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17:57:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:57:46 <trackbot> Date: 06 February 2014
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17:58:32 <Zakim> +plinss
17:58:40 <Domenic__> zakim, number?
17:58:40 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Domenic__.
17:58:46 <plinss> zakim, code?
17:58:46 <Zakim> the conference code is 0824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), plinss
17:58:58 <Zakim> +dka
17:59:34 <Zakim> +Domenic__
18:00:35 <Zakim> +??P11
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18:03:44 <Zakim> +wycats
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18:04:30 <Zakim> +Yves
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18:07:38 <dherman> hello
18:07:48 <Domenic__> zakim, code?
18:07:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 0824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Domenic__
18:08:24 <Zakim> +TimBL
18:08:35 <Yves> .me waves
18:08:41 <Yves> s/.me waves//
18:08:54 <dherman> dherman: still learning the process
18:08:55 <dka> Scribe: Dave
18:08:56 <dherman> dka: sorry I didn't share the TAG info, it's not fully up to date
18:09:00 <dka> ScribeNick: dherman
18:09:27 <dherman> plinss: first on agenda: upcoming f2f
18:09:54 <dherman> dherman: we should be able to host it but I need to get that finalized
18:10:11 <slightlyoff_> on my way
18:10:16 <dherman> dherman: should be moz SF but I'll still have to get that confirmed
18:10:22 <Zakim> + +1.415.736.aaaa
18:10:24 <dherman> plinss: have alternate space in PA in case
18:10:27 <slightlyoff> that's me
18:10:44 <dherman> dka: prefer to do it in SF since the extensible web summit will be in the city
18:10:48 <slightlyoff> JeniT: glad you know how these newfangled things work = )
18:11:22 <dherman> dka: we have space for summit meeting, but need to invite the people we said we would
18:11:43 <dherman> dka: I put a link to etherpad where we'd been collaborating on invitees to invite selected people before opening up to general registration
18:11:55 <dherman> dka: haven't sent invites yet, partially b/c I need email addresses
18:12:00 <dherman> dka: would prefer more of the group look at that list
18:12:06 <dherman> dka: wrote some proposed invitation text in etherpad
18:13:29 <dherman> dka: I'm happy to send all the invites
18:13:50 <dherman> dka: we need to keep total # of attendees to 100
18:14:01 <dherman> wycats_: would like to keep attendees to people personally invested in it
18:14:55 <dherman> wycats_: these types of conversations can meander; I want this event to help us make progress on bigger mission
18:15:03 <dherman> wycats_: if we have to waste time on education it will be less productive
18:15:19 <dherman> slightlyoff: would be good to have a couple education sessions
18:15:23 <dherman> wycats_: not saying we shouldn't
18:15:31 <dherman> wycats_: most invested people could use some alignment
18:16:01 <Zakim> -twirl
18:16:25 <Zakim> +??P11
18:16:26 <slightlyoff> "Account not found: slightlyoff@google.com, request a new account for ewe"
18:16:42 <dherman> plinss: next up -- dates for next f2f after that
18:17:25 <dherman> dka: dherman has a constraint, I contacted amy to ask about tim's schedule
18:17:34 <dherman> dka: timbl has subsequent week free
18:17:50 <dherman> wycats_: I'd have to know now
18:17:54 <dherman> dka: that's the goal now
18:18:06 <dherman> wycats_: there's a tc39 meeting on 29th
18:18:35 <dherman> dherman: so that's not conflicting, just back to back
18:19:01 <dherman> dka: it is conflicting with IETF but we don't have any real overlap
18:19:15 <dherman> wycats_: I don't think we should worry about IETF
18:19:38 <dherman> wycats_: I can't actually say yes to this now but I could in an hour or so
18:20:12 <dherman> dka: any other conflicts?
18:20:27 <dherman> slightlyoff: so we're saying 22nd?
18:20:29 <plinss> s/dka:/plinss:/
18:20:36 <dherman> dka: I'm asking JeniT if 21 - 23 would be better
18:21:22 <dherman> dherman: what's the location for july?
18:21:55 <dherman> plinss: MIT
18:22:17 <plinss> s/plinss:/dka:/
18:23:56 <dherman> dka: let's tenatively say 21st - 23rd
18:24:05 <dherman> dherman: I'll find a way to make it work
18:24:14 <Zakim> -TimBL
18:24:36 <Zakim> +TimBL
18:24:42 <dka> resolved: we're changing the dates for the july f2f to the 21-23, pending feedback from Yehuda.
18:24:44 <dherman> slightlyoff: did we go around room with status?
18:25:49 <timbl> Looks ok
18:27:16 <dherman> slightlyoff: happy to see JeniT's work progressing, still have some concerns
18:27:21 <dherman> slightlyoff: but happy to see it progressing
18:27:26 <dherman> Domenic__: continuing work on promises
18:27:36 <dherman> Domenic__: updating based on feedback
18:27:56 <dherman> Domenic__: looked at quota management api
18:28:02 <dherman> Domenic__: uses promises
18:28:06 <dherman> Domenic__: would like to provide a formal review
18:28:11 <dherman> Domenic__: maybe some bugs on spec?
18:28:19 <dherman> slightlyoff: I'd like to talk to the maintainer
18:28:28 <dherman> slightlyoff: I have real concerns about overall structure about how quotas are being perceived
18:28:33 <dherman> slightlyoff: would like to help evolve to a more coherent model
18:28:41 <dherman> Domenic__: sounds good; my feedback was minor, low-level
18:29:03 <dherman> Domenic__: I think there's some urgency given recent furor on shadow dom for us to do a review
18:29:07 <dherman> Domenic__: I might try to tackle
18:29:11 <dherman> Domenic__: don't have much familiarity with spec
18:29:24 <dherman> Domenic__: it's gonna be ambitious but I'll see if I can make time
18:29:37 <dherman> dherman: I suspect a number of us are gonna wanna get involved with shadow dom
18:29:38 <dherman> wycats_: agree
18:29:44 <dherman> wycats_: we've had an open item to get more involved
18:29:46 <twirl> +1
18:29:51 <dherman> wycats_: we need to move soon or forever hold our peace
18:30:03 <dherman> Domenic__: looks like chrome's getting ready to ship soon
18:30:14 <dherman> wycats_: chrome is saying -- hope I can trust -- that they're shipping a thing they can iterate on
18:30:18 <dherman> wycats_: hopefully still space to make changes
18:30:21 <Domenic__> quota management initial feedback https://gist.github.com/domenic/3146c10fd5ca5acae40a
18:30:25 <dherman> slightlyoff: this is a team that I led for a couple years
18:30:34 <dherman> slightlyoff: I'm not tech lead but I can vouch that they're engaged for long haul
18:31:04 <dherman> dherman: it's good that intentions are good, but clock is still ticking before sites depend on things
18:31:52 <Zakim> -twirl
18:31:54 <dherman> dka: anyone else committing time?
18:31:57 <dherman> Domenic__: I will be
18:32:06 <dherman> wycats_: I'm a quasi-implementor and have been diving in for a while
18:32:07 <twirl> I'll try
18:32:09 <dherman> wycats_: I'll work with them
18:32:16 <Zakim> +??P0
18:32:25 <dherman> wycats_: I don't want to throwing stop energy
18:32:36 <dherman> wycats_: but I also have some concerns
18:32:36 <slightlyoff> my apologies, I do need to go = \
18:32:48 <slightlyoff> will read the minutes
18:32:58 <dherman> wycats_: alex, Domenic__, dherman and I had a call last week
18:33:02 <dherman> wycats_: talked about packaging
18:33:09 <dherman> wycats_: some productive conversation on list about JeniT's proposal
18:33:17 <dherman> wycats_: I have a strong hypothesis that won't be resolved till we have a f2f
18:33:20 <dherman> wycats_: but conversation has been productive
18:33:20 <Zakim> -slightlyoff
18:33:35 <dherman> wycats_: I've been involved in continuing module discussion
18:33:43 <dherman> wycats_: very soon needs to be a thing we spend some time thinking about integrating
18:33:55 <dherman> wycats_: ES6 nearing finish line
18:34:03 <dherman> wycats_: we should start thinking how future features integrate with ES6
18:34:15 <dherman> Domenic__: that's exciting if we can start not using global
18:34:19 <dherman> wycats_: it affects web components and other stuff
18:34:29 <dherman> Domenic__: excited about Object.observe too (not ES6 but still)
18:34:31 <dherman> wycats_: yep
18:35:11 <dherman> Domenic__: on TAG list marcos has been trying to get feedback on whether we should be duplicating HTML features
18:35:19 <dherman> Domenic__: in the manifest spec
18:35:29 <dherman> Domenic__: their direction has been putting them in JSON file
18:35:35 <dherman> Domenic__: but potentially duplicating info that's in the HTML
18:35:46 <dherman> wycats_: good question
18:35:55 <dherman> wycats_: my gut feeling is that those similarities might be superficial
18:36:23 <dherman> Domenic__: we should fulfill our responsibilities and reply to marcos's request for info
18:36:31 <dherman> wycats_: there are serious issues with using in-HTML features for manifests
18:36:37 <dherman> wycats_: there are some bootstrapping problems
18:36:54 <dherman> wycats_: I'm open to a solution, but doing it in HTML is a can of worms
18:37:02 <dherman> wycats_: my gut feeling is, let's just not worry about it
18:37:24 <Zakim> +??P1
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18:37:59 <dherman> sergey: spent some time on DRM issue
18:38:06 <dherman> sergey: found some issues that I think are important
18:38:15 <dherman> sergey: I sent that to mailing list
18:38:39 <dherman> JeniT: capability URLs good practice document, sent around today
18:38:46 <dherman> JeniT: ready to go to working draft if everyone's happy with that
18:38:51 <dherman> JeniT: good to get it out and ask for comments
18:38:53 <dka> +1
18:38:57 <dka> let's do it!
18:39:02 <twirl_> +1
18:39:08 <Domenic__> +1
18:39:09 <Zakim> -TimBL
18:39:32 <dherman> resolution: publish the working draft
18:39:43 <timbl> oops
18:39:44 <dherman> JeniT: discussion on packaging proposal on list
18:40:10 <dherman> JeniT: sent a request for some evidence on packaging issues
18:40:18 <dherman> JeniT: next intend to concentrate on DRM
18:40:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:40:34 <timbl> Zakim, IPCaller is me
18:40:34 <Zakim> +timbl; got it
18:41:45 <Zakim> -JeniT
18:41:47 <Zakim> -dka
18:41:49 <Zakim> -??P1
18:41:51 <Zakim> -wycats
18:41:55 <dherman> plinss: </meeting>
18:41:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-tagmem-minutes.html Yves
18:42:11 <Zakim> -timbl
18:42:18 <dka> thanks, Dave, for scribing!
18:42:21 <dherman> np
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18:42:41 <Zakim> -plinss
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18:47:36 <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, dka, Domenic__, twirl, JeniT, wycats, [Mozilla], Yves, TimBL, +1.415.736.aaaa, slightlyoff
19:07:31 <marcosc> wycats_: it's actually quite a big deal, as it's the mechanism browser vendors are going to use to enable installable web apps.
19:07:53 <marcosc> so if it's a big f'up, then either no one will implement it or people won't use it.
19:08:06 <marcosc> it's pretty urgent to get a resolution
19:08:25 <marcosc> other wise, we will continue to have a huge gap in the web platform.
19:09:09 <marcosc> so would really appreciate some TAG help :)
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19:47:36 <dka> rsagent, draft minutes
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