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14:26:02 <sharper_> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:26:02 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:26:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:26:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:26:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:26:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:26:06 <trackbot> Date: 19 February 2014
14:26:41 <sharper_> Chair: Harper_Simon
14:26:41 <sharper_> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:26:43 <sharper_> 	Create survey for feedback on accreditation write-up
14:26:44 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/44 [sharper]
14:26:46 <sharper_> 	Update taar as discussed
14:26:47 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/46 [david]
14:26:49 <sharper_> 	Complete feedback on metrics research report
14:26:50 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/47 [shadi]
14:26:52 <sharper_> 	Update the group on the next topic
14:26:53 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/53 [markku]
14:26:55 <sharper_> 	Complete feedback on mobile research report
14:26:56 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/48 [shadi]
14:26:58 <sharper_> 	'create text for flyer'
14:26:59 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/38 [sharper]
14:27:01 <sharper_> 	E2R Look Over Changes
14:27:02 <sharper_> Agenda+ https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/55 [sharper]
14:27:04 <sharper_> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [sharper]
14:27:05 <sharper_> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
14:27:05 <sharper_> Agenda+ STANDING - Any Other Business [sharper]
14:27:09 <sharper_> zakim, save agenda
14:27:16 <Zakim> ok, sharper_, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-rd-agenda.rdf
14:27:18 <sharper_> zakim, take up item 1
14:27:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
14:27:58 <sharper_> regrets: Silvia, Yehya, Annika, Markel, Yeliz, klaus
14:28:21 <sharper_> zakim, close item 1
14:28:21 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
14:28:21 <sharper_> zakim, take up item 2
14:28:23 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:28:23 <Zakim> 2. https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/44 [from sharper via sharper_]
14:28:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/44" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
14:31:17 <giorgio> giorgio has joined #rd
14:31:21 <sloandr> sloandr has joined #rd
14:31:29 <Vivienne> Vivienne has joined #rd
14:32:02 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:32:09 <Zakim> +??P22
14:32:25 <sharper_> zakim, ??P22 is sharper
14:32:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:32:27 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:32:29 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:32:29 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:32:30 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:32:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:32:38 <Zakim> +??P24
14:32:39 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
14:32:40 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:32:47 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:32:47 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:32:53 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
14:33:06 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:33:07 <giorgio> zakim, ??P24 is me
14:33:07 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
14:33:14 <Vivienne> Hi all
14:33:15 <sloandr> vivienne, I think you are IPcaller and I'm IPcaller.a?
14:33:28 <Vivienne> oops, how we do fix this?
14:34:11 <Vivienne> zakim, unmute me
14:34:11 <Zakim> Vivienne should no longer be muted
14:34:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:35:02 <Justin> Justin has joined #rd
14:35:32 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see sharper, [IPcaller], Vivienne, Shadi, giorgio, [IPcaller.a]
14:35:56 <Vivienne> 41#
14:36:39 <Zakim> +Markku
14:37:36 <shadi> zakim, Vivienne is sloandr
14:37:36 <Zakim> +sloandr; got it
14:37:45 <Zakim> -Markku
14:37:46 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Vivienne
14:37:47 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:38:06 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Justin
14:38:06 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
14:38:11 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller.a is Justin
14:38:11 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
14:38:22 <Zakim> +Markku
14:38:26 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:38:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see sharper, Vivienne, sloandr, Shadi, giorgio, Justin, Markku
14:38:31 <shadi> queue=
14:38:36 <sharper_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes
14:38:39 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
14:38:39 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
14:38:41 <Zakim> -Markku
14:38:54 <giorgio> I can do that
14:39:03 <giorgio> scribe giorgio
14:39:08 <sharper_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing
14:39:10 <Zakim> +Markku
14:39:38 <giorgio> zakim, take item 1
14:39:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take item 1', giorgio
14:39:53 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen has joined #rd
14:39:54 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 1
14:39:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
14:40:03 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 2
14:40:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/44" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
14:40:48 <giorgio> sh: we're waiting for people to complete the survey until Friday
14:40:55 <Vivienne> q+
14:41:00 <sharper_> ack v
14:41:52 <giorgio> zakim, close item 2
14:41:52 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:41:53 <Zakim> agendum 2, https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/44, closed
14:41:53 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:53 <Zakim> 3. https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/46 [from david via sharper_]
14:41:53 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:42:00 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 3
14:42:00 <Zakim> agendum 3. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/46" taken up [from david via sharper_]
14:42:13 <sloandr> zakime, ack me
14:42:24 <sloandr> zakim, ack me
14:42:24 <Zakim> unmuting sloandr
14:42:25 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:43:09 <giorgio> david: this week he wiell work on it
14:43:18 <giorgio> s/wiell/will/
14:43:55 <giorgio> sh: any comment?
14:44:04 <giorgio> zakim, close item 3
14:44:04 <Zakim> agendum 3, https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/46, closed
14:44:05 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:44:05 <Zakim> 4. https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/47 [from shadi via sharper_]
14:44:23 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 4
14:44:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/47" taken up [from shadi via sharper_]
14:44:55 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
14:44:55 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
14:45:02 <giorgio> shadi: please add also titles in the agenda
14:45:23 <giorgio> shadi: I'm still waiting for feedback.
14:45:30 <giorgio> shadi: I hope in 2 weeks to be done.
14:45:37 <giorgio> zakim, close item 4
14:45:37 <Zakim> agendum 4, https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/47, closed
14:45:39 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:45:39 <Zakim> 5. https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/53 [from markku via sharper_]
14:46:23 <giorgio> markku: met with Gerardo ? and had discussions. Workload is pretty heavy.
14:46:40 <giorgio> markku: this week I'll have a talk and discuss next steps
14:46:47 <shadi> q+
14:47:10 <giorgio> markku: interesting discussions on SVG accessibility; good use cases
14:47:18 <sharper_> ack s
14:47:27 <shadi> ack me
14:47:59 <giorgio> shadi: really interesting. glad that you guys are able to do that despite you being so busy.
14:48:25 <mhakkinen> +q
14:48:43 <sharper_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Step-by-Step_Guide_for_Symposium_Chairs/Editors
14:48:52 <giorgio> shadi: simon do you have the time table for the sympoosium?
14:49:02 <sharper_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Symposium_Timeline_Calculator
14:49:08 <sharper_> ack m
14:49:36 <giorgio> markku: if we find additional staff helping us do we have to add to the WG?
14:50:14 <giorgio> shadi: if they join then they can more easily access the RDWG resourses, it really depends on you
14:50:40 <giorgio> markku: let's do an update next week
14:50:45 <giorgio> simon: any comments?
14:51:02 <giorgio> zakim, ctake up item 6
14:51:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ctake up item 6', giorgio
14:51:07 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 6
14:51:07 <Zakim> agendum 6. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/48" taken up [from shadi via sharper_]
14:51:57 <giorgio> shadi: one issue is the use of "situational disabilities" vs "sit. limitations", I'd like Shawn to comment that directly
14:52:38 <giorgio> shadi: it's a term being used in different areas, but I think I would prfer the term "sit. limitations" instead of "S.D."
14:53:08 <giorgio> simon: the term situational impairment was the term originally coined
14:54:02 <sharper_> [Sears et al., 2003] Sears, A., Lin, M., Jacko, J., and Xiao, Y. (2003). When Computers Fade...Pervasive Computing and Situationally-Induced Impairments and Disabilities, pages 1298–1302. Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, Hillsdale.
14:54:05 <giorgio> shadi: sit. imp. is different than sit. disability, but overall I'm trying to collect all these terms and then discuss with colleagues on all of them
14:54:24 <giorgio> shadi: in two weeks
14:54:40 <giorgio> zakim, take up next item
14:54:40 <Zakim> agendum 5. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/53" taken up [from markku]
14:54:42 <shadi> s/these terms/the different comments
14:54:44 <giorgio> zakim, take up next item
14:54:45 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, giorgio
14:54:50 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 7
14:54:50 <Zakim> agendum 7. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/38" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
14:55:37 <giorgio> simon: shadi, what do you think we can do here?
14:55:40 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/rdsymposia
14:56:41 <giorgio> shadi: the symposia homepage (including the BC of the RDWG) is the page meant for the public
14:57:33 <giorgio> shadi: if anybody has suggestions on how to improve this page is welcome
14:58:06 <giorgio> shadi: maybe a QR code for this page could help, to disseminate this page
14:58:36 <sloandr> q+
14:58:47 <giorgio> simon: I just made the QR from google and   will send it
14:59:27 <sloandr> zakim, ack me
14:59:27 <Zakim> unmuting sloandr
14:59:28 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:59:33 <sharper_> ack d
14:59:36 <giorgio> simon: when do you want to do this flyer?
14:59:53 <giorgio> david: +1 it's important to show people what we did so far
15:00:21 <giorgio> david: we need also something that says "how can I be involved?"; a call-for-action is missing from the page
15:00:47 <giorgio> david: we'd like other people to join us and contribute, and this could one way to achieve that
15:01:50 <giorgio> david: we want to reduce possible barriers that people can perceive to join/help us
15:02:17 <giorgio> shadi: at the bottom we have something, but I agree with you.
15:03:16 <giorgio> shadi: on the other hand we never rejected anybody and in fact we've invited many experts but there is a balance that we need to maintain wrt w3c criteria/policy
15:03:39 <giorgio> shadi: I will certainly bring this issue back to the group
15:04:14 <giorgio> shadi: also in the page that describes RDWG there is no question "how can I join?" and we might want to address it as well
15:04:33 <giorgio> shadi:group, please let me know what we can do in this regards
15:05:08 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
15:05:11 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
15:05:15 <giorgio> shadi: this page shows also next symposia, which might interest them
15:05:45 <giorgio> shadi: shall we wwait a week for feedback?
15:05:48 <giorgio> simon: yes
15:06:07 <giorgio> zakim, take up item 8
15:06:07 <Zakim> agendum 8. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/55" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
15:06:31 <giorgio> ACTION-55: E2R Look Over Changes E2R Look Over Changes
15:06:31 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-55 E2R Look Over Changes.
15:07:03 <giorgio> (sorry: zakim was to proactive in interpreting my typing!)
15:07:12 <giorgio> s/to/too/
15:07:38 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2014Feb/0018.html
15:08:27 <giorgio> shadi: next step is to make sure that people are ok with this being published as a draft
15:08:35 <giorgio> shadi: I actually need to go over the comments
15:08:54 <giorgio> shadi: have people any comments?
15:09:04 <giorgio> simon: it's ok for me
15:09:17 <giorgio> I did not look at it
15:09:18 <sloandr> seems good to me - but will give it another read to be sure
15:10:10 <giorgio> shadi: without Klaus on the call we really don't feel confortable
15:10:20 <giorgio> simon: let's discuss it next week
15:10:50 <giorgio> simon: let's make sure that the comments we've got have been addressed satisfactorily
15:11:19 <giorgio> simon: any other things to discuss today?
15:11:56 <giorgio> simon: can I give  you back 20min so that you can participate to the survey
15:12:02 <giorgio> you're welcome!
15:12:03 <Zakim> -Markku
15:12:04 <giorgio> bye
15:12:06 <Zakim> -sharper
15:12:08 <Vivienne> bye now
15:12:08 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:12:09 <sloandr> bye
15:12:09 <sharper_> sharper_ has left #rd
15:12:12 <Zakim> -Justin
15:12:16 <Zakim> -sloandr
15:12:20 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:12:24 <Zakim> -giorgio
15:12:26 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:12:26 <Zakim> Attendees were sharper, Shadi, giorgio, Markku, sloandr, Vivienne, Justin
15:14:05 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:14:05 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:14:05 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:14:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:14:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:14:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:14:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items