17:50:43 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:50:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc 17:50:45 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:50:45 Zakim has joined #ua 17:50:47 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 17:50:47 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 17:50:48 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 17:50:48 Date: 13 February 2014 17:51:52 comments document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2014/LCcomments.html 17:51:54 agenda+ git hub? 17:51:55 agenda+ review comments - 17:51:57 1.4.1 MS03 17:51:58 1.4.3 SB06, WD02 17:52:00 Greg comments... 17:52:02 -- 17:52:03 Main Comment Gateway - 17:52:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/ 17:55:26 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 17:55:33 +[Microsoft] 17:58:04 zakim, microsoft is kford 17:58:04 +kford; got it 18:01:17 +Jeanne 18:02:52 Greg has joined #ua 18:03:09 Jan has joined #ua 18:03:22 +Greg_Lowney 18:03:24 zakim, code? 18:03:24 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan 18:03:59 +[IPcaller] 18:04:21 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 18:04:21 +Jan; got it 18:09:58 zakim, agenda? 18:09:58 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda: 18:09:59 1. git hub? [from kford] 18:09:59 2. review comments - [from kford] 18:10:18 Regrets: Kim, Jim 18:11:08 Topic: GL's update to JR's proposal 18:11:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014JanMar/0033.html 18:12:04 JR: I sent to the list that I like GL's wording and where he has two versions I like version 1. See comments on the list. 18:13:33 GOL and JR talking about ignore 18:16:19 (Version 3) 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent *ignore* author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA) 18:18:32 jeanne has joined #ua 18:20:51 GL and JR talking about overall goal of these proposal. 18:20:57 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions in order to have the content fit to the horizontal dimensions of the top-level viewport. (Level AA) 18:21:50 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA) 18:23:06 Overriding author-specified dimensions has two benefits: allowing reflow, and adjusting content for changes in font size and viewport size, etc. 18:24:33 After discussion, looks like we're back to (Version 2) 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA) 18:26:00 GL walking through proposals from email. 18:26:35 Talking about item 1. 18:26:46 JR and JS and KF are fine with change. 18:26:54 GL asks what level. 18:27:35 Approved 1.8.X Multi-Column Text Reflow: The user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column. (Level TBD) 18:28:12 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2014/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20140206/#intro-conf-levels 18:28:31 Group puts this at AA. 18:28:46 rrsagent, make minutes 18:28:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-minutes.html kford 18:30:35 action: jeanne to add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.X Multi-Column Text Reflow: The user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." 18:30:35 Created ACTION-943 - Add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.x multi-column text reflow: the user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20]. 18:30:56 Jan notes that this is one of three new SC that replace 1.8.7 Reflow Text. 18:30:57 action-943? 18:30:57 action-943 -- Jeanne F Spellman to Add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.x multi-column text reflow: the user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." -- due 2014-02-20 -- OPEN 18:30:57 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/943 18:31:12 edit action-943 18:31:54 Note benefits both for people who want to reduce horizontal scrolling and for people with cognitive impairments who would be distracted or confused by columns. 18:32:20 (Reducing horizontal scrolling particularly when using large fonts.) 18:32:33 Now on to item 2 18:33:33 Resolved: Remove 1.8.7 and use IER in other SC as appropriate 18:33:41 action: jeanne to remove 1.8.7 on text reflow 18:33:41 Created ACTION-944 - Remove 1.8.7 on text reflow [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20]. 18:34:04 NBow to item 3 18:34:46 To recap, these points come from mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014JanMar/0033.html 18:35:36 JS: Why are we talking about available printing devices. Why is that an accessibility issue. 18:36:54 1.4.4 Configured and Reflowed Text Printing: The user can print any rendered visual, non-time-based content to the user's choice of available printing devices. 18:37:15 The 1.4.4. Intent includes "Printing to virtual printer devices can also be a necessary step in converting the content to another electronic format that the user finds more accessible." 18:40:28 Chrome eventually opens to the system dialog for printers in Windows 7 18:42:01 My concern was that a browser would simplify its UI by having a print button that only printed to the default printer, which would make it difficult to route the output to converters that are only used occasionally. 18:42:48 We could clarify in a definition of "available printing devices" or in the IER that we are only talking about devices available through the platform; we don't expect the UA to provide its own device drivers. 18:46:29 Resolved: The group accepts the proposal for item 3 with the note that we will add a definition of available printing devices. 18:47:00 Group discussion centered on the fact that the point here was just to ensure that the browser didn't remove items that were in general available on the system. 18:47:10 Possible defn: available printing devices: Printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. 18:47:41 KF: I'm fine with that definition. 18:47:53 JR: Me too 18:47:54 JR and GL fine too. 18:48:01 JS fine also. 18:48:18 Now to item 4. 18:48:32 action: jeanne to add definition of available printing devices: Printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. and link to 1.4.4 18:48:32 Created ACTION-945 - Add definition of available printing devices: printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. and link to 1.4.4 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20]. 18:49:01 action: jeanne to revise 1.4.4 from meeting of 13 Feb 2013 18:49:01 Created ACTION-946 - Revise 1.4.4 from meeting of 13 feb 2013 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20]. 18:49:20 Resolved: accepting item 4 to remove definition of reflowable content. 18:49:28 Item 5 18:50:21 JR: I like GL's change. 18:50:29 KF: I'm fine with it also as is JS. 18:50:46 New global applicability note: 18:50:48 5. Vertical layout languages: When user agents render vertical layout languages (e.g. Mongolian, Han), success criteria normally relating to horizontal rendering should be applied to vertical rendering instead. 18:50:49 Resolved: Group good with proposed changes for item 5. 18:51:09 (Or maybe that should be "instead applied to vertical rendering"...?) 18:51:17 Item 6 18:52:52 Agreed earlier on the call to accept 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA) 18:53:51 Resolved: accept proposal for 1.8.x, see last comment from GL. 18:55:47 -Jeanne 18:57:48 Action JR: Write IER for the three new 1.8.X SCs 18:57:48 Created ACTION-947 - Write ier for the three new 1.8.x scs [on Jan Richards - due 2014-02-20]. 18:58:18 Item 7 now up 18:58:21 1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding formatting of columns and positioning specified by the author. (Level AAA) 18:59:20 1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-provided formatting of columns and positioning. (Level AA) 18:59:44 1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-specified formatting of columns and positioning. (Level AA) 19:00:22 Resolved: group making item here AA. 19:01:26 1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-specified formatting of columns, tables, and positioning. (Level AA) 19:02:17 Action: JS to update document with last propsal from GL. 19:02:17 Created ACTION-948 - Update document with last propsal from gl. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20]. 19:02:44 -kford 19:02:47 -Jan 19:02:51 -Greg_Lowney 19:02:51 rrsagent, make minutes 19:02:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-minutes.html kford 19:02:52 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 19:02:52 Attendees were kford, Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Jan 19:05:20 Present: Greg, Kelly, Jan, Jeanne 19:05:28 rrsagent, make minutes 19:05:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-minutes.html kford 19:06:34 zakim, please part 19:06:34 Zakim has left #ua 19:06:40 rrsagent, please part 19:06:40 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-actions.rdf : 19:06:40 ACTION: jeanne to add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.X Multi-Column Text Reflow: The user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." [1] 19:06:40 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-30-35 19:06:40 ACTION: jeanne to remove 1.8.7 on text reflow [2] 19:06:40 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-33-41 19:06:40 ACTION: jeanne to add definition of available printing devices: Printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. and link to 1.4.4 [3] 19:06:40 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-48-32 19:06:40 ACTION: jeanne to revise 1.4.4 from meeting of 13 Feb 2013 [4] 19:06:40 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-49-01 19:06:40 ACTION: JR to Write IER for the three new 1.8.X SCs [5] 19:06:40 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-57-48 19:06:40 ACTION: JS to update document with last propsal from GL. [6] 19:06:40 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T19-02-17