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15:54:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
15:54:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:35 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:54:35 <trackbot> Date: 12 February 2014
15:55:13 <gavinc> Guus, you have a copy of agenda that isn't on the wiki (which is down)?
15:55:46 <davidwood> Oh, joy
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15:56:19 <Guus> it's slow but I can see it
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15:57:05 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:57:05 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:57:27 <Zakim> +??P7
15:57:35 <gkellogg> zakim, ??P7 is me
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16:00:46 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P18 is me
16:00:46 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
16:00:50 <Zakim> +pfps
16:00:53 <Zakim> +Arnaud
16:00:57 <yvesr> Guus, just pushed the new diagrams to the primer
16:00:58 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:01:02 <Zakim> +??P25
16:01:04 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:01:04 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
16:01:05 <yvesr> (still a few things to sort out but getting there)
16:01:06 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
16:01:06 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
16:01:25 <cygri> zakim, code?
16:01:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
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16:02:19 <cygri> zakim, ??P28 is me
16:02:19 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:02:21 <Zakim> -cygri
16:02:26 <markus> zakim, code?
16:02:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), markus
16:02:32 <Guus> chair: Guus
16:02:35 <gavinc> 'cause it's FINALLY raining
16:02:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:48 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:02:55 <Zakim> +??P28
16:02:56 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker (was [IPcaller])
16:02:58 <Zakim> +??P0
16:03:00 <markus> zakim, ??P28 is me
16:03:00 <Zakim> +markus; got it
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16:03:38 <pfps> scribenick pfps
16:03:41 <ericP> Zakim, ??P25 is me
16:03:41 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
16:03:55 <ericP> q-
16:04:01 <AndyS> c
16:04:02 <ericP> q- ??P25
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16:04:59 <cygri> zakim, ??P30 is me
16:04:59 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:05:01 <cygri> zakim, mute me
16:05:01 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted
16:05:15 <Zakim> -cygri
16:05:58 <pfps> Topic: Admin
16:06:15 <Guus> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 29 Jan telecon:
16:06:26 <ericP> +1
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16:07:17 <pfps> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 29 Jan telecon:
16:07:42 <sandro> trackbot, pointer?
16:07:42 <trackbot> Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, pointer?'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
16:07:57 <pfps> Guus: action items
16:07:57 <Zakim> +??P36
16:08:08 <pchampin> zakim, ??P36 is me
16:08:08 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
16:08:19 <pfps> Guus: Item 337 gregg is done?
16:08:27 <pfps> Gregg: yes
16:08:28 <gkellogg> ACTION-337?
16:08:29 <trackbot> ACTION-337 -- Gregg Kellogg to Find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parsetypeliteralpropertyelt -- due 2013-12-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:08:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/337
16:08:51 <pfps> Guus: Items 338, 339, 340, 341, 342 all done
16:09:11 <pfps> Guus: open actions
16:09:19 <pfps> Guus: action 98 done?
16:09:25 <pfps> Sandro: underway
16:09:36 <pfps> Guus: review of dataset note unknown
16:09:49 <pfps> Guus: rdf/xml tests done
16:10:00 <pfps> Gregg: decided not to add them because they are not normative
16:10:24 <pfps> Guus: OK
16:10:58 <pfps> Topic: REC documentss
16:11:16 <pfps> Guus: there are static versions of all the documents available
16:11:37 <pfps> Guus:  changes had to be made to fix up some formatting issues
16:12:26 <pfps> Guus: comments
16:12:35 <ericP> ack me
16:12:37 <pfps> Guus: turtle syntax errors all addressed
16:13:22 <pfps> Guus: when was the error introduced?
16:14:46 <AndyS> Turtle syntax error is in affects TriG as well.
16:14:54 <pfps> Eric: information from the director is that if we test the change and send email to implementators and public that we will be OK
16:15:15 <pfps> Eric: we need to get back no complaints to be OK
16:15:28 <pfps> Eric:  this is for both Turtle and TRIG
16:15:39 <pfps> Eric: Gregg you have the list of implementors
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16:15:48 <pfps> Gregg: are we actually changing the tests
16:15:53 <sandro> eric: we'll have to send mail to all the turtle and trig implementors, providing them the test case, and asking if they have a problem with this.
16:16:14 <pfps> Eric: no, we would add a test that would be likely to break an implementation of either CR or PR
16:16:21 <pfps> Gregg: can we add a test?
16:16:59 <AndyS> q+ to clarify the effect on impls (bad syntax -> good, but they prob accepted it anyway)
16:17:01 <Zakim> +??P37
16:17:01 <pfps> Eric: not really, we just need the implementors to say that they are willing to make any changes necessary
16:17:13 <sandro> eric: The Director wants implementors to have a chance to say no.  Mail them the test and explain the situation, and hope they'll say "I already do this" or "i'll make this change soon".   It should go into a post-rec test suite.
16:17:13 <AZ> Zakim, ??P37 is me
16:17:13 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
16:17:15 <pfps> Eric: the change should go into any after-REC test suite
16:17:46 <pfps> gregg: the RDFa test suite has has after-REC test suite
16:18:12 <pfps> Guus: the fallback is to not make change
16:18:36 <davidwood> q+ to ask what we would do if people object either way
16:19:16 <pfps> andy: so the PR makes something illegal that something actually accepts
16:19:29 <pfps> eric: there are implementations that need to change
16:19:53 <pfps> guus: the PR grammar is too restrictive
16:19:56 <pfps> eric: yes
16:20:00 <AndyS> ack me
16:20:00 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to clarify the effect on impls (bad syntax -> good, but they prob accepted it anyway)
16:20:34 <pfps> guus: timing?
16:20:54 <pfps> eric: if we sent email today ...
16:21:09 <pfps> guus: we want an answer next week, so ask for it then
16:21:12 <pfps> eric: OK
16:21:24 <Guus> ack DavidWood
16:21:24 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to ask what we would do if people object either way
16:21:41 <pfps> david: what would we do if there are objections either way?
16:21:47 <pfps> s/either/both/
16:21:57 <pfps> guus: then we make no change
16:22:34 <pfps> sandro: if we make no change then we should add a note saying that there is this divergence from SPARQL
16:22:52 <pfps> guus: I can't expect anyone to complain
16:23:00 <pfps> pfps: :-)
16:23:01 <ericP> ack me
16:23:17 <pfps> eric: i'll send out the email now
16:23:22 <ericP> <s> <p> """ ""\u0061 """ .
16:23:37 <pfps> eric: that was the test
16:24:15 <pfps> eric: the character after an internal quote can't be a \u escape
16:24:31 <pfps> sandro: there are a number of tests needed
16:24:31 <sandro> """""""".
16:24:36 <pfps> eric: yes
16:24:43 <sandro> """""\n""".
16:25:07 <pfps> eric: I'll send internal email first saying that this was an unintentional error
16:25:29 <pfps> ACTION eric: send email on Turtle unintentional error recovery
16:25:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Send email on turtle unintentional error recovery [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-02-19].
16:25:30 <sandro> Oh, right.
16:25:49 <sandro> """""\n""" is okay, right?
16:26:05 <sandro> being the same as "\"\"\n"
16:26:23 <pfps> q+
16:26:25 <ericP> yup
16:26:40 <pfps> guus: propose to advance 8 documents to REC
16:26:44 <Guus> PROPOSED: to ask the Director to advance eight P(E)Rs to REC
16:26:45 <davidwood> +1
16:27:05 <pfps> eric: what about the turtle change
16:27:06 <gkellogg> +1
16:27:11 <Arnaud> +1
16:27:13 <pfps> guus:either way we go forward
16:27:25 <sandro> s/eric/andy/
16:27:32 <pfps> eric: we should go forward either way
16:27:47 <AZ> +1 for 7 documents, -1 for Semantics, considering my formal objection before
16:28:20 <TallTed> +1
16:28:36 <pfps> sandro: there is nothing more to do because this is the same as the last one
16:28:45 <pfps> guus: in any case the WG is not very involved
16:28:49 <pfps> q-
16:29:08 <Guus> clarification: REC with Turtle change as discussed
16:29:10 <ericP> +1
16:29:19 <pfps> +1
16:29:19 <yvesr> +1
16:29:27 <gavinc> +1
16:29:27 <markus> +1
16:29:32 <Arnaud> +1
16:30:08 <sandro> +1
16:30:24 <pfps> RESOLVED: to ask the Director to advance eight P(E)Rs to REC, over Antoinne's objection
16:30:54 <pfps> guus: short names
16:30:54 <AZ> s/Antoinne/Antoine/
16:31:37 <pfps> guus: we keep rdf11- for the three short names that have existing versions (concepts, mt, primer)
16:32:22 <pfps> guus: the page for the old version will give pointers to the different versions
16:32:34 <pfps> guus:  this is not really our concern, in any case
16:32:52 <pfps> guus: there is an errata page and this is linked to from the drafts
16:33:06 <pfps> guus: I'll also include the link in the notes
16:33:15 <pfps> ACTION guus: add pointer to errata page from notes
16:33:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Add pointer to errata page from notes [on Guus Schreiber - due 2014-02-19].
16:33:19 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:33:19 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
16:33:47 <markus> shall we remove the dot in rdf1.1 in "http://www.w3.org/2014/rdf1.1-errata"?
16:34:14 <pfps> ted: I can't get to that page
16:34:31 <pfps> guus: the page says do not link to this page but to the various documents
16:34:35 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
16:34:35 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
16:34:45 <pfps> ted: a bit like a WikiPedia disambiguation page
16:35:30 <pfps> guus: ivan set it up
16:35:38 <pfps> sandro:  I don't know how to fix it
16:35:46 <pfps> Topic: WG notes
16:36:00 <pfps> guus: no comments on notes?
16:36:04 <pfps> david: no comments
16:36:34 <pfps> guus: the "What's New" document has had no comments
16:36:39 <Guus> PROPOSED: republish as WG Note on 25 Feb without changes.
16:36:57 <pfps> PROPOSED: republish What's New as WG Note on 25 Feb without changes.
16:37:00 <davidwood> +1
16:37:01 <pfps> +1
16:37:03 <Arnaud> +1
16:37:04 <gkellogg> +1
16:37:04 <Guus> +1
16:37:04 <sandro> +1
16:37:05 <yvesr> +1
16:37:06 <AZ> +1
16:37:09 <TallTed> +1
16:37:22 <pfps> RESOLVED: republish What's New as WG Note on 25 Feb without changes.
16:37:27 <markus> +1
16:37:31 <pfps> guus:  I'll do the static version
16:37:37 <davidwood> Thanks, Guus
16:38:04 <pfps> Guus: primer - several very constructive comments
16:38:35 <pfps> Guus: there are a few minor issues still outstanding, but no problems forseen
16:38:50 <pfps> Guus: there are a few editorial issues, mostly having to do with the figures
16:39:12 <pfps> Guus:  Sandro did a rewrite of the semantics section
16:39:44 <pfps> Markus: JSON LD earlier
16:39:49 <pfps> Guus: yes, Yves is doing that
16:40:05 <pfps> PROPOSED: to publish as Primer WG Note on 25 Feb with editorial changes
16:40:09 <gavinc> +1
16:40:10 <AZ> +1
16:40:11 <pchampin> +1
16:40:12 <davidwood> +1
16:40:12 <tbaker> +1
16:40:13 <markus> +1
16:40:14 <yvesr> +1
16:40:19 <Guus> +1
16:40:20 <sandro> +1
16:40:24 <TallTed> +1
16:40:24 <gkellogg> +1
16:40:32 <pfps> RESOLVED: to publish Primer as WG Note on 25 Feb with editorial changes
16:40:42 <Arnaud> belated +1
16:40:46 <pfps> Guus: Datasets WG note
16:40:58 <pfps> Guus: no second review yet
16:41:10 <pfps> Guus: Antoinne, are changed required
16:41:37 <pfps> Antoinne:  there are two very minor notes, which could just be removed
16:41:52 <pfps> Antoinne: Pat was concerned with issues of style, not content
16:42:32 <pfps> Antoinne: If Pat gets his review in in a couple of days I can make changes and be ready for 19 Feb
16:42:39 <AZ> S/Antoinne/Antoine/
16:43:08 <pfps> ACTION AZ: send Pat an email to get him to review Datasets, and make any changes for 19 Feb
16:43:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Send pat an email to get him to review datasets, and make any changes for 19 feb [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2014-02-19].
16:43:29 <pfps> Guus: Test Cases
16:43:59 <pfps> Gregg: right now the test suite points to wiki pages
16:44:18 <pfps> Gregg: we propose to copy the existing test suites to a permanent location
16:44:32 <pfps> Gregg: the implementation reports are also in hg
16:44:49 <pfps> Gregg: we propose to move the implementation reports to a permanent location
16:45:00 <pfps> Gregg: ... and fix up all the pointers
16:45:09 <pfps> Guus: any discussion?
16:45:20 <pfps> Sandro: sounds fine by me
16:45:35 <pfps> Guus: Gregg will need staff help for this
16:45:48 <pfps> Gregg: what about 2013/2014
16:45:52 <Zakim> -ericP
16:46:00 <pfps> Sandro: there is no problem either way
16:46:17 <pfps> Gregg: they will all use 2013
16:46:29 <pfps> Guus: Sandro can you do the staff work required?
16:46:33 <pfps> Sandro: yes
16:47:06 <pfps> Gregg: RDF/XML references the 2004 test cases
16:47:16 <Zakim> +ericP
16:47:18 <pfps> Gregg: I propose to update it to the 2013 versions
16:47:35 <ericP> ack me
16:47:58 <pfps> PROPOSED: to publish RDF 1.1 Test Cases as WG Note
16:48:08 <pfps> +1
16:48:08 <markus> +1
16:48:10 <pchampin> +1
16:48:10 <TallTed> +1
16:48:11 <AZ> +1
16:48:12 <tbaker> +1
16:48:16 <gkellogg> +1
16:48:17 <gavinc> +1
16:48:17 <Guus> +1
16:48:23 <AndyS> +1
16:48:26 <pfps> RESOLVED: to publish RDF 1.1 Test Cases as WG Note
16:48:43 <pfps> Topic: Open Issues
16:48:52 <pfps> Guus: last telecon is next week
16:48:57 <pfps> Guus: currently two open issues
16:49:17 <pfps> Guus: ISSUE-78
16:49:33 <pfps> Guus: there is wording in Primer and there is the datasets note
16:49:39 <AZ> In the dataset note, there is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-datasets/#named-graph-are-in-a-particular-relationship-with-what-the-graph-name-dereferences-to
16:49:45 <pfps> Guus: is that sufficient?
16:49:49 <pfps> +1
16:50:05 <pfps> Guus: silence is golden
16:50:27 <pfps> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-78 as being addressed in Primer and Datasets notes
16:50:34 <pfps> +1
16:50:35 <AZ> +1
16:50:35 <tbaker> +1
16:50:38 <Guus> +1
16:50:43 <gkellogg> +1
16:50:45 <markus> +1
16:50:55 <TallTed> +1
16:50:57 <gavinc> +meh
16:51:03 <Arnaud> +1
16:51:14 <sandro> +1
16:51:17 <pfps> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-78 as being addressed in Primer and Datasets notes
16:51:20 <AndyS> +1+1
16:51:28 <pfps> Guus: ISSUE-138
16:51:28 <davidwood> Belated +1
16:51:44 <pfps> Guus: guidance on which syntaxes to use
16:51:59 <pfps> Guus;  the primer describes the syntaxes and gives some guidance
16:52:09 <pfps> Guus: ... but does not have a complete guidance section
16:52:23 <pfps> Guus:  that's as good as it gets
16:53:27 <pfps> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-138 as being addressed in Primer
16:53:53 <pfps> Sandro: I was waiting for an ack on primer - I have a couple of editorial comments
16:54:30 <pfps> Guus: there was a message on 3 Feb
16:54:44 <pfps> Sandro:  I was waiting for an "it's all done"
16:55:10 <TallTed> s/RESOLVED/PROPOSED/
16:55:11 <TallTed> :-)
16:55:13 <pfps> Guus: it's all done
16:55:39 <pfps> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-138 as being partially addressed in Primer
16:55:52 <AZ> +1
16:55:54 <pfps> +1
16:55:55 <TallTed> +1
16:55:56 <Guus> +1
16:56:02 <davidwood> +1
16:56:03 <markus> +1
16:56:05 <AndyS> +1
16:56:06 <gavinc> +1
16:56:09 <tbaker> +1
16:56:14 <sandro> issue-138?
16:56:14 <trackbot> issue-138 -- Guidance to RDF users and developers about which syntaxes to parse and publish -- open
16:56:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/138
16:56:32 <sandro> +1 ASSUMING CHANGES ARE DONE AS REQUESTED
16:57:05 <Arnaud> 0 - seems weird to close admitting it is only partially addressed
16:57:15 <pfps> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-138 as being partially addressed in Primer, with a few editorial changes
16:58:08 <pfps> pfps:  the WG can't completely solve all problems
16:58:19 <pfps> Topic: Namespace
16:58:30 <pfps> Topic: Namespace Document
16:58:41 <pfps> Topic: Namespace Documents
16:59:03 <pfps> Guus: we can informally discuss this and make decisions next week
16:59:13 <pfps> Sandro: no decisions for us to make here
16:59:35 <pfps> Guus: fine, then we can do this informally and close now
16:59:38 <Zakim> -AndyS
16:59:46 <AndyS> AndyS has left #rdf-wg
16:59:58 <pfps> scribing will now be at best intermittent
17:00:33 <pfps> Sandro: we can do some magic to make everything work out right
17:01:08 <pfps> Sandro: but the magic is hard and there is no consensus to how to get everything to work out
17:02:15 <gavinc> JSON-LD + Mustache is very evil for this sort of thing :D
17:04:56 <gkellogg> <div lang="en">description of that term in HTML English</div>
17:05:27 <markus> right, but you have several of those.. so there's no fall back as with plain literals
17:05:40 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
17:05:40 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
17:06:22 <sandro> eric: skos:definition
17:07:08 <tbaker> <rdf:Property rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type">
17:07:09 <tbaker>   <rdfs:isDefinedBy rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"/>
17:07:11 <tbaker>   <rdfs:label>type</rdfs:label>
17:07:12 <tbaker>   <rdfs:comment>The subject is an instance of a class.</rdfs:comment>
17:07:14 <tbaker>   <rdfs:range rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Class"/>
17:07:15 <tbaker>   <rdfs:domain rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Resource"/>
17:07:17 <tbaker> </rdf:Property>
17:07:24 <ericP> skos:definition "A coded value specifying how often doses are administered."
17:07:48 <ericP> skos:definition "Total of all doses of this agent in a given period of time."
17:07:54 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
17:08:28 <Zakim> -AZ
17:11:35 <ericP> skos:example "national number", "registry identifier", "sponsor protocol number".
17:12:31 <gavinc> dc:description "The Resource Description Framework (Rdf) is a structure for describing and interchanging metadata on the Web-anything from library catalogs and worldwide directories to bioinformatics, Mozilla internal data structures, and knowledge bases for artificial intelligence projects. Rdf provides a consistent framework and syntax for describing and querying data, making it possible to share website descriptions more easily. Rdf's capabilities, however,
17:12:33 <gavinc> have long been shrouded by its reputation for complexity and a difficult family of specifications. Practical Rdf breaks through this reputation with immediate and solvable problems to help you understand, master, and implement Rdf solutions. Practical Rdf explains Rdf from the ground up, providing real-world examples and descriptions of how the technology is being used in applications like Mozilla, Foaf, and Chandler, as well as infrastructure you can use to
17:12:34 <gavinc> build your own applications. This book cuts to the heart of the W3C's often obscure specifications, giving you tools to apply Rdf successfully in your own projects. The first part of the book focuses on the Rdf specifications. After an introduction to Rdf, the book covers the Rdf specification documents themselves, including Rdf Semantics and Concepts and Abstract Model specifications, Rdf constructs, and the Rdf Schema. The second section focuses on
17:12:36 <gavinc> programming language support, and the tools and utilities that allow developers to review, edit, parse, store, and manipulate Rdf/Xml. Subsequent sections focus on Rdf's data roots, programming and framework support, and practical implementation and use of Rdf and Rdf/Xml. If you want to know how to apply Rdf to information processing, Practical Rdf is for you. Whether your interests lie in large-scale information aggregation and analysis or in smaller-scale
17:12:37 <gavinc> projects like weblog syndication, this book will provide you with a solid foundation for working with Rdf."
17:13:24 <markus> sandro, just looked at your mail.. you use rdfs:isDefinedBy on properties/classes to point to the spec.. shouldn't that point to the vocabulary/ontology?
17:13:38 <TallTed> +1 for length progression   rdfs:label -> rdfs:comment -> dc:description
17:13:38 <TallTed> skos:definition feels more formal than dc:description to me...
17:13:42 <sandro> good question, markus
17:14:06 <tbaker> +1 for dc:description
17:14:26 <ericP> ack me
17:17:03 <gavinc> "This property may be used to indicate an RDF vocabulary in which a resource is described."
17:18:03 <tbaker> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/contributor> rdfs:isDefinedBy <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/>
17:18:54 <Zakim> -David_Wood
17:19:12 <tbaker> <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#Concept> <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#isDefinedBy> <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>
17:19:40 <tbaker> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Document> <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#isDefinedBy> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/>
17:19:43 <TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/powder-s#describedby
17:19:54 <TallTed> An RDF property to exactly match the describedby relationship type introduced in http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-dr/#assoc-linking and formally defined in appendix D of the same document, i.e. the relationship A 'describedby' B asserts that resource B provides a description of resource A. There are no constraints on the format or representation of either A or B, neither are there any further constraints on either resource.
17:20:51 <tbaker> <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Class> <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#isDefinedBy> <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>
17:24:53 <tbaker> +1 rationale should be documented if a new BP property is coined
17:24:55 <TallTed> maaaaayyyyybe   http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#aria-describedby
17:25:49 <gavinc> TallTed: NOT aria ;)
17:26:16 <ericP> +1 to not listing vapid meta-meta-meta triples
17:28:43 <ericP> use a small typeface?
17:30:07 <ericP> +1 to not including "schema"
17:30:08 <tbaker> http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/skos.html
17:32:56 <sandro>      "RDF Concepts Vocabulary"
17:33:16 <ericP> +1 to ASN1
17:33:28 <ericP> and OBO
17:34:08 <pchampin> GTG guys, sorry; bye
17:34:37 <pfps> trackbot, end meeting
17:34:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:34:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, AndyS, gkellogg, GavinC, David_Wood, yvesr, pfps, Arnaud, TallTed, cygri, Sandro, markus, tbaker, ericP, pchampin, AZ
17:34:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:34:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/12-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
17:34:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:34:46 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/12-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
17:34:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: eric to send email on Turtle unintentional error recovery [1]
17:34:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/12-rdf-wg-irc#T16-25-29
17:34:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to add pointer to errata page from notes [2]
17:34:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/12-rdf-wg-irc#T16-33-15
17:34:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AZ to send Pat an email to get him to review Datasets, and make any changes for 19 Feb [3]
17:34:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/12-rdf-wg-irc#T16-43-08