: also prefer earlier in week 15:32:25 fjh: Tue, Wed might be best 15:33:15 fjh: suggest we might want calls every other week so people can make better use of their time and plan 15:33:26 fjh: we don't seem to have need for weekly calls right now 15:33:36 LisaDeLuca_IBM: +1 15:33:42 anssik: +1 15:33:47 +1 15:36:27 -Clarke 15:36:29 -mats 15:36:29 -anssik 15:36:29 -Lisa_DeLuca 15:36:31 -fjh 15:37:17 -Cathy 15:37:18 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:37:18 Attendees were fjh, mats, Lisa_DeLuca, anssik, Clarke, Cathy 15:41:50 fjh: I will propose an every other week schedule immediately, taking into account holidays etc 15:42:08 fjh: using the current slot - we can then think about changing the slot separately 15:42:25 Topic: Other Business 15:42:25 none 15:42:25 Topic: Adjourn 15:42:25 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:42:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:42:56 s/right now/right now, and I wish to respect your time/ 15:43:44 Present+ Clarke_Stevens 15:44:59 s/I guess I'll ask Tobie/I'll ask Tobie about this issue as well as the pull requests in general/ 15:45:12 s/dom sent/Dom sent/ 15:45:54 i/Dom sent/fjh: Lisa you wanted to mention helping with implementation/ 15:46:19 s/milestones etc/milestones, prioritization, etc/ 15:46:39 s;mature/ing;maturing; 15:48:48 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:48:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-dap-minutes.html fjh 16:00:25 lgombos has joined #dap 17:39:37 Zakim has left #dap 18:24:48 lgombos has joined #dap