15:54:35 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 15:54:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-irc 15:54:41 trackbot, start meeting 15:54:43 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:54:45 Zakim, this will be 2119 15:54:45 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago 15:54:46 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 15:54:46 Date: 06 February 2014 15:54:57 Chair: Chaals 15:54:57 agenda+ longdesc status 15:54:57 agenda+ DOM4 is last call 15:54:57 agenda+ Canvas 2D 15:54:57 agenda+ Outstanding bugs 15:54:57 agenda+ Any other business 15:55:02 agenda? 15:58:32 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started 15:58:39 +??P5 15:58:45 zakim, ??P5 is me 15:58:45 +janina; got it 15:58:47 David has joined #html-a11y 15:59:54 LJWatson has joined #html-a11y 15:59:55 +Mark_Sadecki 16:00:38 +[IPcaller] 16:00:55 paulc has joined #html-a11y 16:00:56 +David_MacDonald 16:01:32 zakim, what is the code? 16:01:32 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc 16:02:03 +[Microsoft] 16:02:09 zakim, [Microsoft] is me 16:02:09 +paulc; got it 16:02:34 zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson 16:02:34 +LJWatson; got it 16:03:07 Billy_Gregory has joined #html-a11y 16:03:33 +[IPcaller] 16:03:42 zakim, [ip is me 16:03:42 +chaals; got it 16:03:55 +[IPcaller] 16:04:41 scribe: janina 16:05:04 agenda? 16:05:06 +Judy 16:05:10 zakim, take up item 1 16:05:10 agendum 1. "longdesc status" taken up [from chaals] 16:05:13 zakim, take up item 1 16:05:13 agendum 1. "longdesc status" taken up [from chaals] 16:05:22 Judy has joined #html-a11y 16:05:40 sn: Mark and C are working on it, making progress 16:06:03 ms: I have a repository for docs setup for this task 16:06:42 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #html-a11y 16:07:01 cn: Have been generous with late responses to date 16:07:24 s/sn:/cn:/ 16:07:44 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:07:49 zakim, next item 16:07:49 agendum 2. "DOM4 is last call" taken up [from chaals] 16:07:50 zakim, close this item 16:07:50 agendum 2 closed 16:07:50 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:07:50 3. Canvas 2D [from chaals] 16:07:58 +John_Foliot 16:08:00 -John_Foliot 16:08:10 Topic: DOM4 16:08:20 +John_Foliot 16:08:24 cn: Is a Last Call 16:08:32 zakim, mute david 16:08:32 David_MacDonald should now be muted 16:08:56 q+ 16:09:01 JF has joined #html-a11y 16:09:01 ack ja 16:09:18 JS: Discussed yesterday in PF (we had concerns relating to DOM3) 16:09:50 … so we need to carefully review DOM4 and we have several volunteer reviewers working for 26 feb deadline for PF to bring comments to this TF and the HTML WG 16:09:52 JS: PF has discussed DOM 4 yesterday. We had concerns with DOM 3, so we thought it was worth our time. We have a deadline to review by 26 FEB and will bring feedback to this TF and the HTML WG. 16:09:56 … we expect some comments 16:10:45 … But we are pleased to say Mutation Events are in the process of being overtaken by IndieUI... 16:11:09 +Suzanne_Taylor 16:11:26 st has joined #html-a11y 16:11:47 pc: Notes that DOM4 was moved to HTML-WG because it's one of HTML's key dependencies 16:12:48 +Adrian_Roselli 16:12:49 pc: We did ask for LC delay to compensate for publication delay 16:13:08 aardrian has joined #html-a11y 16:13:34 zakim, who is here? 16:13:34 On the phone I see janina, Mark_Sadecki, LJWatson, David_MacDonald (muted), paulc, chaals, [IPcaller], Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, John_Foliot, Suzanne_Taylor, Adrian_Roselli 16:13:37 On IRC I see aardrian, SuzanneT, JF, richardschwerdtfeger, Judy, Billy_Gregory, paulc, LJWatson, David, RRSAgent, Zakim, davidb, chaals, MarkS, cabanier_, hober, janina, trackbot 16:14:14 q+ 16:14:17 q? 16:14:27 ack ri 16:14:54 rs: Is there plan to do DOM4 events spec? 16:15:51 rs: Noting there's DOM3 and DOM3 Events, but not a DOM4 Events, and the topic isn't covered in the DOM4 events 16:15:53 q+ 16:16:49 cn: As I recall, DOM3 Events not based on DOM4 16:17:03 cn: Do expect DOM3 Events to be done in an HTML 5 timeline 16:17:23 cn: Best look at wiki status page 16:17:52 -> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus WebApps publication status for their specs 16:17:58 pc: Noting Sec 4.1 of DOM4 is Events 16:18:50 rs: Concerned that SVG not seeing sufficient structural support 16:19:05 cn: Does sound like this is worth reviewing 16:19:22 cn: If the HTML-WG is needing an urgent resolution, that may not be forthcoming 16:19:30 pc: Suggest look at 9.1 16:20:16 pc: Wondering whether all the necessary material has been folded into a single spec doc 16:20:57 pc: Why can't PF send comments directly? 16:21:13 CN: Can. But, TF was set up to deal with a11y issues between PF and HTML 16:21:19 q+ 16:21:26 +Cynthia_Shelly 16:21:34 ack me 16:23:37 ack j 16:23:39 JS: I'm comfortable to reply on list and to submit feedback to HTML and the F, but the TF's need to review does add a need for additional time. 16:23:40 See http://www.w3.org/TR/dom/#goals for the provenance of the DOM4 material. 16:23:58 pc: Suggest PF Chair respond to HTML Chairs on timeline constraints 16:24:00 s/the F/the TF 16:24:23 CN: People in the TF are invited to review the spec as fast as possible 16:24:40 zakim, next item 16:24:40 agendum 3. "Canvas 2D" taken up [from chaals] 16:24:44 Topic: Canvas 2d 16:25:32 ms: Noting feedback solicted week previous and were made aware of discussion on Mozilla regardingDrawFocusIfNeeded 16:25:44 ms: Issue was raised on our list 16:26:01 ms: Their question on our list caused Google to pull implementation support 16:26:17 ms: Call this week clarified that people weren't as concerned as it seemed on list 16:26:34 ms: Mozilla asked for an additional week to explore Hit Regions as an approach 16:26:50 ms: Case was strongly made for keeping the DrawFocus approach regardless 16:26:51 davidb has left #html-a11y 16:27:02 ms: And for the divion of labor between L1 and L2 16:27:07 David_ has joined #html-a11y 16:27:09 ms: Expect feedback from Mozilla asap 16:27:43 cn: So, we wait on Mozilla ... 16:28:23 zakim, who is making noise? 16:28:25 zakim, next item 16:28:25 agendum 4. "Outstanding bugs" taken up [from chaals] 16:28:33 MarkS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paulc (4%), chaals (20%) 16:28:43 zakim, who is making noise? 16:28:43 http://is.gd/VkTxop 16:28:53 chaals, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 16:29:46 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511 16:29:48 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:29:56 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511 16:29:59 zakim, who is making noise? 16:30:11 chaals, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: janina (15%), Mark_Sadecki (8%), chaals (17%) 16:30:29 document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs 16:30:58 cn: Noted resolved, needs info. 16:31:09 cn: Comment was would be taken up by HTML Mappings Guide 16:31:25 js: And move to 5.1 16:32:14 pc: Suggest opening a new 5.1 bug, linking this one for history 16:32:51 -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13549 document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs 16:33:00 cn: Q is use cases for associating elements with different forms 16:33:18 cn: Currently assigned to Cyns, keep it? 16:33:21 cs: Yes 16:33:57 js: A 5.0 issue? 16:34:01 cn: Yes, I think so 16:34:03 cs: Agreed 16:34:23 cn: Urge to catch this one fast 16:34:51 -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13553 13533 16:35:01 4.10.6 confusing, seemlingly contradictory text 16:35:10 cn: Question description of label text 16:35:26 cn: Rejected ... 16:35:41 s/.../by editor/ 16:35:56 cn: Any takers? 16:36:17 cn: Is 5.0 16:36:24 cs: Will take 16:36:33 Bug 13560 - dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs 16:36:33 -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560 Bug 13560 - dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs 16:36:56 cn: Waiting on input 16:37:16 cs: Many of these input issues handled in implementation experience and may be OBE 16:37:24 cs; I will check for us 16:37:39 -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 Bug 13566 - use of input type image to send coordinates should be phased out 16:37:48 cs: Will make new bugs for any remaining issues I find 16:38:10 cs: Suggest close 16:38:36 cn: Can live with that 16:38:53 cn: Believe WCAG pretty clear on this 16:39:31 cn: That closes list that Cyns took 16:39:47 cn: Now looking at bugs JF took up 16:39:54 -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 Bug 8657 - Allow UA to reload fallback content if it fails to load 16:40:12 zakim, unmute john 16:40:12 John_Foliot was not muted, chaals 16:40:15 will need to deila back in 16:40:19 *dial 16:40:22 -John_Foliot 16:40:37 +John_Foliot 16:41:35 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 - says subsumbed by http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152 16:41:38 jf: Believe closed 16:42:10 See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9452 for references to all the related bugs 16:43:06 pc: Suggests looking at Issue-152 16:43:51 cn: Appears the issue has been dealt with 16:44:23 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794 16:44:32 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794 16:44:40