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13:57:19 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:57:19 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:57:20 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has now started
13:57:21 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:58:00 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
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13:58:16 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:58:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki
13:58:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, kaz, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
13:58:30 <jcverdie> regrets+ jcverdie
13:58:35 <MarkS> present+ Wu Wei
13:59:06 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:59:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki
13:59:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, kaz, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
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13:59:30 <kaz> Present: Kaz, Mark_Sadecki(observer), Wu_Wei(observer)
13:59:36 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:00:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki
14:00:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bin_Hu, jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, kaz, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
14:00:19 <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
14:00:36 <Zakim> +??P7
14:00:42 <ddavis> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:00:42 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
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14:02:55 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
14:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki, Bin_Hu, ddavis
14:02:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see CyrilRa, wuwei, kaz_, kaz, Bin_Hu, jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
14:03:00 <Zakim> +CyrilRa
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14:03:24 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
14:03:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki, Bin_Hu, ddavis, CyrilRa
14:03:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see skim13, CyrilRa, wuwei, kaz_, kaz, Bin_Hu, jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
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14:03:58 <kaz_> Present+ Bin, Daniel, Cyril
14:04:13 <kaz_> Meeting: Web and TV Media TF call
14:04:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:05:16 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is Giuseppe
14:05:16 <Zakim> +Giuseppe; got it
14:05:18 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here
14:05:18 <Zakim> giuseppep, you need to end that query with '?'
14:05:20 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
14:05:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki, Bin_Hu, ddavis, CyrilRa, Giuseppe
14:05:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see giuseppep, skim13, CyrilRa, wuwei, kaz_, kaz, Bin_Hu, jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
14:05:35 <kaz> zakim, Giuseppe is giuseppep
14:05:36 <Zakim> +giuseppep; got it
14:06:03 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
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14:07:03 <giuseppep> yes it's just you
14:07:13 <kaz> topic: action items
14:07:17 <kaz> action-178?
14:07:17 <trackbot> action-178 -- Giuseppe Pascale to Start editing a req. document for this tf -- due 2013-12-18 -- OPEN
14:07:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/178
14:07:21 <kaz> bin: closed
14:07:25 <kaz> close action-178
14:07:25 <trackbot> Closed action-178.
14:07:30 <MarkS> agenda+ Feedback from WAI
14:07:35 <Zakim> -ddavis
14:08:02 <kaz> zakim, action-179?
14:08:02 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, kaz.
14:08:04 <Zakim> +??P7
14:08:07 <kaz> bin: closed
14:08:08 <ddavis> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:08:08 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
14:08:19 <kaz> close action-178
14:08:19 <trackbot> Closed action-178.
14:08:22 <kaz> close action-179
14:08:22 <trackbot> Closed action-179.
14:08:30 <kaz> action-179?
14:08:30 <trackbot> action-179 -- Bin Hu to Prepare a strawman gap analysis -- due 2013-12-18 -- CLOSED
14:08:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/179
14:08:35 <kaz> action-180?
14:08:35 <trackbot> action-180 -- Jean-Charles Verdie to Ping giuseppe to update ai 125 -- due 2014-01-29 -- OPEN
14:08:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/180
14:08:46 <kaz> bin: should be closed as well
14:08:53 <kaz> close action-180
14:08:53 <trackbot> Closed action-180.
14:09:16 <kaz> action-182?
14:09:16 <trackbot> action-182 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Discuss with jc, bin about the details of how to create the cg -- due 2014-01-29 -- OPEN
14:09:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/182
14:09:39 <kaz> action-184?
14:09:39 <trackbot> action-184 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Create a wiki page to gather new ideas for the next round of the tf -- due 2014-01-29 -- OPEN
14:09:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/184
14:09:43 <kaz> action-185?
14:09:43 <trackbot> action-185 -- Daniel Davis to Put scope of tuner api into task force wiki. -- due 2014-02-12 -- OPEN
14:09:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/185
14:09:47 <kaz> kaz: ongoing
14:09:48 <ddavis> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Requirements#Tuner_Control
14:10:32 <kaz> ddavis: where is the best place for the tuner discussion?
14:10:45 <kaz> ... a separate page?  or just a section?
14:10:56 <kaz> bin: looking at the wiki
14:11:13 <giuseppep> daniel: we can hear you
14:11:16 <Zakim> +??P16
14:11:32 <Zakim> -ddavis
14:12:22 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:12:27 <ddavis> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:12:27 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
14:12:37 <kaz> giuseppep: should remove the comment from the "requirement"
14:12:48 <kaz> ... the requirement section itself is fine
14:13:00 <kaz> ... can be done on another page, though
14:13:24 <kaz> bin: ok
14:13:42 <kaz> ... so our suggestion is creating a separate wiki page and remove the comments
14:13:47 <kaz> ddavis: will do
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14:16:01 <kaz> kaz: difference between action-184 and this topic?
14:16:01 <kaz> bin: 184 is new use cases
14:16:06 <kaz> ... 185 is tuner api requirements
14:16:16 <kaz> kaz: got it
14:18:08 <kaz> topic: review the strawman IG Note
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14:18:57 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2014Feb/att-0004/mediareq-src.html giuseppe's writeup
14:19:37 <Zakim> +sheau
14:20:01 <kaz> giuseppep: cross reference for use cases and requirments
14:20:04 <kaz> present+ Sheau
14:20:11 <kaz> ... gap analysis
14:20:14 <kaz> ... and next steps
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14:21:02 <kaz> bin: (other) WGs are generating actual specs
14:21:26 <kaz> q+
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14:22:25 <kaz> kaz: how to deal with the Google spreadsheet?
14:23:02 <kaz> giuseppep: can convert it to gain a file
14:23:16 <kaz> kaz: an HTML file?
14:23:27 <kaz> giuseppep: not sure
14:23:32 <kaz> ... might be a PDF file
14:24:01 <kaz> action: giuseppep to convert the Google spreadsheet of UC/REQ to a static file
14:24:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Convert the google spreadsheet of uc/req to a static file [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2014-02-26].
14:24:25 <kaz> [MarkS mentions it would be better to have an HTML version for accessibility purposes]
14:24:45 <kaz> giuseppep: what about gap analysis?
14:24:59 <kaz> bin: comments section of the Google spreadsheet
14:24:59 <ddavis> q+
14:25:04 <kaz> ack k
14:25:18 <kaz> -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE#gid=0 Google spreadsheet
14:25:49 <kaz> ddavis: tuner API is the only big topic, and the others are rather small changes to the existing specs?
14:26:18 <kaz> giuseppep: still need description on what the gaps are
14:26:56 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
14:26:56 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
14:27:16 <kaz> bin: how to track who gave comments?
14:27:25 <kaz> kaz: maybe can track Tracker?
14:27:25 <ddavis> zakim, who is noisy?
14:27:31 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
14:27:37 <Zakim> ddavis, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mark_Sadecki (4%), giuseppep (42%), ??P16 (46%)
14:27:42 <kaz> zakim, mute ??P16
14:27:42 <Zakim> ??P16 should now be muted
14:27:49 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: giuseppep (81%), ??P16 (25%)
14:28:37 <Geun_Hyung_Kim> I am sure..
14:28:56 <kaz> zakim, ?P16 is Geun_Hyung_Kim
14:28:56 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named '?P16'
14:28:56 <Geun_Hyung_Kim> How to mute my call ?
14:29:02 <kaz> zakim, ??P16 is Geun_Hyung_Kim
14:29:03 <Zakim> +Geun_Hyung_Kim; got it
14:29:09 <kaz> present+ Geun
14:30:20 <kaz> bin: IG participants should take action to clarify the gaps
14:30:29 <kaz> ... if there is no motivation, we can close that gap
14:30:33 <kaz> giuseppep: make sense
14:30:42 <kaz> ... what's next then?
14:30:57 <kaz> bin: the next steps section
14:31:01 <whyun> zakim, who is here?
14:31:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, Geun_Hyung_Kim (muted), ddavis (muted), sheau
14:31:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Geun_Hyung_Kim, wuwei, Sheau, whyun, kaz, giuseppep, skim13, CyrilRa, kaz_, Bin_Hu, jcverdie, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
14:31:06 <giuseppep> s/we can close the gap/ we will not follow up on the gap/
14:32:33 <kaz> bin: we can suggest interested parties can do that
14:32:41 <kaz> ... because there is an expected CG
14:33:32 <kaz> ... the conclusion of this report itself is "Gap Analysis"
14:34:31 <kaz> giuseppep: regarding the topic on tuner APIs, we'll form a CG?
14:35:09 <kaz> bin: we can describe action items of the IG or the TF
14:35:23 <kaz> q?
14:35:23 <ddavis> q+
14:35:30 <ddavis> zakim, unmute me
14:35:30 <Zakim> ddavis should no longer be muted
14:35:36 <kaz> present+ Whyun
14:36:03 <kaz> bin: what about saying "interest parties may take responsibility"
14:36:25 <kaz> ... "and the TF initiating a CG"
14:36:47 <ddavis> ack ddavis
14:36:48 <kaz> ... discussion on scope of the CG
14:37:04 <kaz> ... can generate some initial draft text
14:37:10 <kaz> giuseppep: work with you
14:37:23 <kaz> action: bin to generate initial draft text for the "Next Steps" section
14:37:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Generate initial draft text for the "next steps" section [on Bin Hu - due 2014-02-26].
14:37:45 <kaz> bin: any other question?
14:38:30 <kaz> ddavis: anybody can create a CG, but this time we encourage strong relationship between this IG and the new CG
14:38:52 <kaz> ... can mention "related CGs" on the IG page
14:39:36 <kaz> ... btw, what about adding links to related specs?
14:40:06 <kaz> action: giuseppep to add links to related specs in the table
14:40:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Add links to related specs in the table [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2014-02-26].
14:40:31 <kaz> topic: Mark from the W3C Team
14:40:42 <kaz> mark: WAI contact
14:40:52 <kaz> ... having Wu Wei as well
14:41:00 <kaz> ... TV accessibility
14:41:27 <kaz> ... Judy asks us to join this call to talk about accessibility requirements
14:42:03 <kaz> ... most of the use cases applied to people with disability too
14:42:10 <kaz> ... HTML5 is designed to be accessibility
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14:42:23 <kaz> ... second screen offers unique opportunity
14:42:33 <kaz> ... very exciting
14:42:52 <kaz> ... one thing I was wondering is
14:43:03 <kaz> ... mentioning accessibility guidelines
14:43:32 <kaz> ... visual impairment and descriptive video
14:43:47 <kaz> ... headphones can provide audio description
14:44:09 <kaz> ... one little use case I came up with
14:44:30 <kaz> ... wanted to attend today to see what the best way for the collaboration would be
14:44:45 <kaz> bin: tx for you comments
14:44:59 <kaz> ... accessibility is important due to law as well
14:45:47 <kaz> ... we can add a new section for accessibility
14:46:12 <kaz> ... e.g., compliance to accessibility guidelines
14:46:24 <ddavis> q+
14:46:56 <kaz> ... for the future work during the second round
14:47:25 <kaz> ... whoever contributes new use cases can provide accessibility scenario as well
14:47:42 <kaz> ... also would suggest you attend this call regularly
14:48:03 <kaz> q?
14:48:38 <kaz> mark: that's wonderful if you can accessibility guidelines in the Note
14:48:59 <kaz> giuseppep: this Note itself is just the result of our own discussion
14:49:28 <kaz> mark: we'd love to participate in the discussion
14:49:36 <kaz> ... WAI also has its Media TF
14:49:46 <kaz> ... will bring this information to the WAI Media TF
14:50:03 <kaz> q+
14:50:23 <kaz> action: bin work with MarkS about how to deal with accessibility guidelines in the Note
14:50:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Work with marks about how to deal with accessibility guidelines in the note [on Bin Hu - due 2014-02-26].
14:50:36 <kaz> ack d
14:50:52 <kaz> ddavis: this TF is working on the second iteration
14:51:10 <kaz> ... we can add new use cases
14:51:25 <kaz> ... to cover accessibility
14:51:35 <kaz> ... or extension to the existing use cases
14:51:45 <kaz> mark: universal disability is not the target
14:52:14 <kaz> ... lot of use cases we could create to benefit people
14:52:22 <kaz> ... use cases for supporting caption
14:52:39 <kaz> ... not disturb people
14:52:52 <kaz> bin: what the concrete titles?
14:53:13 <kaz> mark: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines/User Agent Accessibility Guideline
14:53:15 <kaz> q?
14:54:03 <kaz> kaz: Daniel and myself will talk with MarkS and Wu_Wei a bit more offline
14:54:03 <kaz> ack k
14:54:07 <kaz> bin: any other business for today?
14:54:10 <kaz> (nothing)
14:54:32 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:54:42 <Zakim> -sheau
14:54:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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14:54:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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14:55:12 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:55:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Geun_Hyung_Kim (muted), ddavis
14:55:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see wuwei, Geun_Hyung_Kim, Sheau, whyun, kaz, giuseppep, skim13, CyrilRa, kaz_, Bin_Hu, RRSAgent, ddavis, Zakim, MarkS, schuki, tobie__, timeless, trackbot
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14:55:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Mark_Sadecki, Bin_Hu, ddavis, CyrilRa, giuseppep, sheau, Geun_Hyung_Kim
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