14:28:56 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:28:56 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-dap-irc 14:28:58 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:28:58 Zakim has joined #dap 14:29:00 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:29:00 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes 14:29:01 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:29:01 Date: 13 February 2014 14:29:27 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0028.html 14:29:41 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0028.html 14:30:00 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:30:12 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:30:34 Regrets+ Cathy_Chan 14:30:54 ScribeNick: fjh 14:31:06 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:56:14 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 15:00:25 gmandyam has joined #dap 15:00:34 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 15:00:39 +gmandyam 15:00:41 +??P6 15:00:50 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 15:01:01 Zakim, ??P6 is mats 15:01:01 +mats; got it 15:01:24 +??P12 15:01:26 zakim, ??P12 is me 15:01:26 +anssik; got it 15:01:45 lgombos has joined #dap 15:02:44 +[IPcaller] 15:02:47 zakim, IPcaller is m 15:02:48 +m; got it 15:02:52 zakim, m is me 15:02:52 +fjh; got it 15:02:56 zakim, who is here? 15:02:56 On the phone I see mats, gmandyam, anssik, fjh 15:02:57 On IRC I see lgombos, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, c-alpha_, mats, dom, tobie_, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff_, anssik, trackbot 15:03:09 Present+ Alexander_Adolf 15:04:15 alexander from LG, sent mail to list couple of days ago 15:05:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0022.html 15:05:56 fjh: Thanks, not clear on participation status 15:06:09 Topic: Minutes approval 15:06:17 Approve minutes from 6 February 2014 15:06:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/att-0020/minutes-2014-02-06.html 15:06:24 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 February 2014 are approved 15:06:36 Topic: Network Service Discovery 15:06:43 Discussion held with WebAppSec WG, 12 Feb, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2014Feb/0029.html 15:06:43 raw minutes http://www.w3.org/2014/02/12-webappsec-minutes.html#item03 15:07:01 Proposal: Publish updated WD: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0026.html 15:07:10 q+ 15:07:18 fjh: rationale for publishing is that addition of CORs is a meaningful addition 15:07:26 ack gmandyam 15:08:22 gmandyam: does Chromium team know about CORs change, they filed bug, do they know about change 15:09:04 action: follow up on letting Chromium team know about CORS addition to Network Service Discovery 15:09:04 Error finding 'follow'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:09:21 action: fjh to follow up on letting Chromium team know about CORS addition to Network Service Discovery 15:09:22 Created ACTION-681 - Follow up on letting chromium team know about cors addition to network service discovery [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-02-20]. 15:09:38 Chromium discussion on NSD: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/HT0KZKuTLxM 15:09:53 fjh: changes can happen after publishing WD but want to be consistent with current state 15:10:15 fjh: feedback on list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0022.html , http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0024.html 15:10:23 fjh: defer discussion to list, want to include Rich 15:10:58 fjh: plan to go ahead with publishing WD after talking with Rich, editor. No CfC needed. 15:11:08 Topic: Vibration 15:11:17 LC 3 published, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-vibration-20140211/ 15:11:25 ends 4 March 2014 15:11:36 thread on public-web-mobile, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2014Feb/0016.html 15:11:52 anssik: seen this, nothing we need to do 15:12:00 … can emulate strength with existing API 15:12:14 … so no need to add such a feature 15:12:27 … have already replied so this thread is finished 15:13:03 fjh: sent message to chairs list, included HTML and WebApps WG for review, included Anne in cc list 15:13:19 … if anyone else needs notice please share information with them 15:13:41 … assume we will go to CR after LC 15:14:44 Topic: Network Information 15:15:27 fjh: Publish as Note? I would prefer to first update as we’ve discussed for a publication even as a Note, since it has more agreement than previously published version thoughts? 15:15:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0023.html 15:15:49 anssik: need to capture status 15:15:55 fjh: right, but want to update the draft 15:17:25 fjh: will respond to Mounir about update before publishing draft 15:18:06 Topic: Action Review 15:18:12 ACTION-523? 15:18:12 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 15:18:12 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 15:18:38 https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#HTML_Media_Capture 15:18:43 fjh: pending actions to close 15:18:43 close ACTION-679 15:18:43 Closed ACTION-679. 15:18:48 close ACTION-680 15:18:48 Closed ACTION-680. 15:19:03 Topic: HTML Media Capture 15:19:04 https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#HTML_Media_Capture 15:25:40 example interop report http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmldsig/report.html 15:25:57 more recent example http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-xmldsig-core1-interop-20121113/ 15:27:01 fjh: we might want to check with Dom for other examples, also thoughts on how to deal with tests involving UI interaction 15:27:18 fjh: benefit of publishing a Note is that there is a clear record that is easy to share, not required to publish a Note 15:29:21 fjh: another approach in web apps, http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/imp-report/ 15:30:31 fjh: approach depends on goal 15:30:46 s/goals/situation, number of tests, need for clarity etc 15:31:26 fjh: usability matters so we should try to help there 15:31:32 fjh: older example of web page, http://www.w3.org/Signature/2001/04/05-xmldsig-interop.html 15:34:25 "verified two interoperable deployed implementations" 15:37:43 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/306 15:38:43 anssik: we have two implementations, test suite pending review 15:38:47 fjh: so this is work we might be able to move forward beyond CR soon? 15:38:55 anssik: we should work on progressing this one 15:39:29 anssik: status update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0028.html 15:39:51 … we can progress this one, also learn in process 15:41:31 anssik: perhaps we should take best practice from WebApps for going to PR 15:43:44 fjh: or we can take other approach, might be different. maybe we should get ideas from Dom as well 15:43:49 anssik: how does group end 15:44:17 fjh: when WG is no longer working on deliverables (we still have a number) then it can shut down or stay alive for maintenance, there will be choices but this is premature now 15:45:20 -anssik 15:45:26 Topic: Issues 15:45:29 -gmandyam 15:46:03 fjh: open issues relate to network service discovery, see agenda or tracker for details http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/open 15:46:23 … also one for Network Information 15:46:25 ISSUE-128 15:46:25 ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open 15:46:25 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128 15:46:31 Topic: Other Business 15:46:32 None 15:46:36 Topic: Adjourn 15:46:40 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:46:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:46:45 -fjh 15:46:56 -mats 15:46:57 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:46:57 Attendees were gmandyam, mats, anssik, fjh 15:47:21 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 15:47:32 Present- Alexander_Adolf 15:47:46 Present+ Alexander_Adolf_(IRC) 15:49:05 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:49:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-dap-minutes.html fjh 16:21:00 c-alpha has joined #dap 16:21:04 c-alpha has left #dap 16:45:10 lgombos has joined #dap 17:08:02 lgombos has joined #dap 17:15:26 Zakim has left #dap