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15:57:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:57:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM already started
15:57:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:57:59 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2014
15:58:07 <Joshue108> agenda?
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15:58:29 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 7,8,9,10,11
15:58:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drop item 7,8,9,10,11', Joshue108
15:58:35 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 7
15:58:35 <Zakim> agendum 7, Short, easy survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140128/, dropped
15:58:39 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 8
15:58:39 <Zakim> agendum 8, CSUN F2F update, dropped
15:58:42 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 9
15:58:42 <Zakim> agendum 9, Techniques planning for next update, dropped
15:58:45 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 10
15:58:45 <Zakim> agendum 10, Call for reviewers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html, dropped
15:58:48 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 11
15:58:48 <Zakim> agendum 11, Post WCAG 2 wiki, dropped
15:58:55 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
15:58:55 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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15:59:17 <Joshue108> agenda + Git hub training/Intro
15:59:48 <Joshue108> agenda +   Survey on continued Institutional Memory exercise and Topics for CSUN F2F
15:59:48 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Feb4th_2014/
16:00:02 <Joshue108> zakim, clear agenda
16:00:02 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:00:19 <Joshue108> agenda + Git hub training/Intro
16:00:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:00:32 <Loretta> zakim, ipcaller is Loretta
16:00:32 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:00:36 <Joshue108> agenda +   Survey on continued Institutional Memory exercise and Topics for CSUN F2F
16:00:36 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Feb4th_2014/
16:00:40 <Zakim> +dshkolnik
16:01:00 <Kathleen> Kathleen has joined #wai-wcag
16:01:00 <awk> Zakim, dshkolnik is AWK
16:01:00 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
16:01:12 <Joshue108> agenda + Future planning for WCAG (WCAG 2.0 – wiki).
16:01:35 <Zakim> +Michel_Fitos
16:01:38 <Joshue108> Chair: Andrew Kirkpatrick
16:01:51 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:01:52 <Zakim> +Kathleen
16:02:01 <Zakim> +??P0
16:02:09 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is Michael_Cooper
16:02:09 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
16:05:12 <w3c> Barry Johnson can't call in right now. Will follow on IRC.
16:06:13 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:06:13 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:06:26 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:07:09 <JF> JF has joined #wai-wcag
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16:07:25 <Joshue108> awk, pls put URI into irc
16:07:34 <awk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
16:08:18 <awk> zakim, agenda?
16:08:18 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:08:19 <Zakim> 1. Git hub training/Intro [from Joshue108]
16:08:19 <Zakim> 2. Survey on continued Institutional Memory exercise and Topics for CSUN F2F [from Joshue108]
16:08:19 <Zakim> 3. Future planning for WCAG (WCAG 2.0 – wiki). [from Joshue108]
16:08:26 <awk> Zakim, take up item 1
16:08:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Git hub training/Intro" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:08:41 <Kathleen> I do
16:08:44 <David> +1
16:08:46 <awk> Who has a github account?
16:08:46 <Joshue108> I do
16:08:47 <Loretta> I believe I do (but have never used it).
16:09:01 <JF> what Loretta said
16:09:34 <Kathleen> awk: we want to show people where things are in github
16:09:37 <w3c> I do
16:09:52 <Kathleen> awk: not regular html
16:11:36 <Kathleen> awk: has any one with a github account taken a look at the github repository?
16:12:05 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:12:05 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:12:15 <Kathleen> awk: please create a github account if you haven't already
16:12:40 <Kathleen> awk: github a potential topic for csun f2f
16:12:49 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:13:21 <awk> https://github.com/w3c/wcag
16:15:15 <Kathleen> awk: click on the wcag 2.0 folder
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16:15:39 <Kathleen> awk: click on sources folder
16:15:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:16:08 <kerstin> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:16:08 <Zakim> +kerstin; got it
16:16:12 <kerstin> zaim, mue me
16:16:19 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
16:16:19 <Zakim> kerstin should now be muted
16:16:19 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about what I want to do to these files structurally
16:16:24 <awk> https://github.com/w3c/wcag
16:16:29 <Kathleen> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/blob/master/wcag20/sources/ARIA-tech-src.xml
16:18:39 <Joshue108> ack me
16:19:02 <awk> ack michael
16:19:02 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about what I want to do to these files structurally
16:19:03 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:19:05 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:19:45 <Joshue108> good stuff michael
16:21:00 <Kathleen> awk: need to take advantage of familiar structures HTML vs XML
16:21:08 <MichaelC> ack me
16:21:45 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about norms for editing
16:22:07 <Kathleen> awk: hitting the Edit button will fork the document to you
16:22:28 <Kathleen> You are editing a file in a project you do not have write access to. We are forking this project for you (if one does not yet exist) to write your proposed changes to. Submitting a change to this file will write it to a new branch in your fork so you can send a pull request.
16:24:31 <marcjohlic> q+
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16:24:51 <Kathleen> awk: Github can be thought of as a staging server
16:25:11 <Joshue108> ack me
16:25:16 <MichaelC> ack me
16:25:16 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about norms for editing
16:25:17 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:25:17 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:25:20 <Kathleen> awk: changes will be reviewed and then moved up to the W3C server
16:26:19 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:26:19 <Zakim> I see marcjohlic on the speaker queue
16:26:21 <kerstin> great work michael
16:26:46 <Kathleen> aw: right now, the people who can merge changes are Michael, Joshue and myself
16:27:10 <Zakim> +EricP
16:27:13 <Kathleen> <Kathleen> awk: right now, the people who can merge changes are Michael, Joshue and myself
16:27:30 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
16:27:30 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
16:27:35 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
16:27:35 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
16:28:18 <Kathleen> awk: click on the issues button to see what changes have been proposed
16:29:13 <Kathleen> awk: we hope to process changes quickly
16:31:02 <Kathleen> awk: a pull request is asking the repository to pull my chnages back in
16:31:58 <Kathleen> awk: green new issue button can be used for changes that are not code changes
16:32:19 <awk> Zakim, queue?
16:32:19 <Zakim> I see marcjohlic on the speaker queue
16:32:29 <awk> ack marc
16:32:29 <Joshue108> ack mar
16:33:31 <Kathleen> awk: this is a public space so comments need to be public-consumable
16:34:31 <Kathleen> awk: go back up to the top - click on wcag
16:35:00 <Kathleen> awk: clone in desktop will give you a local copy of the files
16:35:44 <Joshue108>  if anyone is looking for a nice Mac OSX XML editor, I use http://xmplifyapp.com/
16:35:46 <Kathleen> awk: Github provides tools for syncing
16:36:16 <JF> Q+
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16:37:12 <Joshue108> ack john
16:37:14 <JF> ack JF
16:37:40 <Kathleen> JF: will there be a github session at CSUN?
16:38:11 <Kathleen> awk: who feels a github session at CSUN would be helpful? Useful?
16:38:26 <kerstin> will there be a livestream of the f2f-meeting?
16:38:40 <Joshue108> ack me
16:39:05 <JF> +1 to Josh
16:39:21 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:39:21 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:39:48 <awk> David: github tool offered on the github site is good
16:40:07 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
16:40:07 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:40:08 <Zakim> 1. Git hub training/Intro [from Joshue108]
16:40:08 <Zakim> 2. Survey on continued Institutional Memory exercise and Topics for CSUN F2F [from Joshue108]
16:40:08 <Zakim> 3. Future planning for WCAG (WCAG 2.0 – wiki). [from Joshue108]
16:40:42 <Joshue108> zakim, next item
16:40:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Survey on continued Institutional Memory exercise and Topics for CSUN F2F" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:41:03 <Kathleen> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Feb4th_2014/
16:41:43 <Kathleen> awk: jump down to  CSUN F2F Topics
16:41:56 <Kathleen> TOPIC:  CSUN F2F Topics
16:42:40 <Joshue108> ack me
16:43:21 <Kathleen> Joshue108: the future of WCAG, what needs to be done, major topics we need to address in any future versions of WCAG
16:43:47 <Kathleen> Joshue108: open disucssion, lessons learned from the past
16:44:34 <Joshue108> s/disucssion/discussion
16:44:38 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:44:38 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:44:53 <Kathleen> awk: need gap analysis so we know what we don't know
16:45:37 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:45:37 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:45:45 <Joshue108> +q
16:45:47 <Joshue108> ack me
16:46:15 <Kathleen> Joshue108: does anyone have any questions or concerns about this?
16:46:58 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:46:58 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:46:58 <Kathleen> q+
16:47:26 <JF> did I miss a memo? can we recap when the F-2-F is (time and date?)
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16:47:55 <Joshue108> ack me
16:48:07 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:48:07 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:48:21 <JF> ack K
16:48:38 <JF> Q+
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16:48:56 <Kathleen> awk: there will be a phone, don't know about video. Maybe Skype if CSUN supports the bandwidth.
16:49:09 <kerstin> +1
16:49:09 <awk> The F2F is planned for Tuesday of CSUN week
16:49:27 <Kathleen> JF: IRC feed? and use the conference bridge?
16:49:35 <MichaelC> ack me
16:49:44 <JF> ack  JF
16:50:44 <MichaelC> q+
16:50:58 <awk> ack mi
16:51:43 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:51:56 <JF> lost you Michael
16:52:08 <Zakim> +??P0
16:52:12 <awk> MC: would rather spend time on how to improve support for WCAG 2.0 materials
16:52:25 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:52:25 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:52:33 <JF> zakim, ??PO is MichaelC
16:52:33 <Zakim> sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named '??PO'
16:52:40 <Joshue108> +1 to talking about post WCAG stuff
16:52:51 <Joshue108> +q
16:53:14 <JF> zakim, whos on the phone
16:53:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whos on the phone', JF
16:53:25 <Joshue108> ack me
16:53:29 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is Michael_Cooper
16:53:29 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
16:53:31 <JF> zakim, who is here?
16:53:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Loretta, AWK, Michel_Fitos, David_MacDonald, Kathleen, John_Foliot, Marc_Johlic, kerstin (muted), wuwei (muted), Michael_Cooper
16:53:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see wuwei, kerstin, marcjohlic, JF, Kathleen, Loretta, RRSAgent, David, Joshue108, w3c, awk, Kathy, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
16:53:54 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2
16:54:19 <awk> MC: improving WCAG editing process and procedures worthwhile topic (includes some time on GitHub)
16:54:26 <JF> Q+
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16:54:42 <Joshue108> ack jf
16:54:45 <MichaelC> q+ to ask about institutional memory collection
16:55:24 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute me
16:55:24 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
16:55:31 <Kathleen> JF: has anyone reached out to Lisa Seeman re: cognitive working group?
16:55:48 <Kathleen> MichaelC: it's a task force
16:56:02 <Kathleen> q+
16:56:06 <JF> s/cognitive working group/cognitive task force
16:56:16 <Kathleen> q_
16:56:20 <Kathleen> q-
16:56:23 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
16:56:23 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:56:37 <Joshue108> ack kathl
16:56:49 <MichaelC> ack me
16:56:51 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask about institutional memory collection
16:57:11 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
16:57:11 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:57:55 <MichaelC> q+ to propose social - dinner together after or something
16:58:00 <MichaelC> ack me
16:58:01 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to propose social - dinner together after or something
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16:58:36 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
16:58:39 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
16:58:39 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:58:44 <Kathleen> MichaelC: value of F2F is reaquainting with each other - propose a dinner or someting?
16:58:50 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
16:58:50 <Zakim> Kathy_Wahlbin should now be muted
16:59:22 <Kathleen> awk: F2F pinned down to Tuesday and effectively all day
17:00:30 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:00:30 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
17:02:06 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
17:02:06 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:02:07 <Kathleen> q+
17:02:18 <awk> ack Kathleen
17:03:08 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:03:13 <Kathleen> RESOLUTION: ideas include Github, gap analysis, improve support for WCAG 2.0, vNext of WCAG, improving editorial and public input process, institutional memory collection, dinner
17:03:34 <Joshue108> ack me
17:03:42 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
17:03:42 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:03:43 <Zakim> 2. Survey on continued Institutional Memory exercise and Topics for CSUN F2F [from Joshue108]
17:03:43 <Zakim> 3. Future planning for WCAG (WCAG 2.0 – wiki). [from Joshue108]
17:03:58 <awk> Zakim, next item
17:03:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Future planning for WCAG (WCAG 2.0 – wiki)." taken up [from Joshue108]
17:04:25 <awk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2
17:04:50 <Joshue108> +1 to adding questions
17:05:36 <Kathleen> awk: need to add cognitive and mobile issues
17:06:39 <Kathleen> awk: anyone have anything to share? pain points?
17:07:05 <Kathleen> David: followup on PF meeting in Toronto re alt text discussions
17:07:11 <Kathleen> David: F65
17:10:04 <Joshue108> +q
17:10:07 <Joshue108> ack me
17:11:01 <awk> Zakim, close this item
17:11:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
17:11:02 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
17:11:28 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:11:29 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
17:13:50 <Kathleen> awk: will send a note with final details for CSUN as soon as I get them
17:14:19 <Zakim> -Joshue
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17:15:23 <Kathleen> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:15:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html Kathleen
17:17:18 <Kathleen> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:17:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html Kathleen
17:17:29 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:17:30 <Zakim> -AWK
17:17:32 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
17:17:35 <Zakim> -Michel_Fitos
17:17:36 <Zakim> -wuwei
17:17:36 <Zakim> -kerstin
17:17:37 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:17:39 <Zakim> -Kathleen
17:17:40 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
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17:34:11 <Kathy> Kathy has left #wai-wcag
18:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, David_MacDonald, in WAI_WCAG()11:00AM
18:05:03 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
18:05:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Joshue, Loretta, AWK, Michel_Fitos, David_MacDonald, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper, John_Foliot, Marc_Johlic, kerstin, wuwei, Kathy_Wahlbin
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