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14:54:29 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
14:54:30 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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14:54:43 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:54:43 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/01/29-agenda
14:54:43 <Norm> Date: 29 Jan 2014
14:54:43 <Norm> Meeting: 241
14:54:44 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:54:46 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:54:48 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:56:23 <Norm> zakim, passcode?
14:56:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
14:56:30 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has now started
14:56:37 <Zakim> +Norm
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14:59:47 <Zakim> +??P10
15:00:22 <jf_2013> coming
15:00:26 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
15:01:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:54 <Norm> zakim, +[ is jf_2013
15:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+['
15:02:01 <Norm> zakim, + is jf_2013
15:02:02 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+'
15:02:11 <Norm> zakim, +IPcaller is jf_2013
15:02:13 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
15:02:23 <Norm> zakim +[IP is jf_2013
15:02:38 <Norm> zakim, +[IP is jf_2013
15:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+[IP'
15:02:53 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
15:02:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, ht (muted), Alex_Milows, [IPcaller]
15:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, alexmilowski, jf_2013, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, liam
15:02:57 <Norm> zakim, [IP is jf_2013
15:02:57 <Zakim> +jf_2013; got it
15:03:19 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:03:19 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/01/29-agenda
15:03:23 <Norm> Accepted.
15:03:26 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:03:26 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/12/11-minutes
15:03:34 <Norm> Accepted.
15:03:37 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: 5 Feb 2014.
15:03:50 <Norm> No regrets heard
15:04:11 <Norm> Topic: Open actions
15:04:25 <Norm> Jim: I've got the scxml review ready; where should I send it?
15:04:30 <Norm> Norm: Send it to the WG list.
15:04:41 <Norm> Topic: Face-to-face planning
15:05:55 <Norm> Norm: Jim wants to participate remotely.
15:06:11 <Norm> Henry: I'll try to borrow a high-end conference phone for the meeting.
15:06:23 <Norm> Norm: Thank you, Henry
15:06:56 <Norm> ACTION A-241-01: Henry to see about borrowing a quality conference phone for the face-to-face
15:07:41 <Norm> Henry: I noted an email somewhere about a request for an XProc status report at the eXist pre-conference
15:09:11 <Norm> Henry: No, I was mistaken. It wasn't a request.
15:09:39 <Norm> ...It was a link to a presentation at Stylus Studio.
15:09:57 <Norm> Jim: I have a pending pull request to eXist to update the Calabash implementation.
15:10:25 <Norm> Alex: I see Jim is on the pre-conference agenda now, I don't think he was there yesterday.
15:10:40 <ht> http://www.stylusstudio.com/XML-Editor-Blog/2014/01/15/XML-Pipelines-Presentation.aspx
15:12:36 <Norm> Jim: What's the agenda?
15:12:47 <Norm> Norm: I think we should begin to look at technical solutions for the requirements.
15:13:05 <alexmilowski> Crazy bit in the agenda: Henry to deal with “23603” and “23606” (remove old school capitalization)
15:13:32 <Norm> ...In advance of a rechartering, that's a little risky, but if nothing else it's an exploration of the requirements.
15:15:23 <Norm> Alex: I've made dinner reservations for us on Wednesday night, 19 Feb, at 7:30p.
15:15:41 <Norm> Topic: Rechartering planning
15:15:46 <Norm> Norm: The thrust here is: no more XPP
15:16:21 <jf_2013> +1 to that
15:16:29 <ht> Silence gives consent
15:16:44 <Norm> No objections heard.
15:17:21 <Norm> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Jan/0020.html
15:17:54 <jf_2013> +1
15:18:01 <jf_2013> to publishing as a note
15:18:02 <Norm> Norm: If we're not carrying XPP forward, I think we should wrap it up and publish it as a note.
15:18:18 <Norm> Alex: Do we need to do anything?
15:18:36 <Norm> Henry: I think I've done the important ones. The only question is, should we take the pictures and discussion about validation back out?
15:18:43 <Norm> Norm: Why?
15:18:49 <Norm> Henry: It's had no review.
15:19:32 <Norm> Norm: I think we can leave itin.
15:19:42 <Norm> s/itin/it in/
15:19:52 <Norm> Jim: For what it's worth, I found the flowcharts useful.
15:20:15 <Norm> ACTION A-240-02: Package up the current XPP document as a Note and request publication.
15:20:44 <Norm> Norm: I'll touch base with Liam and drop the open actions related to XPP except for that one.
15:20:49 <Norm> Topic: Progress on 1.0 bugs
15:21:45 <Norm> Norm: We've received some community pushback on resolving 1.0 bugs. I did a couple.
15:22:35 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Jan/0009.html
15:24:39 <Norm> Norm attempts to explain.
15:24:49 <Norm> Henry: I think I prefer caching, but we can't do that as an erratum, it has to go in V2.
15:25:16 <Norm> Norm: I suppose as an erratum, we have to say the document-uri property is empty.
15:26:27 <Norm> Henry: My inclination is to simply publish an erratum that says there's a bug here; that the spec is underspecified; it's defacto implementation dependent in V1; we'll fix it in V2.
15:26:35 <Norm> Norm: I'm happy with that.
15:27:52 <Norm> Norm mumbles on about what Calabash does
15:27:58 <Norm> s/Calabash/XML Calabash/
15:29:18 <jf_2013> I thnk your response was valid, there does seem to be some interesting corner cases with pitfalls lurking
15:29:27 <jf_2013> which may indicate deeper investigation
15:29:35 <Norm> Norm: I propose we take Henry's suggestion; document the bug, explain that it's probably too large a change to make as an erratum and assert that it's implementation dependent
15:29:46 <jf_2013> +1
15:29:49 <Norm> Accepted.
15:30:48 <jf_2013> +1 to using git/github
15:30:52 <Norm> Alex: How are we tracking these in V2?
15:31:11 <Norm> Norm: I just wrote it in a buffer. I'll work on figuring out how to track them; perhaps at github
15:31:16 <Norm> ACTION A-241-03: Norm to ask Liam about using github
15:31:29 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Jan/0011.html
15:31:36 <Norm> Norm: Bug 21001
15:32:51 <jf_2013> +1 looks good to me as well
15:32:55 <Norm> Alex: Looks good to me.
15:33:31 <Norm> Henry: Yep.
15:33:45 <Norm> ACTION A-241-04: Norm to construct an actual errata document with these two errata in it
15:33:56 <alexmilowski> BTW, document-uri() comes from the XDM from the document node ancestor if it exists.
15:34:11 <alexmilowski> So, by default it returns whatever that property contains.
15:36:46 <Norm> Topic: Progress on step libraries
15:37:01 <Norm> Jim reports no progress on zip and unzip
15:37:12 <Norm> Norm reports no progress on the file and system utility libraries
15:37:42 <Norm> Norm mutters a bit about his semantic web step experiments
15:40:19 <Norm> ACTION A-241-04 Alex to describe use cases for RDF support that require the ability to go back and forth from the triples to the documents.
15:40:50 <Norm> Jim: What part of our requirements does RDF come under?
15:41:11 <Norm> Norm: I don't think it's a requirement per se, but building step libraries is valuable.
15:41:53 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
15:41:58 <Norm> None heard
15:42:13 <Zakim> -Norm
15:42:15 <Zakim> -jf_2013
15:42:16 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
15:42:17 <Zakim> -ht
15:42:18 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:42:19 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
15:42:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, ht, Alex_Milows, [IPcaller], jf_2013
15:42:22 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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