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15:56:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:56:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:56:24 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2014
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15:56:37 <Zakim> +dshkolnik
15:56:44 <AWK> regrets+ Kathy, Kathleen
15:56:56 <AWK> Zakim, dsh is AWK
15:56:56 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
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15:59:24 <AWK> regrets+ Kerstin
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16:00:24 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
16:00:24 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:00:28 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
16:00:28 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:00:28 <Joshue> trackbot, start meeting
16:00:29 <Zakim> 1. discuss ARIA10/F65 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/imagediscussmtg/results [from AWK]
16:00:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:00:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
16:00:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM already started
16:00:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:00:33 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2014
16:00:37 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:00:43 <AWK> zakim, regrets?
16:00:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
16:00:45 <Joshue> Chair: Josh
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16:00:49 <Joshue> zakim, agenda
16:00:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', Joshue
16:00:51 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
16:00:51 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:00:52 <Zakim> 1. discuss ARIA10/F65 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/imagediscussmtg/results [from AWK]
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16:01:03 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
16:01:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:10 <AWK> regrets+ Kathy, Kathleen, Kerstin
16:01:16 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:01:30 <bbailey> zakim, i am bruce_bailey
16:01:30 <Zakim> ok, bbailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
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16:01:59 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone
16:01:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Joshue
16:02:04 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, Joshue, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, [IPcaller], Marc_Johlic
16:02:17 <AWK> Agenda+ Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/
16:02:20 <Zakim> +??P17
16:02:22 <Zakim> +Sailesh_Panchang
16:02:36 <AWK> Zakim, IPcaller is Jon_Avila
16:02:36 <Zakim> +Jon_Avila; got it
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16:03:05 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:03:09 <AWK> Agenda+ Approval to publish techniques and understanding documents
16:03:36 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 2
16:03:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/" taken up [from AWK]
16:03:54 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
16:03:59 <Zakim> + +31.13.509.aaaa
16:04:06 <Zakim> +JF
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16:04:27 <AWK> Zakim aaaa is Wilco
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16:07:29 <Loretta> zakim, IPCaller is Loretta
16:07:29 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:08:18 <Ryladog_> scribe:Ryladog
16:08:44 <Ryladog_> rrsagent, list attendee
16:08:44 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendee', Ryladog_.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:09:00 <Ryladog_> zakim, make minutes
16:09:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Ryladog_
16:09:24 <Ryladog_> Topic: Edits to ARIA10
16:09:43 <Ryladog_> zakim, make minutes
16:09:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Ryladog_
16:09:44 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/ARIA10
16:09:50 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Revised_Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content
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16:10:05 <Zakim> +MichelC
16:10:11 <David> http://davidmacd.com/test/altstoalts.html
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16:11:09 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:11:09 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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16:11:58 <Ryladog> zakim #wai-wcag
16:12:25 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
16:12:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
16:12:35 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make log public
16:12:36 <David> when is it?
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16:13:16 <Ryladog> Topic: CSUN Hackathon for AT testing of ARIA
16:13:24 <Ryladog> JF: Goals to open it up
16:13:32 <Ryladog> I mentioned this last week
16:13:44 <David> i'll be there!
16:13:46 <AWK> q+
16:14:27 <Ryladog> JF: Those with different configurations AT/UA/OS at CSUN is the value, Saturday the March 22
16:14:49 <Ryladog> Topic: Edits to ARIA10
16:15:03 <Ryladog> DM: Copied code for us to test
16:15:24 <Ryladog> DM: Folks can do it during the call
16:15:42 <Ryladog> DM: the first two images are from ARIA10
16:15:48 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:15:48 <Zakim> I see AWK on the speaker queue
16:16:02 <Ryladog> LGR: Do you think you could put it into two diff web pahes?
16:16:09 <Ryladog> DM: yes I can do this
16:16:13 <Ryladog> q+
16:16:17 <Joshue> ack awk
16:16:19 <AWK> ack me
16:17:07 <Joshue> +q
16:17:09 <Ryladog> AWK: We cannot use the video example when you use aria-labellb, and does with Aria-label
16:17:20 <Ryladog> DM: I did not make a comment on the video yet
16:17:29 <Ryladog> AWK: What was the result
16:17:46 <Ryladog> SP: it works with FF
16:18:32 <Ryladog> LGR: I did not make series of techniques. We had a special meeting and I agreed to make an example of when alt in noot available
16:18:35 <Ryladog> q+
16:19:07 <Ryladog> SP: in that example the alt was different than the aria-labelled-by
16:19:15 <Ryladog> LGR: if someone
16:19:19 <Joshue> ack ryla
16:19:19 <AWK> q+
16:19:57 <Joshue> KHT: Because there are other people here with diverse opinions, if this means that we are going to be releasing techniques that say we don't need to use alt then we need to have a longer discussion.
16:20:08 <Joshue> ack me
16:21:07 <Ryladog> JO: We might want on a parent element, it doesnt meet the
16:21:21 <Ryladog> JO: is this a pattern that we want to support?
16:22:03 <David> ARIA10 EX1 http://davidmacd.com/test/aria10ex1.html
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16:22:27 <David> ARIA10EX2 http://davidmacd.com/test/aria10ex2.html
16:22:33 <Loretta> q+ Test procedure is missing the constraint that element doesn't take alt attribute (!)
16:23:04 <Ryladog> JO: Salesh's comment, when video receives keyboard - double trouble in JAWS 15
16:23:08 <Loretta> q+ To say test procedure is missing "no alt" constraint!
16:23:44 <David> Example of four images with alt, aria-label, aria-labelledby, title http://davidmacd.com/test/altstoalts.html
16:23:45 <Ryladog> q+
16:24:09 <Ryladog> JO: David, I still do not know where the group is
16:24:42 <Ryladog> JO: I am in the same genre as Katie, We need a use case that really ,kaes sense
16:24:44 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:24:44 <Zakim> I see AWK, Loretta, Ryladog on the speaker queue
16:24:44 <Ryladog> q+
16:25:08 <Joshue> ack awk
16:25:36 <Joshue> +q to say I think this use of a video element with aria-labelledby by is a valid use case
16:26:02 <Ryladog> AWK: There is a bunch of testing siince there is a star example. We have a lot of test data from people filling out the form - I do not have the videp exapmle. We only know of one configuation where it does work. On mobile it works everyh]where
16:26:26 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:26:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, Joshue, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Jon_Avila, Marc_Johlic, Michael_Cooper (muted), Sailesh_Panchang, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +31.13.509.aaaa, JF, Loretta,
16:26:29 <Zakim> ... MichelC
16:26:34 <Ryladog> AWK: It works well on every Macdevice, work well with NVDA and FF, with JAW and IE. Has strong support for the stars example
16:26:56 <Ryladog> AWK: We do not wwant to have no example. This starts example is a viable example
16:27:23 <Ryladog> AWK: We are not making it too epansie either. Developers will say what can I do woth this
16:27:26 <David> Youtube search of stars 4 out of 5, http://tinyurl.com/mjpj5a8
16:27:44 <Ryladog> AWK: One of the issues is that is very constrained
16:27:48 <Joshue> ack Lor
16:27:48 <Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say test procedure is missing "no alt" constraint!
16:28:15 <Joshue> +1 to Loretta
16:28:20 <JF> Q+
16:28:24 <Ryladog> LGR: I realize for got to see that it can tale an alt - this is scrivtly a technique that cannot acceptand aly
16:28:24 <Joshue> ack Ryla
16:29:05 <Joshue> KHS: I think thats important Loretta, my question is looking at the test procedure. Why would we leave @alt out of these?
16:29:25 <Joshue> KHS: In some instances where you can't have alt thats fine.
16:29:32 <Loretta> q+
16:29:35 <JF> ack JF
16:29:48 <Joshue> KHS: But tool makers etc need to make tools that support alt, backwards compat etc.
16:30:00 <Joshue> KHS: I can't see why we would drop this.
16:30:04 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:30:04 <Zakim> I see Joshue, Loretta on the speaker queue
16:30:19 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:30:31 <Joshue> ack me
16:30:31 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say I think this use of a video element with aria-labelledby by is a valid use case
16:30:33 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:30:45 <David> q+
16:30:53 <AWK> modified Step 1 of the procedure to "Examine each element where the aria-labelledby attribute is present and the element does not support the alt attribute."
16:31:25 <Ryladog> JO: I lie the use case that is there for the developers view I think that is nice
16:31:33 <Joshue> ack lor
16:32:04 <Ryladog> s/lie/like
16:32:47 <Ryladog> LGR: We do not know when we will ever be able to document ARIA attribute over ALT
16:32:54 <Joshue> ack david
16:33:21 <Loretta> q+
16:33:35 <Ryladog> DM: I think there can be some use cases such as background images I think that is what Marc was saying back in Nov for the CSS doscussions - in the instances where ALT cannot be applied
16:33:54 <AWK> q+
16:34:17 <Ryladog> DM: The other sid e of complexity - I think we should require it where alt is available
16:34:35 <Ryladog> OJ: Does the video element accpet and alt aattribute?
16:34:40 <Ryladog> LGR: No
16:34:45 <JF> Q+ to talk about video issues
16:34:47 <Joshue> ack Loret
16:34:59 <Ryladog> JO: OK so it looks like we need this
16:35:07 <Joshue> s/accpet/accept
16:35:15 <David> john what do you think of the video... you have done a lot of work on posters
16:35:58 <Ryladog> LGR: We would not document the technique for not using ARIS techniques where ARIA is available. We would soften the failure - if ARIA is suppported.
16:36:06 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:36:06 <Zakim> I see AWK, Sailesh_Panchang, JF on the speaker queue
16:36:32 <Ryladog> LGR: What are the constratints or circumstance. We will not docuemnt any techniques in this ound of techniques
16:37:20 <Joshue> ack awk
16:37:28 <Joshue> ack sail
16:37:30 <Ryladog> JO: If this is going to be too complicated we will pull the ARIA10
16:37:43 <Joshue> ack JF
16:37:43 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to talk about video issues
16:37:56 <Ryladog> SP: Someone said that it wokred in JAWS, it did not work is JAWS I just tested it
16:38:19 <Joshue> s/wokred/worked
16:38:31 <Loretta> Summary of the outcome from last Thursdays meeting: we will not document any techniques for using aria attributes in place of or in combination with alt; we will soften the failure enough that for environments that have accessibility support for aria attributes, the failure won't be triggered.
16:38:53 <Ryladog> JF: As some may know I was on the Media Task Force, we need a lot of peices of video information from the screen. Have you looked at fog-caption. Do we need a short discription as well as  long description
16:39:05 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:39:05 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:39:16 <Ryladog> JF: These are open issues on the task force. We are looking at this - just so you know
16:39:23 <David> q+
16:39:32 <Loretta> This leaves open the issues around using aria attributes on elements that take alt. That discussion can continue, but we won't try to resolve it in the current techniques update.
16:39:54 <David> q-
16:40:00 <AWK> q+
16:40:09 <Ryladog> JO: We really want to get this draft out. I suggest we rremove ARIA10 from this iteration. If I was bold I would say go for it, but I am concerned about confusion and accessibility support
16:40:23 <David> q+
16:40:29 <Joshue> ack awk
16:40:34 <Ryladog> JO: Let us just set this for instances where ALT attributes cannot be accepted
16:41:17 <Ryladog> AWK: I makde a change in the WIKI version to change line 1 of the procediure - as what loretta agreed to at the last meeting. This is just for where ALT cannot be used
16:41:19 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:41:26 <Jon_Avila> +1
16:41:29 <AWK> +1
16:41:29 <marcjohlic> +1
16:41:33 <Ryladog> JO: Welcome James
16:41:41 <Wilco> +1
16:41:43 <Loretta> +1 , what do we also want to remove example 1?
16:41:50 <bbailey> +1
16:41:51 <David> +1 on aria 10 but -1 on f65 changes
16:41:57 <Joshue> +1
16:42:00 <Ryladog> JO: Can people agree with this suggestion from AWK
16:42:09 <Ryladog> +11
16:42:13 <Ryladog> +1
16:42:31 <Ryladog> JO: It doent worrk, but it is a nice desgn pattern
16:42:49 <Ryladog> AWK: in 6 months we can always add it back in if we want them
16:42:58 <Ryladog> s/them/then
16:43:10 <Ryladog> JO: This is a nice clean example
16:43:24 <Ryladog> JO: I suggest we drop example 1 from this techniques
16:44:07 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:44:07 <Zakim> I see David on the speaker queue
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16:44:47 <Ryladog> DM: It soundslike there are many things in flux. I think this allows us breathing room
16:45:34 <Zakim> +??P3
16:45:35 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:45:35 <Zakim> I see David on the speaker queue
16:45:38 <Joshue> ack dav
16:45:48 <Ryladog> SP: An Example doesnt work in JAWS 15
16:45:54 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:46:11 <Ryladog> AWK: I do not have complete data - I see that it is working in JAWS 14
16:46:37 <Ryladog> JO: It works in VoiceOver and WindowEyes and Talkback
16:47:59 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Drop Video example 1 from the technique of ARIA10 and accepted
16:48:40 <Ryladog> Topic: 2. Revised version of F65
16:48:41 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Aria-Edit:_F65:_Failure_of_Success_Criterion_1.1.1_due_to_omitting_the_alt_attribute_on_img_elements,_area_elements,_and_input_elements_of_type_image
16:49:19 <Ryladog> JO: Bruce, do you want to speak to your comment?
16:49:51 <Ryladog> BB: This goes back to what Loretta said that Failures are stronger than the technique. Do we want to weaken this?
16:50:11 <Ryladog> AWK: Loretta can you recap this?
16:50:21 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:50:21 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:50:45 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:50:45 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:51:31 <David> q+
16:51:52 <JF> +1 to Loretta. Choice is always good.
16:52:02 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:52:02 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:52:31 <Ryladog> LGR: The goal is to leave room for people who want to experiment with aria-labelledby. We need to be careful that you never need alt. I think that people will never use aria-labelledby if they have to also use alt
16:52:42 <Ryladog> I do not agree with that
16:53:01 <AWK> q+
16:53:23 <AWK> q-
16:53:26 <Ryladog> SP: It was this point about accessibility support - developers use this for guidance - you are putting the guidance on the developers
16:53:46 <Ryladog> SP: But I am OK
16:53:46 <Joshue> ack David
16:54:03 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:54:03 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:54:19 <Ryladog> DM: I'm looking at the language at the top - does that really cover all elements?
16:54:24 <AWK> q+ to discuss accessibility support role for techniques and support for labelledby on a mobile app as an example
16:54:33 <Loretta> q+
16:54:55 <Ryladog> DM: Is it going to cover tthe CSS coponenets I am not sure I am asking the question. Is ist widde open or is it limmeted to specific components in HTML
16:55:00 <Joshue> ack awk
16:55:00 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to discuss accessibility support role for techniques and support for labelledby on a mobile app as an example
16:55:18 <Ryladog> s/limmeted/limited
16:55:54 <Ryladog> AWK: This is a compromise of sorts. What is the goal of techniques moving forward. Accessibility support is what people always need to do for all techniques.
16:56:43 <Ryladog> AWK: You need to explicit say that developers need to ensure that their audeience is accessibility supported to be suffifcent. We have support is mobile devoces.
16:56:57 <Joshue> s/audeience/audience
16:57:09 <Joshue> ack lore
16:57:16 <Ryladog> AWK: Mobile that is a valid environment.
16:58:34 <Ryladog> LGR: Those three element types are the types that can take an alt attribute. Common failures. That is the reason we need to document. I do not think this failure that will prevent all problem
16:58:43 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:58:43 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:58:58 <David> q+ to explore "target audience"
16:59:11 <Jon_Avila> q+
17:00:04 <Ryladog> JN: I am concerned about a slippery slope of having to document all failures - because it has not been called out.
17:00:13 <Ryladog> LGR: We do not have user agent notes in failures.
17:00:29 <Ryladog> LGR: That is why we included it here
17:00:45 <Ryladog> LGR: We do include user agent notes in Technniques
17:00:56 <Joshue> ack dav
17:00:56 <Zakim> David, you wanted to explore "target audience"
17:01:42 <Loretta> Please propose better language!
17:01:56 <Ryladog> DM: Theere are some important words in these failure technniques. I see the word target audience. I see Understanding cdocumnet it only appears 1 place in the Underestanding doc and it uses this term is the exact opposite meaning
17:02:15 <Ryladog> DM: I am worried a little bit. I am not sure that this solves it
17:02:20 <Ryladog> JO: I can see that
17:02:39 <Joshue> ack Jon
17:02:44 <Ryladog> LGR: I am totally willing to have that reworded for that
17:03:09 <Ryladog> ??: I am concerned about the title of the failure.
17:03:19 <Ryladog> LGR: That is a good catch
17:03:21 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
17:03:21 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:03:56 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:04:19 <Loretta> "for the users' assistive technology' ?
17:04:41 <AWK> "Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting the alt attribute on img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image"
17:04:53 <AWK> "Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting the equivalent information on img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image"
17:05:21 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
17:05:21 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:05:33 <AWK> "Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting text equivalents for img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image"
17:05:34 <David> how about just dropping target audience... so it should be accessibility supported ...period
17:05:48 <Loretta> David, that works for me.
17:05:48 <David> q+
17:06:12 <Ryladog> zakim, +31.13.509.aaaa is probably ??
17:06:12 <Zakim> +???; got it
17:06:19 <Joshue> works for me
17:06:53 <Ryladog> DM: Want to loose the term Target audience
17:07:18 <Jon_Avila> I recommend using the term "text alternative" rather than "alt attribute" in the title of F65 -Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting text alternative on img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image
17:07:23 <Ryladog> JO: We will remove the the term Target audience formm the failure
17:08:02 <Jon_Avila> Could add the word "a".
17:09:11 <AWK> "Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting text alternatives for img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image."
17:10:45 <Ryladog> JN: alt ="" is misleading
17:11:05 <JF> Q+
17:11:20 <Jon_Avila> We could say text to title say text alternative or alt attribute
17:11:38 <Joshue> ack david
17:11:48 <Joshue> ack JF
17:12:12 <Jon_Avila> q+
17:12:14 <Joshue> +1 to JF
17:12:25 <AWK> "Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting information about alternative text for img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image."
17:12:33 <Ryladog> JF: I want to say for accessibility specialist - if we are text alternative - technically it is not incorrect.
17:13:28 <Ryladog> LGR: Text alternative 1.1.1 doesnt use text alternative so braodly
17:13:40 <David> Aria-Edit: F65: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting text alternatives for img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image that are not pure decoration
17:14:01 <Ryladog> JO: Could we put something into the failure about what alt is
17:14:08 <Joshue> ack jon
17:14:17 <Ryladog> LGR: Th is is just how are we going to define the title
17:14:25 <Ryladog> JN: what is we use both
17:14:27 <Joshue> ack jame
17:14:56 <Ryladog> s/Th/The
17:15:36 <Jon_Avila> My recommendation Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting the alt attribute or text alternative on img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image
17:16:13 <Ryladog> JN: and or or
17:16:40 <Ryladog> [Many agree with 'or']
17:16:51 <Ryladog> +1
17:16:55 <Zakim> -JF
17:17:00 <Joshue> +1
17:17:01 <Jon_Avila> +1
17:17:41 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Aria-Edit:_F65:_Failure_of_Success_Criterion_1.1.1_due_to_omitting_text_alternatives_for_img_elements,_area_elements,_and_input_elements_of_type_image
17:18:22 <Joshue> RESOLUTION: Title change of F65 to "Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to omitting text equivalents for img elements, area elements, and input elements of type image"
17:18:57 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept F65 as amended in this meeting
17:20:03 <Ryladog> [Defer: 3. LC-2880: This technique should be a failure technique and 4]
17:20:23 <Ryladog> Topic: 5. Git Pull request 9: Less Latin
17:20:39 <Ryladog> AWK: Will amend to remove..
17:21:03 <Ryladog> Topic: 6. Git Pull request 8: Additional example for ARIA9
17:21:25 <Ryladog> JO: They got merger - I would like to accept abd leave it open
17:21:44 <Ryladog> JO: I could pass on to the commentor
17:22:09 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Leave OPEN Topic: 6. Git Pull request 8: Additional example for ARIA
17:22:28 <Ryladog> Topic: 7. REDO: LC-2895: Add "Techniques for Specific Technologies"
17:22:49 <Ryladog> AWK: I discussed this with Shawn concerning the EO comment. We should leave it open
17:23:00 <Ryladog> AWK: Should we role back?
17:23:17 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
17:23:17 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:23:17 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Leave OPEN Topic: LC-2895: Add "Techniques for Specific Technologies"
17:23:47 <Ryladog> ACTION: Andrew to verify that no change was made to the source docs for LC-2895
17:23:47 <trackbot> 'Andrew' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., akirkpat2, alahart).
17:24:12 <Ryladog> ACTION: AWK to verify that no change was made to the source docs for LC-2895
17:24:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Verify that no change was made to the source docs for lc-2895 [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2014-03-04].
17:24:13 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
17:24:13 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
17:24:14 <Zakim> 1. discuss ARIA10/F65 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/imagediscussmtg/results [from AWK]
17:24:14 <Zakim> 2. Misc survey for February 25th, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140225/ [from AWK]
17:24:14 <Zakim> 3. Approval to publish techniques and understanding documents [from AWK]
17:24:29 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:24:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "discuss ARIA10/F65 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/imagediscussmtg/results" taken up [from AWK]
17:24:47 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:24:47 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Ryladog
17:24:51 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
17:24:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Ryladog
17:25:04 <Ryladog> AWK: We have to update all of our dead links
17:25:26 <MichaelC> ack me
17:25:47 <Ryladog> AWK: Micheal_Cooper sent out an email on that. We have the current Editors Draft - we would like to ask the group for permission to publish on March 4th
17:26:48 <Ryladog> MC: the current draft has the User Agent Notes that is moved off to a seperate document  - to make it easier to update the information as we have thinsg like JF group doing testing we can update User agnet notes
17:27:08 <Joshue> s/thinsg/things
17:27:15 <Ryladog> AWK: there are still a couple of lnks to fix and the upadyes we discussed to day?
17:27:18 <Joshue> s/agnet/agent
17:27:30 <Ryladog> AWK: Is there any comments about publishing March 4th
17:27:53 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: To Publish the latest Editors Draft on March 4th with the discussed edits today
17:28:19 <Ryladog> JO: We will move the remaining items to next week
17:28:42 <Zakim> -MichelC
17:28:48 <Ryladog> Topic: CSUN
17:29:21 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:29:23 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:29:24 <Zakim> -Sailesh_Panchang
17:29:25 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:29:25 <Zakim> -???
17:29:26 <Ryladog> AWK: Maybe the hours will be 9 to 5 and maybe finish at 6 and have dinner at 7. But maybe we will finish at 5 and still have dinner at 7
17:29:27 <Zakim> -Jon_Avila
17:29:27 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
17:29:28 <Zakim> -AWK
17:29:28 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:29:30 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:29:35 <sailesh> sailesh has left #wai-wcag
17:29:36 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper.a
17:30:18 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
17:30:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:34:29 <Ryladog> Attendees: Sailesh_Panchang, Loretta, Jon_Avila, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, John_Foliot, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, James_Nurthen, Joshue_O'Conner, Bruce_Bailey, +31.13.509.aaaa, Micheal_Cooper,
17:35:03 <Ryladog> s/pahes/pages
17:35:40 <Ryladog> s/aria-labellb/aria-labelledby/G
17:36:10 <Ryladog> s/noot/not/G
17:36:39 <Ryladog> s/diff/different/G
17:38:04 <Ryladog> s/siince/since/G
17:38:19 <Ryladog> s/videp/video
17:38:41 <Ryladog> s/Macdevice/Mac device/G
17:38:58 <Ryladog> s/wwant/want/G
17:39:23 <Ryladog> s/epansie/expansive/g
17:39:44 <Ryladog> s/soundslike/sounds like
17:40:11 <Ryladog> s/kaes/keen
17:40:35 <Ryladog> s/everyh]where/everywhere
17:41:01 <Ryladog> s/woth/with/G
17:41:39 <Ryladog> s/scrivtly/strictly/g
17:42:12 <Ryladog> s/compat/compatability/g
17:42:34 <Ryladog> s/lie/like/G
17:42:56 <Ryladog> s/sid e/side
17:43:19 <Ryladog> s/accpet/accept/G
17:43:33 <Ryladog> s/aattribute/attribute
17:43:55 <Ryladog> s/ARIS/ARIA/G
17:44:33 <Ryladog> s/fog-caption/fig-caption
17:44:55 <Ryladog> s/rremove/remove/G
17:45:23 <Ryladog> s/makde/made/G
17:46:30 <Ryladog> s/tthe/the/G
17:46:54 <Ryladog> s/devoces/devices
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17:47:28 <Ryladog> s/cdocumnet/document/G
17:47:58 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
17:47:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:48:53 <Ryladog> trackbot, status?
17:49:10 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make log public
17:49:18 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
17:49:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:49:30 <Ryladog> zakim, please part
17:49:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were dshkolnik, AWK, Joshue, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, Sailesh_Panchang, Michael_Cooper, Jon_Avila, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
17:49:30 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-wcag
17:49:34 <Zakim> ... JF, Loretta, MichelC, James_Nurthen, ???
17:49:41 <Ryladog> zakim, bye
17:50:01 <Ryladog> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:50:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:53:31 <Ryladog> + dshkolnik, AWK, Joshue_OConner, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, Sailesh_Panchang, Michael_Cooper, Jon_Avila, Katie_Haritos-Shea, John_Foliot, Loretta, MichelC, James_Nurthen,
17:54:09 <Ryladog> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:54:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:55:16 <Ryladog> + Loretta
17:55:54 <Ryladog> + John_Foliot
17:56:03 <Ryladog> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:56:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:56:39 <Ryladog> +John_Foliot
17:56:45 <Ryladog> +Loretta
17:56:59 <Ryladog> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:56:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:58:05 <Ryladog> Attendees: Sailesh_Panchang, Loretta, Jon_Avila, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, John_Foliot, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, James_Nurthen, Joshue_O'Conner, Bruce_Bailey, dshkolnik, Micheal_Cooper,
17:58:20 <Ryladog> rrsagent, please part
17:58:20 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
17:58:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andrew to verify that no change was made to the source docs for LC-2895 [1]
17:58:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T17-23-47
17:58:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AWK to verify that no change was made to the source docs for LC-2895 [2]
17:58:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T17-24-12