IRC log of er on 2014-02-05

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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 05 February 2014
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+[IPcaller]
13:29:01 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is me
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+shadi; got it
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+??P11
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just a sec
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ok
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13:51:21 [shadi]
hi samuel, are you joining the call?
13:51:35 [shadi]
:(
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[[A cookie is a name-value pair that it is stored in the browser of the user [HTTPCOOKIES]. Cookies contain information relevant to the website that is being rendered and often include authentication and session information. This information is relevant to other use cases, like the crawling tool described later.]]
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[[Similarly to content negotiation, evaluation tools can control the HTTP headers to exchange cookies with the web server to imitate particular situations. Evaluation tools can allow the tool users to set the behavior, in particular in combination with test automation functionality. For example, tool users can set the evaluation tools to accept or reject cookies on particular web pages, or to send cookies with specific parameters on other web pages, to evoke web appl
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ications to generate particular content.]]
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scribe: shadi
13:59:54 [shadi]
SAZ: describing the function of an evaluation tool rather than describing what a cookie is
14:01:44 [shadi]
CV: some people don't know what cookies are
14:01:52 [shadi]
SAZ: could add the reference
14:04:04 [shadi]
SAZ: the first approach explains cookies but does not explain the tool function at all
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...this is what we need to change
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...to describe the actual functionality rather than the technology
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Topic: Editorial Approach
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Topic: concept of "Evaluation Tool"
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT#tools
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14:08:04 [shadi]
SAZ: think the features could be more applicable than to "web accessibility evaluation tools" only
14:08:30 [shadi]
...so needed broader term, and calling them "evaluation tools" now
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CV: seems OK but would start the list with web accessibility evaluation tools
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Topic: Abstract
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT#abstract
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SAZ: important to review this section
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...it sets the tone and the framing for the document
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...also a brief synposis of what's to come
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...we need to agree on what is in it, even though it may change over time
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CV: like it at first but will look at it more closeky
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SAZ: also introduction and the (example) use cases there
14:14:59 [shadi]
SAZ: often use cases work better than trying to enumerate audiences
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...did not draw out a separate section for the use cases to keep the document simple
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Topic: Grouping of Features
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT#toc
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CV: mostly like it except 2.1 and 2.2
14:16:21 [samuelm]
Question: as far as I understand, the organization of the document has been revamped, sections from 2.2 to 2.5 are deemed to be extracted from the following sections, kept from the previous version, right?
14:17:46 [shadi]
Response: yes - this document version proposes a new grouping/organization of the features
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CV: don't like traversing
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SAZ: is it the wording? would the grouping work if the heading title was different?
14:20:32 [shadi]
CV: don't like the limitation of 2.1.6
14:20:33 [samuelm]
agree that traversing probably doesn't reflect well the goal, maybe content retrieval / acquisition / etc. (traversing for me seems applicable to crawling specially)
14:20:45 [shadi]
SAZ: but the grouping overall works?
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CV: more or less, not like 2.1.7
14:21:59 [samuelm]
regarding grouping: I don't agree with 2.2.1, 2.2.2, and 2.2.3 into testing functionality
14:22:34 [samuelm]
... or maybe I did not understand well those points
14:23:23 [samuelm]
the point is they do not seem deal with what you are testing against, but what is your test subject
14:24:26 [shadi]
2.2.1 is intended to describe tool capability in testing different formats, 2.2.2 in testing content in different langauges, and 2.2.3 in testing content snippets
14:24:37 [shadi]
...seems that this is not clear to CV either
14:26:32 [samuelm]
I understand specific test cases may be needed for different formats (clearly), different languages (e.g. readability) and content snippets (e.g. do not try to validate as xml document), but do not think they fit that way
14:27:02 [samuelm]
plus, I think content-snippets should be first and overall a way to retrieve contents
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-??P11
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-shadi
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were shadi
14:33:41 [samuelm]
k
14:34:01 [shadi]
thanks samuel!
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
14:34:10 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/05-er-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items