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15:56:24 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:56:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:56:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:56:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:56:29 <trackbot> Date: 06 February 2014
15:56:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:42 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Feb/0005.html
15:56:48 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:56:52 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:56:56 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:57:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:57:12 <aphillip> agenda+ advice on date/time definitions
15:57:25 <aphillip> agenda+ css syntax @charset
15:57:44 <aphillip> agenda+ Publish: WYNTKA Bidi and Inline Markup ?
15:57:56 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod Editing
15:58:12 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR
15:58:15 <aphillip> agenda?
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16:01:14 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
16:01:14 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:01:15 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
16:01:16 <Zakim> +Richard
16:01:23 <Zakim> +??P15
16:01:34 <matial> zakim, ??p15 is me
16:01:35 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:01:48 <Zakim> +aphillip
16:01:54 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, matial, aphillip
16:01:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
16:02:21 <Zakim> +??P21
16:03:23 <Zakim> + +1.617.491.aaaa
16:03:41 <aphillip> zakim +1.617 is JcK
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16:03:47 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, matial, aphillip, fsasaki (muted), +1.617.491.aaaa
16:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
16:03:57 <aphillip> zakim +1.617.491.aaaa is JcK
16:04:13 <aphillip> zakim, +1.617.491.aaaa is JcK
16:04:13 <Zakim> +JcK; got it
16:04:20 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, matial, aphillip, fsasaki (muted), JcK
16:04:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
16:04:54 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
16:04:56 <aphillip> agenda?
16:05:17 <aphillip> Topic: Action Iteam
16:05:26 <aphillip> s/Iteam/Items
16:05:34 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:06:38 <aphillip> close ACTION-279
16:06:38 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-279.
16:06:58 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:07:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:07:39 <aphillip> agenda?
16:07:50 <aphillip> richard: working on counter styles
16:07:53 <aphillip> ... and tests for that
16:08:05 <aphillip> ... implementing Mati's extended Hebrew submission
16:08:20 <aphillip> ... getting close to submitting since counter-styles at css going to PR
16:08:36 <aphillip> richard: uploading a bunch of CSS tests to their suite
16:08:58 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:08:58 <Zakim> agendum 5. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
16:09:10 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
16:12:10 <aphillip> action: addison: ask for a LC due date on DOM4
16:12:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-282 - Ask for a lc due date on dom4 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-13].
16:13:09 <aphillip> agenda?
16:13:59 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:13:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Publish: WYNTKA Bidi and Inline Markup ?" taken up [from aphillip]
16:14:05 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:14:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:14:19 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/update
16:14:41 <aphillip> richard: been out for review
16:14:45 <aphillip> ... had some comments
16:14:50 <aphillip> ... addressed them
16:14:57 <aphillip> ... want to publish this, replacing the existing one
16:15:03 <aphillip> chair: all in favor?
16:15:13 <matial> no pb
16:15:17 <aphillip> richard: would like to change the title
16:15:47 <aphillip> "Inline Markup and Bidi: What you need to know"
16:16:20 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articlelist#direction
16:18:45 <aphillip> "Text Direction and Bidi"
16:20:09 <aphillip> matial: Text Direction -> Bidi ?
16:21:11 <matial> +1
16:21:14 <r12a> +1
16:21:14 <fsasaki> +1
16:21:17 <aphillip> +1
16:21:25 <JcK> yes, publish
16:21:26 <aphillip> chair: resolved to publish
16:21:44 <r12a> (note that +1s are for proposal to publish)
16:21:51 <aphillip> action: richard: publish WYNTK about bidi update, retitling as appropriate
16:21:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-283 - Publish wyntk about bidi update, retitling as appropriate [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-02-13].
16:22:01 <aphillip> agenda?
16:22:42 <aphillip> zakim, tak eup agendum 1
16:22:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'tak eup agendum 1', aphillip
16:22:47 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Feb/0006.html
16:22:52 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:22:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "advice on date/time definitions" taken up [from aphillip]
16:23:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:23:25 <aphillip> felix: who would date-time values be referenced
16:23:34 <aphillip> s/who would/how would/
16:23:45 <aphillip> ... don't want normative reference to a Note
16:23:51 <aphillip> addison: rfc3339 ?
16:24:27 <aphillip> felix: xliff 2.0 also needs a reference
16:24:55 <fsasaki> addison: reference XML schema date / time type as an option
16:25:37 <fsasaki> .. in the thread it is not strictly a time stamp
16:25:59 <fsasaki> .. if it is a complete value (date, time, timezone offset) that is a time stamp
16:26:19 <fsasaki> .. if you want to allow other things that is more complicated, see e.g. floating number discussion
16:26:58 <aphillip> felix: mainly a timestamp, I think
16:27:10 <aphillip> ... but could include things like "should be localized by such-and-such"
16:27:17 <aphillip> ... not sure if that's a timestamp
16:27:30 <fsasaki> addision: could be treated as a time stamp
16:27:36 <fsasaki> .. not necessarily floating
16:27:59 <fsasaki> .. the mail says things like "just having a year etc." - not sure about the purpose
16:28:39 <fsasaki> .. question is whether you have a specific set of date values that you want to permit, or just want to allow definition of some fields with date related information
16:31:23 <fsasaki> [discussion on XML schema data types and whether a reference to that would help]
16:31:38 <fsasaki> addision: xml schema defines all of the lexical spaces
16:31:49 <fsasaki> .. the RFC has a list of productions that you can point to normatively
16:32:01 <fsasaki> .. that does not contain all the complicated stuff you don't care about
16:32:12 <fsasaki> .. it is an RFC, that has been around for a long time
16:32:49 <aphillip> agenda?
16:33:36 <aphillip> action: felix: write back to XLIFF and ITS-IG with summary of our discussion
16:33:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-284 - Write back to xliff and its-ig with summary of our discussion [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-02-13].
16:33:43 <aphillip> agenda?
16:34:04 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:34:04 <Zakim> agendum 2. "css syntax @charset" taken up [from aphillip]
16:34:44 <aphillip> richard: we can close all of the comments?
16:35:44 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/54
16:35:48 <aphillip> addison: there transition document (see email) noted that we hadn't accept (or not) their rejection of our comments
16:36:19 <aphillip> addison: satisfied on 306/307
16:36:21 <aphillip> richard: me too
16:36:47 <aphillip> addison: other one is 329
16:37:04 <aphillip> richard: they argued clearly why they don't want to change
16:37:10 <aphillip> ... worth raising the issue
16:37:26 <aphillip> ... key thing is that it's not really a rule
16:38:58 <aphillip> richard: wrote a set of tests for syntax
16:39:03 <aphillip> ... and submitted those too
16:39:17 <aphillip> richard: never could do @charset with extra spaces
16:41:51 <aphillip> chair: should we accept this?
16:42:04 <aphillip> JcK: would prefer if we fixed it, but not sure worth objecting
16:42:52 <fsasaki> +1
16:43:11 <matial> no opinion
16:43:25 <aphillip> chair: no formal objection
16:45:03 <aphillip> action: addison: respond to ISSUE-329 indicating we are satisfied with their decision/have no formal objection
16:45:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-285 - Respond to issue-329 indicating we are satisfied with their decision/have no formal objection [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-13].
16:45:13 <aphillip> agenda?
16:45:21 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:45:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Charmod Editing" taken up [from aphillip]
16:46:12 <aphillip> http://www.doodle.com/diuzsimytq649rvp
16:46:19 <aphillip> needs to be refreshed, since it doesn't show times
16:47:46 <aphillip> agenda?
16:48:03 <aphillip> topic: AOB?
16:48:22 <aphillip> richard: recruiting?
16:49:11 <fsasaki> q+
16:49:42 <aphillip> ack fsasaki
16:49:56 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/
16:50:27 <aphillip> felix: just creating these the best practices
16:50:40 <aphillip> ... could contact them about reviews and whether they would like to join us
16:53:02 <fsasaki> s/just/the group is mainly focusing on/
16:53:07 <fsasaki> s/these//
16:53:17 <aphillip> richard: good to encourage folks to participate, particularly member orgs
16:53:54 <Zakim> -fsasaki
16:53:56 <Zakim> -matial
16:53:57 <Zakim> -JcK
16:53:57 <Zakim> -aphillip
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16:54:01 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
16:54:01 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
16:54:03 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:54:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, matial, aphillip, fsasaki, JcK
16:54:19 <aphillip> Present: Richard, Addison, Felix, Mati, JcK
16:54:26 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:54:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:55:04 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:55:04 <Zakim> apparently I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended, aphillip
16:55:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
16:55:08 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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16:55:17 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:55:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:55:23 <aphillip> RRSAgent, bye
16:55:23 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:55:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ask for a LC due date on DOM4 [1]
16:55:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-12-10
16:55:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish WYNTK about bidi update, retitling as appropriate [2]
16:55:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-21-51
16:55:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix: write back to XLIFF and ITS-IG with summary of our discussion [3]
16:55:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-33-36
16:55:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: respond to ISSUE-329 indicating we are satisfied with their decision/have no formal objection [4]
16:55:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-i18n-irc#T16-45-03