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14:58:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
14:58:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
14:58:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:58:20 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2014
14:59:06 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:59:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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14:59:38 <Zakim> +Arnaud
14:59:39 <Ashok> zakin IPcaller.a is me
14:59:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:05 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:00:05 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
15:00:12 <Ashok> zakim IPcaller.a is me
15:00:27 <Ashok> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
15:00:27 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
15:00:52 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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15:01:09 <Zakim> +w3c
15:01:14 <deiu> Zakim, w3c is me
15:01:14 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
15:02:15 <Arnaud> regrets: stevebattle
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15:02:37 <Arnaud> regrets: stevebattle, eric
15:02:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:02:58 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
15:03:03 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:03:03 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:03:06 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Ashok, Arnaud, codyburleson, JohnArwe, deiu, [IBM], TallTed
15:03:13 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
15:03:13 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
15:05:34 <ericP> Arnaud, oof, i never responded to john's email
15:06:12 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JohnArwe
15:06:24 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ashok
15:06:29 <JohnArwe> johnarwe ducks
15:06:46 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JohnArwe
15:06:59 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:59 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose codyburleson
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15:07:06 <Zakim> +Roger
15:08:03 <roger> scribe: Roger
15:08:15 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:08:15 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:08:44 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-02-03
15:09:00 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approved the minutes of the February 3 teleconf
15:09:54 <roger> Topic: Actions
15:10:50 <codyburleson> John, which is the action open against BPs?
15:11:08 <JohnArwe> @cody: 134
15:11:19 <JohnArwe> ...from the resolution last week on issue 93
15:11:52 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:11:52 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
15:13:09 <roger> Topic: Status of Spec
15:14:06 <roger> Arnaud: Plan was that spec edits would be done by today, so we can move to review.
15:14:49 <Zakim> +??P15
15:14:56 <roger> Editors summarise the highlights of the recent edits ...
15:15:06 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P15 is me
15:15:06 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
15:15:17 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
15:15:17 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
15:15:31 <roger> re-structuring to add a new section 4  - which is about LDP clients
15:16:42 <roger> also new content about the 3 types of container : Basic, Direct and Indirect (Basic used to be called Simple).
15:18:03 <roger> new terminology: LDP-RR, LDP-BR, etc ..
15:18:24 <roger> ldp:created is replaced by ldp:contains
15:18:39 <roger> examples about Indirect container
15:19:13 <roger> there is a table trying to summarise the differences between membership and containment.
15:19:37 <sandro> q+ to suggest "Graph Resource" and "Opaque Resource", since Binary is wrong, and "RDF Resource" is utterly ambiguous with rdf:Resource.
15:20:13 <Arnaud> ack sandro
15:20:13 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest "Graph Resource" and "Opaque Resource", since Binary is wrong, and "RDF Resource" is utterly ambiguous with rdf:Resource.
15:21:23 <TallTed> "Managed Resource" vs "Unmanaged Resource"?
15:22:04 <Ashok> I like "opaque resource"
15:23:55 <sandro> sandro: In RDF 1.1 Concepts, these these things are called "RDF Sources"
15:24:57 <sandro> "Non-RDF Source"
15:24:59 <roger> people seem to like "RDF sources" ...
15:26:17 <sandro> the RDF 1.1 Concepts reference is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#change-over-time
15:27:19 <roger> editors will go off and incorporate 'rdf source' language
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15:27:51 <roger> +q
15:28:17 <sandro> +1 and LDPC is a kind of LDP RS
15:29:01 <Arnaud> ack roger
15:30:01 <SteveS> So hierarchy/structure looks like https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/images/ldpc1.png
15:30:05 <Zakim> +??P30
15:30:11 <pchampin> zakim, ??P30 is me
15:30:11 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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15:30:50 <sandro> SteveS, JohnArwe, I'm not totally thrilled with "RDF Source" for this -- I think when you're editing the text you might find it doesn't read well.     (That's why my first suggestion was "Graph Resource".   Sigh.)
15:32:40 <Ashok> q+
15:33:37 <Arnaud> ack ashok
15:34:40 <roger> Ashok questions the colouring of the hierarchy picture ...
15:35:40 <roger> Ted, would prefer boxes-inside-other-boxes, venn diagram style.
15:36:54 <codyburleson> :-( The UML made good sense to me, Steve.
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15:38:15 <SteveS> codyburleson, it is good feedback though....perhaps it would help if I made it clear it was a "Class diagram" and not a "Flow diagram"
15:39:44 <roger_> some changes related to Prefer header
15:42:05 <roger_> in the 303 response, the server can inline the representation of the redirected resource, and the prefer-accepted header indicates this (i think)
15:42:42 <JohnArwe> s/prefer-accepted/Preference-applied response/
15:42:59 <roger_> ... and the client can use the prefer header to indicate this
15:44:21 <roger_> hello John, which RFC got approved last week again please ?
15:44:43 <Arnaud> http bis
15:46:26 <roger_> Arnaud would now like to talk about the timeline and where we are .. !
15:47:04 <SteveS> HTML diff from LC1 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-diff-20140210.html
15:47:58 <roger_> Arnaud: suggestion: the group has 2 weeks to review the spec. Vote on Feb 24 to go to last call. ... ?
15:48:17 <roger_> in reading spec, please forward new names for things to the editors.
15:48:29 <roger_> or suggestions for new names
15:48:34 <Ashok> Where is the latest spec?
15:49:09 <roger_> i that it ? https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html
15:49:26 <SteveS> yes, that is the link
15:49:48 <Ashok> OK.  Got it
15:51:23 <roger_> Arnaud: bottom line is, be prepared to vote in 2 weeks time.
15:52:47 <JohnArwe> Expectation, for those reading only minutes, were that this coming week (ending Feb 17) is when all comments affecting normative content Should be made; second week (ending Feb 24) should be typos/editorial changes ONLY.
15:53:06 <roger_> Topic: Next F2F Meeting
15:53:18 <roger_> suggested dates 1-3 April .. ?
15:53:24 <roger_> location ?
15:53:25 <Ashok> q+
15:53:36 <roger_> I think we can offer to host
15:53:39 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
15:53:55 <SteveS> As these reviews usually go, feedback earlier than later is greatly appreciated
15:54:24 <pchampin> so did I :-D
15:54:42 <roger_> dates have changed :)
15:54:45 <roger_> 15-17 April
15:55:27 <sandro> I'm happy to host at MIT yet again.
15:55:54 <Ashok> I'm happy with MIT
15:56:00 <deiu> +1 for MIT :)
15:56:28 <codyburleson> +1 MIT
15:57:45 <roger_> Topic: Status of the other deliverables
15:57:59 <roger_> UC&R is in good shape
16:00:30 <roger_> need to re-focus energy on to the other deliverables
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16:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, Arnaud, codyburleson, Ashok, JohnArwe, deiu, TallTed, SteveS, Roger, nmihindu, pchampin
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