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14:38:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 328
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14:38:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:38:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:38:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:38:05 <trackbot> Date: 31 January 2014
14:38:34 <KimPatch>  zakim, this is 6283
14:38:34 <Zakim> KimPatch, I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 6283".
14:38:46 <KimPatch>  zakim, this will be 6283
14:38:46 <Zakim> ok, KimPatch; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
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14:39:14 <KimPatch> chair: Kimberly_Patch
14:40:36 <KimPatch> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Jan/0009.html
14:41:14 <KimPatch> agenda?
14:41:35 <KimPatch> agenda+ Mobile Accessibility Techniques
14:41:36 <KimPatch> agenda+ Next Steps
14:41:42 <KimPatch> agenda?
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14:53:07 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
14:53:14 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
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14:59:49 <Zakim> +Kathleen
14:59:53 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
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15:01:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:01:29 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:01:29 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:02:04 <Zakim> +Jeanne
15:03:22 <jeanne> scribenick: jeanne
15:04:04 <Zakim> +EricP
15:04:20 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:04:20 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
15:04:36 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
15:04:36 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
15:05:14 <jeanne> agenda?
15:05:26 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Mobile Accessibility Techniques" taken up [from KimPatch]
15:05:41 <KimPatch> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_WCAG_Techniques
15:05:42 <jeanne> KP: Today we are going to walk through the process of evaluating the techniques
15:06:15 <jeanne> This is #4 in "Work in PRogress" section
15:06:29 <jeanne> ... In the survey, you signed up for one of these sections
15:06:44 <jeanne> ... there are instructions and samples in the "General Techniques" section
15:07:03 <jeanne> ... what you will do is click the Technique list you signed up for
15:07:31 <jeanne> ... you will see the Instructions, and under that is the list of all the Techniques
15:07:53 <jeanne> ... in the General section, Jeanne did the first 3 as a sample
15:08:27 <jeanne> KP: If Not Applicable, you will edit the list, and paste the code in the box i
15:08:28 <Jan> q+
15:08:50 <jeanne> ...
15:10:17 <jeanne> JR: When we are looking at the Techniques, are we seeing these as applying to sites with mobile optimized page.
15:10:38 <jeanne> ... When we are assessing them, what level of mobile optimization should we be thinking?
15:11:17 <jeanne> KP: We want all levels.
15:12:15 <jeanne> ... change that to a "requires changes" -- [gives instructions for requires changes]
15:13:44 <Jan> ack Jan
15:14:13 <jeanne> Alan: It's important to consider all kinds of mobile devices
15:14:15 <Jan> Instructions ok
15:16:26 <jeanne> Kathleen: I don't know what you mean by the [[ ]] and don't include the colon
15:16:59 <jeanne> JS: we are trying to create a list where we can all see what needs to be worked on.
15:17:22 <jeanne> ... and then create a new page for a Technique that needs more work
15:19:45 <jeanne> Topic: How wide to we cast the net?
15:21:48 <jeanne> JR: I think we will have very few "not applicable", a lot of "applicable as is" and then a group of "requires changes"
15:22:49 <jeanne> KP: I think if it applies broadly, we should mark it as requires changes and then put it in the comments.
15:23:28 <jeanne> JR:  I think we have to be very careful about marking existing WCAG techniques as not APplicable.
15:23:47 <jeanne> ... for example, saying keyboard doesn't apply to mobile is not correct.
15:24:19 <jeanne> ... be careful about marking things as not applicable, because there will be very very few that actually are not applicable.
15:24:30 <jeanne> ... beware of stereotypes of mobile
15:25:05 <jeanne> Alan: I think when we look at different devices and screensides we have to be very careful of saying "not applicable"
15:25:39 <jeanne> JS: Should we remove the "not applicable" and only work with "as is" and "changes"
15:25:57 <jeanne> ALan: I think we can keep it, but use it very rarely.
15:27:10 <jeanne> JS: I worry that people not in this meeting may not understand the context we have been discussing
15:27:19 <jeanne> ALan: Put a note in the instructions
15:28:14 <jeanne> KP: Next time people will have more experience and things will come up.
15:30:49 <Zakim> -Jan
15:30:51 <jeanne> JS: There will be a meeting on 5th to coordinate with other task forces who are working on the Techniques
15:30:56 <Zakim> -Kathleen
15:31:12 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
15:31:17 <Zakim> -wuwei
15:31:18 <jeanne> ... that Kathy and Kim will be attending
15:31:25 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
15:31:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Jeanne
15:31:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see Alan_, jeanne, Jan, wuwei, Kathleen, Zakim, RRSAgent, KimPatch, MichaelC, trackbot
15:32:20 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:32:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/31-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
15:32:23 <Alan_> Alan will work on his items over the weekend so you have supporting documentation for your Wednesday meeting with the other workgroups.
15:32:37 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
15:32:45 <jeanne> regrets+ gavin, kathy
15:32:59 <jeanne> zakim, bye
15:32:59 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathleen, Alan_Smith, Jan, Jeanne, wuwei
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15:33:10 <jeanne> present+ Kim_Patch, Kathleen, Alan_Smith, Jan, Jeanne, wuwei
15:33:24 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:33:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/31-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
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15:40:17 <KimPatch> regrets+ david todd
15:40:35 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/31-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
15:41:01 <jeanne> regrets- david todd
15:41:12 <jeanne> regrets+ david_todd
15:41:21 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/31-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
15:41:44 <jeanne> rrsagent, bye
15:41:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items