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14:26:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:26:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 34 minutes
14:26:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:26:26 <trackbot> Date: 06 February 2014
14:26:27 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0015.html
14:26:45 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0015.html
14:27:06 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:27:18 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:27:34 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
14:27:40 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
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14:59:01 <mats> Present+ Mats_Wichmann
14:59:42 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:59:49 <Zakim> +??P5
15:00:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:04 <mats> Zakim: ??P5 is mats
15:00:07 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:00:07 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:00:19 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P5, fjh
15:00:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see mats, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, lgombos, dom, tobie_, slightlyoff_, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot
15:00:36 <fjh> zakim, ??P5 is mats
15:00:36 <Zakim> +mats; got it
15:00:51 <fjh> s/Zakim: ??P5 is mats//
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15:01:00 <dom> Zakim, ??P10 is me
15:01:00 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:01:42 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:01:52 <Zakim> +Lisa_DeLuca
15:01:57 <Zakim> +??P13
15:02:00 <anssik> zakim, ??P13 is me
15:02:00 <Zakim> +anssik; got it
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15:02:24 <LisaDeLuca_IBM> Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
15:02:34 <fjh> Present+  Anssi_Kostiainen, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:02:45 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see mats, fjh, dom, Lisa_DeLuca, anssik
15:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see LisaDeLuca_IBM, mats, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, lgombos, dom, tobie_, slightlyoff_, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot
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15:03:23 <fjh> Present+ Giri_Mandyam
15:03:41 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
15:03:47 <fjh> Approve minutes from 30 January 2014
15:03:48 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/att-0056/minutes-2014-01-30.html
15:04:10 <fjh> fjh: please note that I annotated the minutes after the call to reflect an update regarding sending a CfC for Vibration and changing the date
15:04:20 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from  30 January 2014 are approved
15:04:38 <fjh> Topic: Vibration
15:04:49 <fjh> CfC for publishing LC completes today, plan to publish Tuesday, 11 Feb. please respond to CfC on list.
15:04:50 <fjh> CfC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0055.html
15:04:51 <fjh> publication draft: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/vibration/LC3.html
15:05:06 <gmandyam> q+
15:05:17 <fjh> ack gmandyam
15:05:31 <fjh> ACTION-666?
15:05:31 <trackbot> ACTION-666 -- Giridhar Mandyam to Check with internal implementers whether vibration api is consistent with chip capabilities -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN
15:05:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/666
15:07:11 <fjh> gmandyam: some slight spec changes might be useful based on internal feedback, mostly editorial
15:07:23 <fjh> … have shared with Anssi offlist
15:07:32 <fjh> anssik: agrees changes are editorial
15:07:39 <fjh> fjh: should share this on the public list
15:07:52 <fjh> gmandyam: will send email to list outlining feedback and proposed changes
15:08:25 <fjh> anssik: rephrasing of work of spec
15:09:08 <fjh> s/work of/word of/
15:10:06 <fjh> gmandyam: pattern might not be possible if vibrator busy, driver provides this info, but on android driver does not provide this information
15:10:23 <fjh> … not saying this should be provided to developer
15:10:34 <fjh> … but if not android developer might have this information
15:10:57 <fjh> … instead of saying "or it is disabled" say "or it is disabled or it is busy"
15:11:10 <anssik> "If pattern is an empty list, or if the device does not provide a vibration mechanism (or it is disabled), then return true and terminate these steps."
15:11:28 <anssik> Giri's proposal is to s/(or it is disabled)/(or it is disabled or busy)/
15:11:47 <fjh> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/vibration/LC3.html
15:11:52 <fjh> step 10
15:12:01 <fjh> "If pattern is an empty list, or if the device does not provide a vibration mechanism (or it is disabled), then return true and terminate these steps."
15:12:28 <anssik> +1 on fjh's proposal
15:12:42 <fjh> fjh: suggest " , or if device is unable to vibrate, then return true"
15:12:44 <gmandyam> +1 on fjh's proposal too
15:12:47 <dom> +1
15:12:51 <mats> +1
15:13:11 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Adopt proposed change in LC draft
15:13:30 <fjh> close ACTION-666
15:13:30 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-666.
15:13:59 <fjh> anssik: updating LC draft now
15:14:04 <anssik> "If pattern is an empty list, or if the device is unable to vibrate, then return true and terminate these steps."
15:15:01 <fjh> Topic: Standby API Specification proposal
15:15:21 <fjh> fjh: please notice that there is a list discussion regarding possible Standby API proposal
15:15:28 <fjh> fjh: thanks Dom for quick response
15:16:07 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0001.html
15:17:30 <fjh> fjh: suggest we wait a bit for implementer support for standardizing this
15:17:39 <gmandyam> q+\
15:17:43 <gmandyam> q+
15:17:48 <gmandyam> ack \
15:19:33 <fjh> ack gmandyam
15:20:09 <fjh> fjh: if we decide to add this can do at any time?
15:20:22 <fjh> dom: yes, rechartering also happens when charter expires
15:20:33 <fjh> fjh: we need to make sure group members are ok with it from IPR perspective
15:20:48 <fjh> dom: can have CfC to agree on re-chartering
15:21:08 <fjh> gmandyam: sent an email, not sure DAP should be doing this given similar sys apps work
15:21:31 <fjh> dom: we need to give some time and thought to whether we do this, based on implementer feedback
15:21:42 <fjh> fjh: lets continue the discussion on the list
15:22:03 <fjh> Topic: Network Service Discovery
15:22:18 <gmandyam> Summarized my concern abour rechartering DAP for this deliverable on the mailing list:  this should be a two-step process, where the first step would be getting implementer feedback (which can be done in the DAP context) ...
15:22:36 <fjh> fjh: Rich, Jean-Claude, Cathy not on list so need to defer
15:22:56 <fjh> fjh: need to address issue raised by Jean-Claude http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0016.html
15:23:04 <gmandyam> Based on the feedback, the second step should be to decide whether the work actually belongs in DAP WG (versus e.g. SysApps WG)
15:23:16 <fjh> fjh: we need to determine plan for publishing updated WD, schedule for LC
15:23:33 <fjh> … updated WD is appropriate given addition of CORS
15:23:42 <fjh> … wanted to get some issues resolved before publishing
15:24:39 <dom> q+ to ask about WebAppSec
15:25:19 <fjh> ack dom
15:25:19 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about WebAppSec
15:25:38 <fjh> fjh: would like to publish an update
15:26:07 <fjh> … do we need a CfC, could ask Rich first
15:26:07 <fjh> dom: do not CfC
15:27:12 <fjh> fjh: send request for review to WebAppSec and also Security IG, have not received a response
15:27:23 <fjh> dom: might get better response without formal review request
15:27:43 <fjh> … suggest we start with WebAppSec
15:29:01 <fjh> fjh: I will follow up with Wendy and Brad
15:29:38 <fjh> dom: have Rich present specifics of problem space
15:29:59 <fjh> dom: not just about CORS, but exposing network devices without exposing devices
15:30:07 <fjh> … expose general problem space
15:30:27 <fjh> fjh: this came up on PING, the issue and problem of obscuring URLs for local network devices
15:32:33 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up on WebAppSec review
15:32:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-680 - Follow up on webappsec review [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-02-13].
15:33:04 <fjh> Topic: Action Review
15:33:12 <fjh> ACTION-523?
15:33:12 <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
15:33:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
15:33:35 <fjh> anssik: still ongoing
15:33:48 <fjh> fjh: Pending
15:33:59 <fjh> close ACTION-674
15:33:59 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-674.
15:34:14 <fjh> close ACTION-678
15:34:14 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-678.
15:34:30 <fjh> Topic: Issues
15:34:52 <fjh> ISSUE-149?
15:34:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- handling of long vibration list - truncate or no vibration at all -- closed
15:34:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/149
15:35:09 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
15:36:17 <fjh> None
15:36:19 <Zakim> -dom
15:36:20 <Zakim> -anssik
15:36:20 <Zakim> -gmandyam
15:36:22 <Zakim> -Lisa_DeLuca
15:36:23 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:36:23 <Zakim> -mats
15:36:30 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:36:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:36:37 <Zakim> -fjh
15:36:38 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:36:38 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, mats, dom, Lisa_DeLuca, anssik, gmandyam
15:55:20 <fjh> Regrets+ Cathy_Chan
15:56:15 <fjh> s/ack \\//
15:56:38 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:56:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-dap-minutes.html fjh
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