12:10:00 RRSAgent has joined #csvw 12:10:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-csvw-irc 12:10:02 RRSAgent, make logs 348 12:10:02 Zakim has joined #csvw 12:10:04 Zakim, this will be CSVW 12:10:04 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:10:05 Meeting: CSV on the Web Working Group Teleconference 12:10:05 Date: 29 January 2014 12:10:18 rrsagent, make logs public 12:14:14 dceolin has joined #csvw 12:16:37 danbri has joined #csvw 12:17:07 hi ivan, dceolin, bots 12:17:22 hi 12:17:29 hi 12:20:21 I'm going to dial in via a Hangouts<->phone link. I have no reason to suspect it won't work, but mentioning just in case! 12:20:33 (fallbacks being skype and my mobile phone) 12:32:13 JeniT has joined #csvw 12:32:51 hallo 12:33:47 who's going to scribe today? 12:39:37 didn't Andy volunteer? 12:40:58 ah yes, I think he did 12:43:53 looking again at agenda (20mins for all intros vs 5 mins for me talking about 'CSV on the Web'), I'll try to be shorter than that 12:44:04 sure 12:44:18 it's worth doing a little scene-setting, but seems better use of time to hear from the wider group 12:44:24 agreed 12:49:43 gkellogg has joined #csvw 12:51:37 I may be very slightly delayed from joining through having to kick someone out of the room that I've booked at ODI to be on this call 12:52:39 AndyS has joined #csvw 12:54:16 rossjones has joined #csvw 12:54:16 EricStephan has joined #csvw 12:56:36 konstant has joined #csvw 12:57:43 jtandy has joined #csvw 12:58:16 zakim, code? 12:58:16 sorry, ivan, I don't know what conference this is 12:58:48 ivan - 2789 12:58:49 zakim, this will be 2789 12:58:49 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan 12:58:55 RRSAgent, make logs 348 12:58:57 Zakim, this will be CSVW 12:58:57 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:58:58 Meeting: CSV on the Web Working Group Teleconference 12:58:58 Date: 29 January 2014 12:59:08 zakim, room for 15? 12:59:09 ok, ivan; conference Team_(csvw)12:59Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1359Z 12:59:48 zakim, this is csvw 12:59:48 AndyS, I see Team_(csvw)12:59Z in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be csvw". 13:00:09 Team_(csvw)12:59Z has now started 13:00:16 +[IPcaller] 13:00:40 +[IPcaller] 13:00:41 juansequeda has joined #csvw 13:00:47 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:00:47 +AndyS; got it 13:00:50 i get that too "conference is restricted" ... will use 26631 13:01:01 +??P5 13:01:09 zakim: ??P5 is me 13:01:27 +ericstephan 13:01:33 +??P8 13:01:41 zakim: I am ??P5 13:02:01 +Annette 13:02:01 zakim, ??P5 is me 13:02:02 +gkellogg; got it 13:02:08 zakim, Annette is me 13:02:08 +ivan; got it 13:02:33 +??P4 13:02:51 + +575737aaaa 13:03:06 zakim, I am aaaa 13:03:06 +juansequeda; got it 13:03:43 + +44.203.239.aabb 13:03:44 +??P12 13:03:50 this passcode is not valid 13:03:54 then the conf is restricted at this time 13:04:05 btw, 2789 did not work. I used 26631. 13:04:13 oh 13:04:34 +??P11 13:04:43 +[IPcaller] 13:05:34 + +1.781.620.aacc 13:05:46 zakim, [IPcaller] is dceolin 13:05:46 +dceolin; got it 13:06:03 - +44.203.239.aabb 13:06:38 fresco has joined #csvw 13:06:44 + +44.203.239.aadd 13:06:54 rsingh2 has joined #csvw 13:06:55 adamretter has joined #csvw 13:07:29 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Kickoff_Meeting_Agenda 13:07:30 scribenick: AndyS 13:07:35 scribe: Andy Seaborne 13:07:40 chair: JeniT 13:07:52 topic: Introduction 13:08:09 jenit: today is introductions. 13:08:16 topic: intro to W3C 13:08:26 ivan: Staff contact for this WG 13:08:37 ... Ivan Herman 13:08:50 ... general helper with the running of the WG 13:09:13 ... W3C is divided into "domain", one is info and knowledge (headed by Ralph) 13:09:33 ... within that Data on teh Web - lead Phil Archer 13:09:47 ... this WG is under data on the web. 13:09:53 ... various WGs finished 13:10:05 ... also starting Best Practices for LD publishing 13:10:27 ... we are a member (= company) organisation 13:10:39 ... also Invited Experts 13:10:53 ... two chairs who do the nagging 13:11:04 ... process is consensus based 13:11:17 +GavinC 13:11:31 ... produce RECs ... process details later 13:11:50 ... ptr on the wiki https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Main_Page 13:12:04 gavinc has joined #csvw 13:12:49 Topic: Intro to "CSV on the web" 13:13:10 agreed 13:13:28 danbri: work at Google on schema.org 13:13:48 ... get data into the google knowledge graph 13:14:08 ... do contact chairs/team by email 13:14:17 ... core focus is tabular data 13:14:25 ... and now found, interpreted 13:14:43 ... "CSV" key for practically grounded work 13:14:48 ... rel to RDF 13:14:58 ... maybe as data model for metadata 13:15:18 ... and maybe as target as data conversion 13:15:38 ... use cases, running code drive WG 13:15:38 - +44.203.239.aadd 13:15:54 ... unbounded tasks - need to here for a finite time. 13:16:14 ... so address real work => use cases and scenarios as problems to solve 13:16:38 topic: introductions/group 13:16:44 zakim, who is here? 13:16:44 On the phone I see JeniT, AndyS, gkellogg, ericstephan, jtandy, ivan, rossjones, juansequeda, ??P12, danbri, dceolin, +1.781.620.aacc, GavinC 13:16:46 On IRC I see gavinc, adamretter, rsingh2, fresco, juansequeda, jtandy, konstant, EricStephan, rossjones, AndyS, gkellogg, JeniT, danbri, dceolin, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot 13:17:13 the pass code is not working for Zakim now 13:17:23 zakim, code? 13:17:24 the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan 13:17:28 sorry I had to reconnect, I am on the worst Gov Wifi you can imagine 13:17:36 JeniT : Open Data Institute / London 13:17:48 -dceolin 13:17:56 ... publishing data openly 13:18:13 ... web current poor for publishing tabular data 13:18:38 + +44.203.239.aaee 13:18:53 okay I got back in 13:18:54 +[IPcaller] 13:18:58 AndyS: Apache Software Foundation / Bristol 13:19:06 Zakim: +44.203 is me 13:19:13 One unidentified person is me (Stasinos Konstantopoulos) 13:19:24 Zakim: +44.203.239.aaee is me 13:19:28 ... I've been involved in Apache Jena for a few years, it's an RDF library. 13:19:29 zakim, aaee is adamretter 13:19:29 sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee' 13:19:39 Having trouble connecting to the bridge 13:19:49 http://jena.apache.org/ http://www.epimorphics.com/web/ 13:19:53 ... converting CSV files into RDF and building applications on top of them 13:20:05 gregg: In California, may not make many calls 13:20:23 gkellogg++ for calling in at 5am 13:20:24 ... editor of JSON-LD spec 13:20:39 ... simialrity toJSOLD 13:20:51 http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-json-ld-20140116/ 13:20:54 ... RDF in Ruby open source toolkit author 13:20:55 s/toJSOLD/to JSON-LD/ 13:21:08 dceolin has joined #csvw 13:21:12 ... I believe in linked data and open publishing 13:21:13 https://github.com/ruby-rdf 13:21:24 ... tools to help with data publishing 13:21:27 structured data linter: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Jan/0021.html 13:21:41 ... worked on microdata in RDF 13:21:45 microdata as rdf: http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata-rdf/ 13:22:05 Linter at http://linter.structured-data.org 13:22:12 ericStephan: work for Pacific Northwest labs 13:22:17 ... scientific data 13:22:34 +[IPcaller.a] 13:22:35 ... bring about tech to be user friendly and collaborative friendly 13:22:50 ... current in wind and climate data areaa 13:22:52 zakim, +[IPcaller.a] is dceolin 13:22:52 sorry, dceolin, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.a]' 13:23:03 ... here to help make rel to science 13:23:13 ... in Data on the Web BP WG 13:23:21 http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html 13:23:25 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page 13:23:30 zakim, [IPcaller] is fresco 13:23:30 +fresco; got it 13:23:32 Wooh Exeter! 13:23:39 jtandy: Exeter UK - Met Office UK 13:23:43 "The conference is full" 13:23:45 Sorry guys 13:23:58 ... chair of expert groups in World ?? 13:24:10 ... worked on discovery of metadata 13:24:19 ... geospatial and earth sciences 13:24:34 ... UK gov LD group - publishing reference data 13:24:43 rsingh2 has joined #csvw 13:24:48 No problem, I'll just follow the IRC for today 13:24:49 ... CSV de facto - time series data 13:25:14 ... interested in publishing with machine readable semantics -> easier to consume the data 13:25:27 ... used as compact RDF to join with other data 13:25:45 ... multidimensions-> multiple CSVs -> RDF data cube 13:26:08 rossjones: chester UK / independent dev 13:26:16 ... data.gov.uk 13:26:24 http://datahub.io/ 13:26:25 ... core CKAN committer 13:26:39 ... here because of data quality and improving it 13:26:41 https://github.com/ckan/ckan 13:27:16 http://www.juansequeda.com/ 13:27:19 juan: Austin Tx. Phd and confounder of capcenter(?) 13:27:32 ... ultrawrap -- R2RML 13:27:32 http://ribs.csres.utexas.edu/ultrawrap/ 13:27:43 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb-direct-mapping/ 13:27:43 ... editor of one RDB2RDF specs 13:28:07 ... here for CSV to RDF - standard mapping 13:28:14 http://challenge.semanticweb.org/2013/submissions/swc2013_submission_12.pdf 13:28:40 gavinc: LexMachina 13:28:54 ... another CA coast person 13:29:14 ... gov data sources to provide analytics for IP and patent litagation 13:29:18 https://lexmachina.com/ 13:29:25 ... CSV -> RDF -> CSV 13:29:35 also seen in http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ 13:29:44 AndyS: Jena http://jena.apache.org/ 13:30:13 adam: London UK The National Archives UK 13:30:55 adam: TNA developed a schema for CSV validation 13:30:57 ... interested CSV in processable forms ... CSV validation 13:31:20 Sorry. The Wifi here is the worst! 13:31:29 I can here you guys, but it's not great 13:31:33 fresco: Alf Easton (sp?) 13:31:46 s/Easton/Eaton/ 13:31:46 ... open access on journal 13:31:55 Alf Eaton, see also https://peerj.com/about/ 13:32:02 ... research data sets and scripts etc on the web 13:32:18 ... distribute, recreate results, to update data. 13:32:35 ... dynamic output eg HTML from the data 13:32:55 dceolin: Italian 13:33:04 http://www.few.vu.nl/~dceolin/ 13:33:06 ... U of Amsterdam 13:33:20 ... tools for spreadsheets 13:33:36 ... converting to RDF and other formats 13:33:47 ... open gov data 13:34:28 jenit: who has not spoken? 13:34:46 rod?: Staff of OGC 13:34:48 http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/rsingh 13:34:55 ... geographic data community 13:34:58 s/rod?/Raj Singh/ 13:35:10 adamretter has joined #csvw 13:35:27 zakim, aacc is rsingh2 13:35:27 +rsingh2; got it 13:35:28 ... just N of Boston US 13:35:55 : XBRL - business reporting 13:36:06 ... bring to world of web 13:36:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBRL 13:36:24 s/ : XBRL/Eric Cohen: XBRL/ 13:36:25 topic: process 13:36:57 danbri: shared doc creation instead of IRC scribing 13:37:02 ... ?? 13:37:12 ... roundtable 13:37:21 +1 Googledocs 13:37:38 anyone object to using Googledocs? 13:37:48 no objection from me 13:37:52 +1 Googledocs 13:37:57 ... scribe gets to pick tech 13:37:59 q+ 13:38:05 +1 Googledocs 13:38:10 ... volunteer for next week? 13:38:12 ack ivan 13:38:38 ivan: but then no IRC? Loose other tools e.g. zakim control 13:38:46 .. confusing? 13:39:17 ... googledocs means multi auths for multiple places (google, W3C, github) 13:39:31 q+ 13:39:45 ack me 13:39:45 ack andys 13:40:40 andys: linking of minutes to agendas etc 13:40:56 danbri: IRC remains 13:41:12 andys: experiences? 13:41:16 ivan: some 13:41:27 +q 13:41:45 ack EricStephan 13:42:14 EricStephan: good for side discussions. No timeline in gdocs. 13:42:54 (and record of whose here in auto minutes?) 13:43:06 jenit: use gdocs and works well at ODI 13:43:25 perhaps doc-centric collab works best for things like google docs, piratepad; but generally minuting here? 13:43:28 ... IRC anyway ... so maybe tend to use IRC. 13:43:43 danbri: scribe next week? 13:43:49 next week's scribe; eric stephan 13:44:34 ... thanks to ericstephen 13:44:52 ... wiki - but don't chnage agenda without letting the chairs know 13:45:06 ... github for docs - need github id to Ivan 13:45:19 topic: real work stuff 13:45:24 ivan: my github id is adamretter - but perhaps we should be sending pull-requests? 13:45:33 sorry youre breaking up[ 13:46:05 -JeniT 13:46:35 danbri: get a sense of what's out there 13:46:38 +[IPcaller] 13:46:46 ... then use to drive the WG work 13:47:00 /me zakim, [IPcaller] is me 13:47:06 nope still cant hear Jeni 13:47:23 im looking forward to the impersonations! 13:47:36 jeniT: use case and requirements 13:47:50 ... tools to be built - root in real things and real needs 13:47:54 [audio clear now] 13:47:58 yes 13:48:15 ... use cases for what people want to do with data on the web 13:48:30 ... e.g. produce in Excel, load into R, validate, ... 13:48:36 ... make as specific as possible 13:49:07 ... narrative use case // example datasets // existing tools // existing proposals 13:49:13 ... from good to bad "CSV" 13:49:30 ... survey tools and limitations/assumptions they have 13:49:40 ... so what breaks if we do XYZ 13:50:02 ... collect info on existing work for adding info to CSVs - some in charter already 13:50:23 https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Main_Page 13:50:48 ... links to 4 areas 13:50:54 ... share on wiki 13:51:11 q+ to suggest wiki also good for project-oriented pages 13:51:17 ... inc put docs into github 13:51:23 ack danbri 13:51:23 danbri, you wanted to suggest wiki also good for project-oriented pages 13:51:29 I dont think I have permission to edit Wiki pages, should I be able to? 13:51:52 JeniT: yes i did 13:51:53 q+ 13:52:06 danbri: suggest ideal are real world situation, real data we can sample, tooling pref open source, add pages to wiki as needed 13:52:13 ... messy can be cleaned 13:52:14 JeniT: face-palm - sorry i see it now 13:52:17 my "position paper" http://www.ogcnetwork.net/webgeoformats 13:52:18 zakim, who is noisy? 13:52:30 ivan, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (27%), ivan (28%), jtandy (15%), danbri (14%) 13:52:34 ack ivan 13:52:47 ivan: on tools 13:52:56 JeniT: actually no I don't - I would like to edit the Tools page - but there is no Edit link? 13:53:02 q+ 13:53:05 ... what granularity? 13:53:14 I've been bookmarking under 'csv' here, https://pinboard.in/u:danbri/t:csv 13:53:35 jenit: any tools used with CSV - can be user facing, can be libraries or cmd line 13:53:51 ack jtandy 13:54:00 q? 13:54:50 jtandy: much use of CSV - now adding semantics sensor network - lack of tooling 13:55:02 ... can fill in some areas now 13:55:22 jenit: please add what you have - esp use cases and concrete 13:55:31 ... reference to data is good 13:56:09 jtandy: have linked CVS proposal comments for requirements 13:56:13 q- 13:56:45 q+ 13:56:52 jenit: pls everyone do 1+ use case 13:57:15 ivan: pls send email on new UC 13:57:27 q+ 13:57:30 Ivan can you direct me to a scribe tutorial/background? 13:57:40 q+ email list use 13:57:52 q+ to ask about email list use 13:57:57 ack 13:58:00 ack me 13:58:05 q- 13:58:16 ack me 13:58:16 AndyS, you wanted to ask about email list use 13:58:41 jenit: email for tech discussions - public archives - good for timezone issues 13:59:19 jtandy: F2F1? 13:59:57 jenit: will talk to danbri and come up with suggestions 14:00:31 -jtandy 14:00:32 -??P12 14:00:32 -danbri 14:00:34 -rossjones 14:00:34 Good to meet everyone 14:00:34 -Jeni 14:00:35 -AndyS 14:00:35 -GavinC 14:00:36 -gkellogg 14:00:37 -adamretter 14:00:38 -ericstephan 14:00:38 -ivan 14:00:40 -fresco 14:00:40 -juansequeda 14:00:42 -dceolin 14:00:49 rossjones has left #csvw 14:00:50 thanks all! 14:00:54 zakim, who is here? 14:00:54 On the phone I see rsingh2 14:00:55 On IRC I see dceolin, gavinc, fresco, juansequeda, jtandy, konstant, AndyS, gkellogg, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot 14:01:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:01:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-csvw-minutes.html ivan 14:01:18 zakim, who is here? 14:01:19 On the phone I see rsingh2 14:01:19 On IRC I see dceolin, gavinc, fresco, juansequeda, jtandy, konstant, gkellogg, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot 14:01:30 zakim, drop rsingh2 14:01:30 rsingh2 is being disconnected 14:01:32 Team_(csvw)12:59Z has ended 14:01:32 Attendees were JeniT, AndyS, ericstephan, jtandy, gkellogg, ivan, +575737aaaa, rossjones, juansequeda, +44.203.239.aabb, danbri, +1.781.620.aacc, dceolin, +44.203.239.aadd, GavinC, 14:01:32 ... +44.203.239.aaee, adamretter, fresco, rsingh2, Jeni 14:01:35 zakim, who is here? 14:01:35 apparently Team_(csvw)12:59Z has ended, ivan 14:01:36 On IRC I see dceolin, gavinc, fresco, juansequeda, konstant, gkellogg, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot 14:01:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:01:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-csvw-minutes.html ivan 14:04:25 trackbot, stop telcon 14:04:25 Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to for help. 14:04:34 trackbot, end telcon 14:04:34 Zakim, list attendees 14:04:34 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:04:42 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:04:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-csvw-minutes.html trackbot 14:04:43 RRSAgent, bye 14:04:43 I see no action items