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12:00:31 <ddavis> zakim, room for 2?
12:00:32 <Zakim> ok, ddavis; conference Team_(webtv)12:00Z scheduled with code 83263 (TEAM3) for 60 minutes until 1300Z
12:01:08 <ddavis> zakim, this is 83263
12:01:08 <Zakim> ddavis, I see Team_(webtv)12:00Z in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 83263".
12:01:19 <ddavis> zakim, this will be 83263
12:01:19 <Zakim> ok, ddavis; I see Team_(webtv)12:00Z scheduled to start now
12:05:42 <Zakim> Team_(webtv)12:00Z has now started
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12:06:04 <ddavis> zakim, ??P0 is me
12:06:04 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
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13:56:09 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:56:09 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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14:00:02 <Zakim> +??P2
14:00:04 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is giuseppe
14:00:04 <Zakim> +giuseppe; got it
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14:00:27 <kaz> zakim, ??P2 is skim13
14:00:27 <Zakim> +skim13; got it
14:00:28 <kaz> zakim, giuseppe is giuseppep
14:00:28 <Zakim> +giuseppep; got it
14:00:45 <Zakim> +gmandyam
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14:01:50 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2014Feb/0000.html
14:02:02 <kaz> Meeting: Web and TV IG - Media APIs TF call
14:02:12 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, giuseppep, skim13, gmandyam, sheau
14:02:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz, gmandyam, ddavis, Sheau, giuseppep, whyun, RRSAgent, Zakim, skim13, schuki, tobie_, timeless, trackbot
14:02:54 <Zakim> +??P12
14:02:57 <ddavis> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:02:57 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
14:03:02 <Zakim> +??P15
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14:03:44 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
14:03:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, giuseppep, skim13, gmandyam, sheau, ddavis
14:03:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz_, Bin_Hu, kaz, gmandyam, ddavis, Sheau, giuseppep, whyun, RRSAgent, Zakim, skim13, schuki, tobie_, timeless, trackbot
14:03:45 <Zakim> +??P15
14:04:09 <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
14:04:28 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
14:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, giuseppep, skim13, gmandyam, sheau, ddavis, ??P15, Bin_Hu
14:04:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz_, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, Sheau, giuseppep, whyun, RRSAgent, Zakim, skim13, schuki, tobie_, timeless, trackbot
14:04:30 <kaz> kaz has joined #webtv
14:05:32 <kaz_> zakim, ??P15 is Kim
14:05:32 <Zakim> +Kim; got it
14:05:54 <ddavis> scribe: Daniel
14:05:57 <ddavis> scribenick: ddavis
14:05:57 <kaz_> Present: Kaz, Giuseppe, Skim, Giri, Sheau, Daniel, Kim, Bin
14:06:51 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: 2 weeks ago we had a short meeting and we have some outstanding items, so let's review them.
14:06:54 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
14:06:54 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
14:07:16 <ddavis> Meeting: Web & TV IG: Media APIs Task Force
14:08:02 <ddavis> Regrets: JC Verdie
14:08:23 <kaz_> topic: action items
14:08:33 <kaz_> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7 tracker
14:08:40 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We can close the first action item and open a new one at another time if necessary.
14:08:54 <kaz_> close action-125
14:08:54 <trackbot> Closed action-125.
14:09:10 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Closing action item 125
14:09:26 <kaz_> action-178?
14:09:26 <trackbot> action-178 -- Giuseppe Pascale to Start editing a req. document for this tf -- due 2013-12-18 -- OPEN
14:09:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/178
14:10:06 <Zakim> -ddavis
14:10:28 <kaz_> bin: looking at the wiki
14:10:31 <giuseppep> use cases http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
14:10:39 <Zakim> +CyrilRa
14:10:42 <giuseppep> req: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Requirements
14:10:43 <Zakim> +??P19
14:10:45 <ddavis> zakim, ??P19 is me
14:10:45 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
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14:11:39 <kaz_> bin: the wiki and the spreadsheet are up to date
14:11:45 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: The wiki and spreadsheet are up to date
14:12:33 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I think we can summarise what we have and then just point to the raw material that we already have.
14:13:04 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
14:13:04 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
14:13:15 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Any objections?
14:13:22 <ddavis> No objections
14:13:45 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We will make a summary with cross-reference links to the gap analysis/requirements spreadsheet.
14:13:55 <CyrilRa> @kaz: I am on call
14:14:13 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Looks like we have a decision on what to do for our Note.
14:14:28 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:14:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, giuseppep, skim13, gmandyam, sheau, Kim, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, ddavis (muted)
14:14:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see CyrilRa, kaz, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, Sheau, giuseppep, whyun, RRSAgent, Zakim, skim13, schuki, tobie_, timeless, trackbot
14:14:41 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:14:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:14:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:15:05 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Looking at the wiki, I'm looking at the history of our activity.
14:15:14 <Zakim> -skim13
14:15:16 <kaz> Present+ Cyril
14:15:20 <whyun> s/Kim,/Wook,/
14:15:21 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We had use case collection started in April and were all submitted by August.
14:15:35 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: So it takes about four months to collect use cases.
14:15:56 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: After that, it took a couple of conference calls to decide which use cases to include.
14:16:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:16:16 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Then one month to finalise the requirements and another month to finalise the gap analysis.
14:16:36 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: The gap analysis was finished in December in a call on 18th December.
14:16:47 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We're now at the stage of concluding the Note.
14:17:11 <kaz> Present: Kaz, Giuseppe, Skim, Giri, Sheau, Daniel, Wook, Bin, Cyril
14:17:14 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: So in reality, about 6 months from concluding use cases to publishing a Note.
14:17:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:17:37 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:17:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, giuseppep, gmandyam, sheau, Kim, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller]
14:17:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see CyrilRa, kaz, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, Sheau, giuseppep, whyun, RRSAgent, Zakim, skim13, schuki, tobie_, timeless, trackbot
14:17:45 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Altogether about 10 months for the whole process from collecting initial use cases.
14:18:01 <kaz> Chair: Bin
14:18:26 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: So maybe the next round could be completed by the end of this year (2014). If so, we can avoid the end-of-year holiday disruption.
14:18:32 <ddavis> s/round/iteration/
14:18:51 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Maybe we could aim for TPAC this year which would give us a buffer before the holiday.
14:18:54 <ddavis> +1
14:19:03 <ddavis> giuseppep: It depends on the input we get.
14:19:11 <Zakim> -Kim
14:19:28 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:19:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, giuseppep, gmandyam, sheau, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller]
14:19:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see CyrilRa, kaz, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, Sheau, giuseppep, whyun, RRSAgent, Zakim, skim13, schuki, tobie_, timeless, trackbot
14:19:35 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is Skim13
14:19:36 <Zakim> +Skim13; got it
14:19:57 <ddavis> giuseppep: It's clear that we're not working on specs, so what we do is a starting point for discussion.
14:20:16 <ddavis> giuseppep: Based on how many new inputs there are next time, we could proceed faster or slower.
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14:20:41 <Zakim> +??P15
14:20:47 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I agree it's a moving target but we should have a rough plan.
14:20:53 <kaz> [ note: our current charter expires on 20 Feb. 2015 ]
14:20:55 <whyun> zakim, ??P15 is wook
14:20:56 <Zakim> +wook; got it
14:21:07 <ddavis> Regrets+ Mark_Vickers
14:21:37 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Overall, the schedule is a very rough estimation but what is a realistic deadline for submitting use cases?
14:21:53 <kaz> Regrets: JC_Verdie, Mark_Vickers
14:22:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:22:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:22:11 <ddavis> giuseppep: After the workshop is good so maybe say mid-April?
14:22:16 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Mid-April sounds good.
14:22:34 <ddavis> giuseppep: I can add that to the wiki
14:23:26 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: OK, so we should get input after the workshop in March and we can then see if the schedule is realistic.
14:23:42 <ddavis> giuseppep: So keep the timing roughly the same as last time?
14:24:06 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: If we get some use cases by the middle of April I'd suggest that sometime in June or July we can finalise the use cases.
14:24:10 <ddavis> zakim, unmute me
14:24:10 <Zakim> ddavis should no longer be muted
14:24:12 <ddavis> q+
14:24:59 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Then in August we can finish the gap analysis.
14:25:56 <ddavis> ddavis: Things tend to be quiet during July/August
14:26:04 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Let's say end of September, then.
14:26:06 <ddavis> +1
14:26:11 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
14:26:11 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
14:26:17 <giuseppep> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs#Iterations_and_Timeline
14:27:27 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We should be in a good position to cope with the two big holiday periods.
14:27:32 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Any other comments?
14:27:33 <gmandyam> q+
14:27:37 <ddavis> ack ddavis
14:27:45 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
14:27:45 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
14:27:46 <kaz> q?
14:27:50 <kaz> ack g
14:27:52 <ddavis> ack gmandyam
14:28:07 <ddavis> gmandyam: I see the wiki hasn't been updated since November.
14:28:42 <kaz> [ use case wiki ]
14:29:03 <ddavis> giuseppep: We're keeping it open for finishing the current work. We're done with it but have to conclude it (publish the Note).
14:29:29 <ddavis> giuseppep: We need to allow new use cases to be added for the next iteration.
14:29:34 <kaz> s|use case wiki| use case wiki at: https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases |
14:29:47 <ddavis> s/sluse case wikil//
14:30:14 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: And a reminder that the schedule is a moving target and may be changed.
14:30:23 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: So closing action item 183.
14:30:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:30:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:30:40 <giuseppep> zakim, close action-183
14:30:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close action-183', giuseppep
14:30:56 <ddavis> Topic: Follow up discussion on Tuner API group
14:31:12 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Everything has been quiet since the new year.
14:31:30 <ddavis> giuseppep: The main question is what is the output of this discussion.
14:31:50 <kaz> close action-183
14:31:50 <trackbot> Closed action-183.
14:31:52 <ddavis> zakim, unmute me
14:31:52 <Zakim> ddavis should no longer be muted
14:31:55 <ddavis> q+
14:32:08 <ddavis> giuseppep: Is the Tuner API the only use case so far?
14:35:10 <kaz> ddavis: multiscreen advertisement and water marking?
14:35:20 <ddavis> ddavis: Getting confused...
14:35:24 <kaz> giuseppep: I meant the ones for the first iteration
14:35:39 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: There may be more gaps than that.
14:36:07 <Zakim> -wook
14:36:17 <Sheau> not just watermarking but also fingerprinting.
14:36:20 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Some of those gaps are address by their relevant specs.
14:37:10 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We need to communicate with the relevant groups and fill gaps in existing specs.
14:37:31 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: And also look at where we need new specs, for example with a community group.
14:37:32 <Zakim> +??P15
14:37:42 <kaz> zakim, ??P15 is wook
14:37:44 <Zakim> +wook; got it
14:37:54 <ddavis> giuseppep: If we do this exercise we should make sure we have proper follow up.
14:38:46 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Some of the discussion was on the name of the group.
14:39:18 <ddavis> giuseppep: I think we can do this discussion and finalise the Task Force note in parallel.
14:39:34 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I think Kaz is going to find out how to create the community group.
14:40:08 <ddavis> giuseppep: I think it's OK even if you're not a W3C member to create a community group. When 5 people have joined it begins.
14:40:27 <ddavis> kaz: We also record the final decision to create the group in these minutes.
14:40:36 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/community/ Community Groups site
14:40:48 <ddavis> ddavis: Yes, there was unfinished discussions about the naming
14:41:00 <ddavis> giuseppep: So we should figure out the scope first and then the naming.
14:41:13 <kaz> +1
14:41:33 <ddavis> giuseppep: If I remember correctly, the scope is to control a device through a web API.
14:41:49 <kaz> s/site/site (click "START A COMMUNITY GROUP" :)/
14:42:08 <ddavis> Sheau: There was an issue about the definition of "tuner".
14:42:29 <ddavis> Sheau: In the IP era, the concept of tuner has evolved greatly. So we need to make the definition clear.
14:43:02 <ddavis> giuseppep: If I have an HTML5-based API how do I integrate the video tuner into my application?
14:43:36 <kaz> s/GROUP"/GROUP" to create a CG/
14:43:40 <ddavis> Sheau: We should establish whether tuner is referred to in the more traditional RF way or in a more general way.
14:43:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:43:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/05-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:44:08 <ddavis> giuseppep: If we make things too generic it's more difficult to solve the problem.
14:44:25 <ddavis> giuseppep: It's easier to have a group focussed on a specific problem.
14:44:55 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Everything is moving very fast so if we limit it to broadcast tuner only we may not attract more participants to this group.
14:44:59 <ddavis> q+
14:45:10 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: That could limit interest in the group.
14:45:19 <kaz> q?
14:45:47 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: If we can expand the scope to a logical tuner that can accept all video streams, we may get more people to participate.
14:45:58 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Set-top boxes can also have the role of a tuner.
14:45:58 <Sheau> q+
14:46:19 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: The user doesn't care if the signal is from IPTV or broadcast.
14:46:49 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Also, we won't have much more difference from the application developer's difference.
14:47:03 <ddavis> giuseppep: What is the concept we're trying to model, is it channels?
14:47:34 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Maybe it's a TV channel, maybe it's from an IPTV box.
14:49:01 <ddavis> ack ddavis
14:49:05 <ddavis> ack Sheau
14:49:33 <ddavis> ddavis: Mark_Vickers says it's a naming issue - tuners and channels may not be hardware tuners only and traditional TV channels only.
14:49:42 <ddavis> Sheau: I agree with Mark's statement.
14:50:01 <ddavis> Sheau: We have multiple interfaces to media sources.
14:50:33 <ddavis> Sheau: There may be addition sources - how can we be able to compare hardware tuners to software aggregators that have logical channels?
14:50:47 <ddavis> Sheau: We should have a way to identify these.
14:51:05 <ddavis> giuseppep: I agree that it should be more generic and we have a naming problem.
14:51:22 <ddavis> giuseppep: How can we put this in words to identify the scope.
14:51:39 <kaz> q+
14:51:52 <ddavis> Sheau: Are you thinking about media selection that Kaz mentioned?
14:51:56 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
14:51:56 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
14:52:16 <ddavis> giuseppep: I don't know the best way to phrase this.
14:52:21 <ddavis> zakim, unmute me
14:52:21 <Zakim> ddavis should no longer be muted
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14:52:37 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Daniel, maybe you can capture what Mark mentioned?
14:52:41 <Zakim> -wook
14:53:10 <Zakim> +??P15
14:53:25 <whyun> zakim, ??P15 is Wook
14:53:25 <Zakim> +Wook; got it
14:53:36 <Zakim> -Wook
14:53:41 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: How about you make a record capturing the essence that the scope is a more general tuner api.
14:53:53 <Zakim> +??P15
14:53:57 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: You can put it in the Task Force wiki.
14:54:04 <whyun> zakim, ??P15 is Wook
14:54:04 <Zakim> +Wook; got it
14:54:04 <kaz> zakim, ??P15 is wook
14:54:06 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as Wook, kaz
14:54:12 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Then in the next conference call we can agree on the scope.
14:54:29 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: We'll probably have different ideas for names but we can come to an agreement.
14:54:41 <ddavis> ACTION: ddavis to put scope of Tuner API into task force wiki.
14:54:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - Put scope of tuner api into task force wiki. [on Daniel Davis - due 2014-02-12].
14:55:26 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: In the next meeting, we'll have 2 things - review draft of Note, and discussion of scope of new Tuner API community group.
14:55:30 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Any other business?
14:55:51 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I think we can adjourn the meeting.
14:56:07 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: An effective call today. Talk to you in two weeks...
14:56:43 <ddavis> giuseppep: Daniel, if you write something, please send it to the mailing list so we can discuss it there.
14:56:55 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:56:57 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Thanks all. Bye
14:56:58 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
14:56:59 <Zakim> -sheau
14:57:04 <Zakim> -giuseppep
14:57:04 <Zakim> -Wook
14:57:05 <Zakim> -CyrilRa
14:57:08 <Zakim> -ddavis
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14:57:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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