16:01:27 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 16:01:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-i18n-irc 16:01:31 Zakim has joined #i18n 16:01:36 trackbot, prepare teleconference 16:01:38 RRSAgent, make logs world 16:01:40 Zakim, this will be 4186 16:01:40 ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now 16:01:41 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 16:01:41 Date: 20 February 2014 16:01:50 zakim, this will be i18n 16:01:50 ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM already started 16:01:54 zakim, dial richard 16:01:54 ok, r12a; the call is being made 16:01:55 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Feb/0018.html 16:01:56 +Richard 16:02:01 Chair: Addison Phillips 16:02:05 Scribe: Addison Phillips 16:02:09 ScribeNick: aphillip 16:02:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:02:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 16:02:15 John_C_Klensin has joined #i18n 16:02:21 zakim, who is here? 16:02:21 On the phone I see aphillip, ??P3, Richard 16:02:22 On IRC I see John_C_Klensin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, matial, r12a, trackbot 16:02:28 zakim, ??P3 is matial 16:02:28 +matial; got it 16:02:48 agenda+ RADAR 16:02:58 agenda+ HTML5 caseless matching 16:03:07 agenda+ HTML5 review 16:03:08 + +1.617.491.aaaa 16:03:31 zakim, +1.617.491.aaaa is John_C_Kleinsin 16:03:31 +John_C_Kleinsin; got it 16:03:50 zakim, who's noisy? 16:03:56 zakim, John_C_Kleinsin is John_C_Klensin 16:03:56 +John_C_Klensin; got it 16:04:01 r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: matial (68%), John_C_Kleinsin (32%) 16:04:03 zakim, who is here? 16:04:03 On the phone I see aphillip, matial, Richard, John_C_Klensin 16:04:04 On IRC I see John_C_Klensin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, matial, r12a, trackbot 16:04:07 zakim, mute mati 16:04:07 matial should now be muted 16:05:16 Topic: Agenda 16:05:18 agenda? 16:05:56 zakim, unmute me 16:05:56 matial should no longer be muted 16:06:09 Topic: Action Items 16:06:16 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open 16:07:46 action-149? 16:07:46 action-149 -- Norbert Lindenberg to Draft a proposal for adding time zone IDs to HTML5 -- due 2012-09-26 -- OPEN 16:07:46 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/149 16:07:55 move to addison 16:09:32 close ACTION-286 16:09:32 Closed ACTION-286. 16:09:44 richard: one outstanding new issue though 16:10:03 ... something about japanese 16:10:38 ... got spec changed to match hebrew implementations (thanks mati) 16:10:56 ... but all of the japanese implementations are (consistently) out by one or two charactes 16:11:00 ... change to match? 16:12:19 ... rare characters at the end of hiragana, so all items out after 48 16:12:33 ... same with iroha set 16:13:11 addison: ask people we know and report back ;-) 16:13:56 Topic: Info Share 16:14:12 richard: tests 16:14:29 http://www.w3.org/International/tests/ 16:14:30 ... contemplating changing so we don't rely on w3c framework/server 16:14:42 richard: above link, now done 16:14:59 ... click on tests. table on right has results 16:15:09 ... don't go to test framework server any more 16:15:18 ... link on left shows test in test runner 16:15:29 ... and click on "score" you can score it 16:15:44 ... and when done do "show results", copy to email and send to me 16:16:27 agenda? 16:16:52 richard: watch inboxes for announcement about Unicode 7.0 coming soon 16:16:59 zakim, take up agendum 1 16:16:59 agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip] 16:17:01 http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar 16:17:33 richard: Aolita Sharma to give keynote at ML workshop in May 16:19:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2014JanMar/0022.html 16:19:53 1. Section 3.6 "Positioning Images", the keywords "left" and "right" are defined but not the direction independent "start" and "end" keywords. 16:20:33 2. Section 4. There are a number of border-left-* and border-right-* properties. (See above). 16:20:41 There is no mention of bidi other than a note about breaks in fragmented borders (section 7.1), so it's not clear how left/right interact with RTL. 16:21:04 richard: +1 16:22:20 action: addison: create comments on borders/backgrounds in tracker and forward to CSS WG 16:22:20 Created ACTION-288 - Create comments on borders/backgrounds in tracker and forward to css wg [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-27]. 16:23:08 richard: the containing element would determine start/end, that is, the outer element, not the styled element 16:23:36 agree 16:23:53 agenda? 16:24:02 zakim, take up agendum 2 16:24:02 agendum 2. "HTML5 caseless matching" taken up [from aphillip] 16:24:11 https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CaseForCaselessHTML 16:25:21 addison: focused on fragments 16:27:16 http://www.inter-locale.com/test/html-caseless-test.html#GR%C3%BCN 16:31:25 -matial 16:32:27 +??P3 16:32:35 zakim, ??p3 is me 16:32:35 +matial; got it 16:33:09 richard: bug about three things 16:33:29 ... 1. radio buttons (which is a different and probably less interesting case: do case sensitive?) 16:33:42 ... 2. fragment identifiers 16:33:50 ... 3. should fragments be case sensitive at all 16:35:22 richard: same rule for @id as for radio button names 16:37:15 and 16:37:38 addison: split off radio buttons 16:38:24 richard: can't predict how typed 16:38:34 ... looser than codepoint by codepoint? 16:38:43 ... but not compatibility decompositions 16:39:27 zakim, who is here? 16:39:27 On the phone I see aphillip, Richard, John_C_Klensin, matial 16:39:28 On IRC I see John_C_Klensin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, matial, r12a, trackbot 16:40:21 john: agree that compatibility decomposition should be discouraged 16:40:57 action: addison: split off radio button comment and update bug 16970 16:40:57 Created ACTION-289 - Split off radio button comment and update bug 16970 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-27]. 16:41:16 agenda 16:41:19 agenda? 16:41:24 zakim, take up agendum 3 16:41:24 agendum 3. "HTML5 review" taken up [from aphillip] 16:41:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2014JanMar/0024.html 16:42:35 addison: suggest that you review all "suggest close" items 16:43:10 I18N-ISSUE-78: tracker confused and not actually fixed 16:43:10 Notes added to I18N-ISSUE-78 Spellchecking in editors and sc services. 16:44:53 richard: some still pending until rb is actually in the spec (need implementations) 16:48:21 ISSUE-30: allow 'utf-16' in charset declarations. wontfix. Last commenter suggested we reopen. 16:48:21 Notes added to ISSUE-30 Allow utf-16 meta encoding declarations. 16:49:42 ISSUE-84: BCE month representation. Wontfix. Consider in WG. 16:49:42 Notes added to ISSUE-84 Representing BCE months. 16:50:53 addison: only goes back to january 1 AD in gregorian 16:51:27 ... was pre-gregorian 16:53:37 addison; be satisfied? 16:53:58 jck: retitle and document for the future 16:54:43 ISSUE-87: leap seconds not allowed. Wontfix. Consider in WG. 16:54:43 Notes added to ISSUE-87 Leap seconds. 16:58:21 addison: better for people who are customers of this to raise it than for us to be their proxhy 16:58:54 ISSUE-123? 16:58:54 ISSUE-123 -- Insertion of U+202C -- open 16:58:54 http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/123 17:00:57 -John_C_Klensin 17:01:02 -aphillip 17:01:03 John_C_Klensin has left #i18n 17:01:07 Suggestion for issue-123: any end tag for a run of phrasing content must be treated as if as many U+202C had been inserted at that point as needed for closing open embeddings and overrides. 17:01:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 17:01:37 Topic: AOB? 17:01:42 -matial 17:01:45 rrsagent, make minutes 17:01:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 17:01:56 Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, JohnK 17:02:00 rrsagent, make minutes 17:02:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 17:35:01 disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM 17:35:02 I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended 17:35:02 Attendees were aphillip, Richard, matial, John_C_Klensin