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15:57:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:57:24 <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2014
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15:59:13 <mgylling> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0033.html
15:59:26 <liza> Yes
15:59:44 <karen> zakim, code?
15:59:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), karen
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16:01:23 <mgylling> zakim, who is here
16:01:23 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
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16:01:41 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
16:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylling, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, Karen_Myers
16:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, azaroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss,
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16:02:01 <tmichel> wHO IS 1.646.336.aabb ,
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16:03:29 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
16:03:47 <karen> Markus: Let's get going
16:03:48 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
16:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylling, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb, LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, gcapiel, JeanKaplansky, dshkolnik, Marilyn, Karen_Myers, fjh
16:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see marilyn, Bill_Kasdorf, dshkolnik, gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, azaroth, LFowler, lizadaly, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel,
16:03:51 <Zakim> ... mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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16:03:57 <karen> Julie: I'm at a 646 number
16:04:03 <mgylling> Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris
16:04:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris', mgylling
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16:04:29 <karen> Markus: Thierry, if you can assign that to Julie
16:04:32 <karen> ...Welcome everyone
16:04:41 <mgylling> regrets: Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Alan Stearns, Liam Quin, Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Tom De Nies
16:04:41 <tmichel> Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris
16:04:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris', tmichel
16:04:41 <karen> ...We have Karen scribing today
16:04:44 <karen> Scribe: Karen
16:04:50 <karen> ...and registering regrets
16:04:54 <karen> ...Short agenda for today
16:05:03 <karen> ...As you know, we are running these focused themes with the task forces
16:05:05 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
16:05:16 <karen> ...We don't have a new task force today because we have an urgent matter to cover annotations
16:05:26 <karen> ...But on this call we'll decide what task force to review next week
16:05:34 <karen> ...We have one person who has not yet made it to our calls
16:05:40 <karen> ...Rich, can you say a few words?
16:05:47 <karen> Rich: I am CTO for IBM software
16:05:52 <Bill_Kasdorf> has Julie from BISG been introduced?
16:05:52 <karen> ...and chair the ARIA standards effort
16:06:01 <tmichel> topic: Approval of previous meeting minutes
16:06:14 <karen> Markus: Last week's minutes are published
16:06:19 <karen> ...any objections to accepting them?
16:06:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/CTO/CTO for Accessibility/
16:06:33 <tmichel> topic: Annotations TF: planning for publishing requirements as Note
16:06:51 <karen> Markus: there is work underway to propose the formation of a working track working group
16:07:01 <karen> ...of the open annotations community group
16:07:15 <karen> ...we are thinking to fast track the requirements so they can be used and referenced by the WG
16:07:26 <karen> ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
16:07:35 <karen> Rob: in order to ensure all the requirements in the IG are met
16:07:39 <karen> ...and the WG process
16:07:58 <karen> ...would be great to have the usec cases if not entirely finished, at least be a lot more formalized than they are now
16:08:05 <karen> Markus: To do this, the first thing to keep in mind
16:08:13 <karen> ...is that this is the process all the task forces will go through
16:08:23 <azaroth> s/in the IG/of the IG/
16:08:25 <karen> ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of the Task Force work
16:08:29 <azaroth> s/and the WG/in the WG/
16:08:36 <karen> ...we expect taht they will formalize in Note documents
16:08:49 <karen> ...It looks like annotations task force will take the next steps in this sequence first
16:08:57 <karen> ...but we want to clarify with the sequence first
16:09:03 <karen> ...And hope Karen can help us
16:09:17 <karen> ...basically I think there is the following steps
16:09:21 <karen> ...let me throw them out here
16:09:34 <karen> ...First is that we as an IG go over the wiki and fill in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
16:09:46 <karen> ...Second step is that the task force produces a first version of the Note document
16:09:51 <karen> ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
16:10:03 <karen> ...and likely use Respect and JS to produce a Note
16:10:13 <karen> ...at that point, it is the IG's first public draft
16:10:26 <karen> ...and we accept comments both internally with W3C and on the mailing list within a period of time
16:10:31 <karen> ...let's say it's one month
16:10:43 <azaroth> s/Respect and JS/ReSpec JS/
16:10:43 <karen> ...And once the comment period is done and edits are done, we are ready to publish the Note
16:10:49 <karen> ...i don't think it's much more complex than that
16:10:55 <azaroth> \me http://www.w3.org/respec/
16:11:02 <karen> ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
16:11:44 <karen> Karen: we can review process document...just the time frame may need checking
16:12:01 <karen> Markus: We need to be done...
16:12:06 <karen> ...does this sound feasible?
16:12:09 <karen> Rob: yes, that sounds good
16:12:21 <karen> ...in terms of timing, we need to have something charterwise that can be discussed by 1 April
16:12:27 <karen> ...meaning that the Note should be in a good state
16:12:30 <karen> ...according to the IG
16:12:40 <karen> ...about one month or three weeks before the annotations
16:12:46 <karen> ...would go three weeks to write the note
16:12:55 <karen> Markus: are you ok with producing a version of the Note now
16:12:58 <karen> ...in a week or so?
16:13:06 <karen> Rob: I can try for within a week
16:13:20 <karen> Markus: we spend time today looking at the wiki about we have and don't
16:13:28 <karen> ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look at it further
16:13:35 <Suzanne> q+
16:13:40 <karen> ...and then following week produce first draft version of the Note
16:13:45 <karen> Rob: my only concern with that
16:14:00 <karen> ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases that don't get agreed upon in the IG
16:14:08 <karen> ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is easy
16:14:13 <tmichel>  first draft version of the Note I guess is an editor's document ?
16:14:20 <karen> ...but if it's tracking down more references, that could be complicated
16:14:34 <karen> Markus: if everything goes well by next Monday, we should have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
16:14:41 <karen> ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
16:14:49 <karen> Rob: if we can do it in that timeframe, that would be fantastic
16:15:00 <karen> Markus: yes, it might take longer, but we have been through it before
16:15:10 <karen> ...I would be surprised to see a storm of complaints
16:15:21 <karen> Thierry: the first document we will produce is a first draft Editor's document
16:15:29 <karen> ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C Note
16:15:41 <karen> ...and sooner or later we can republish that Note when we want to add changes there
16:15:44 <karen> Markus: right
16:15:50 <karen> ack Suszanne
16:15:54 <karen> s/Suzanne
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16:16:04 <karen> Suzanne: there are accessibility implications for annotations
16:16:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting
16:16:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:16:29 <karen> ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in accessibility task force had time to look over the annotations carefully
16:16:38 <karen> ...with view about making annotations themselves accessible
16:16:47 <karen> ...We are at a conference this week and would need more days next week
16:16:50 <azaroth> q+
16:16:52 <karen> Markus: yes, maybe we should...
16:17:00 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
16:17:00 <karen> ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
16:17:09 <karen> ...you jumped straight into what we have now
16:17:17 <karen> ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last use case
16:17:27 <gcapiel> I agree.  Thanks Suzzane
16:17:34 <karen> ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use bearing
16:17:40 <karen> ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
16:17:44 <karen> ...on a scale from one to 100
16:17:48 <karen> Rob: 95
16:17:57 <karen> ...it pretty much covers what the CG has discussed
16:18:06 <karen> ...one or two things which are part of the current specification
16:18:15 <karen> ...that there were use cases for but they were very specific
16:18:22 <karen> ...cannot think of anything that made them useful in publishing domain
16:18:29 <karen> ...A few things not in CG such as packages use cases
16:18:42 <karen> ...and recording the state of user manipulated resources is not covered
16:18:47 <karen> ...that is far too complicated to come out
16:19:01 <karen> Markus: yes, I see a bunch that comes from discussions we have had here and within the EPUB WG
16:19:08 <karen> ...the packaging of annotations as well as under other
16:19:09 <Zakim> -lizadaly
16:19:15 <lizadaly> argh
16:19:20 <karen> ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB work
16:19:24 <karen> Rob: huge jump slightly
16:19:40 <mgylling> q?
16:19:42 <Zakim> +lizadaly
16:19:43 <karen> ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of annotations is an accessibility use case, an annotations use case, or both
16:19:52 <karen> Suzanne: I worry...most important thing
16:19:58 <karen> ...is that actual interface be accessible
16:20:08 <karen> ...if we keep it only in accessibility it will be in a second releasea
16:20:20 <karen> ...I would like to see it in the annotations work if possible
16:20:24 <karen> Gerardo: I totally agree
16:20:44 <karen> ...accessibility was not thought through in first pass with [example Hypothes.is]
16:20:49 <karen> ...description, post production
16:21:13 <karen> Markus: we got that you agree with Suzanne
16:21:22 <karen> ...So is that an easy item for you to carry in here, Rob?
16:21:40 <karen> Rob: I am not at all versed in accessibility concerns, but happy to work with people who are
16:21:47 <karen> ...I could not draft a first version of that requirement
16:21:49 <karen> Markus: right
16:22:00 <karen> ...if we look at your collection right now, it is not talking about interface properties
16:22:07 <karen> ...talking about the data itself, not the interface
16:22:15 <karen> Rob: one does touch on interface
16:22:20 <gcapiel> Sorry, on train.  I was just saying that annotations are very applicable for post-production image description and description of other visual elements.  Also, it seems that accessibility has been an afterthought with existing solutions.
16:22:23 <karen> ...maintaining interface style
16:22:29 <karen> ...draw in white vs black
16:22:42 <karen> ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover up useful text
16:22:56 <karen> ...those are related to the user experience, if not related to the user interface
16:23:10 <karen> Suzanne: I would suggest that the accessibility task force read through and add small comments
16:23:24 <karen> ...and then we add one additional use case which describes the recommended functionality
16:23:28 <karen> ...or requirements
16:23:41 <karen> ...we have an initial draft and could vet that and move over to annotations area
16:23:54 <karen> Markus: in terms of the accessibility task force review, what date can we set for you?
16:24:05 <karen> ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday, or is that overly optimistic?
16:24:11 <karen> Gerardo: I can work on the plane
16:24:24 <karen> Rich: I would like to look at it, but have people in Austin this week
16:24:33 <karen> ...so could not get to it until the weekend or early next week
16:24:42 <karen> Suzanne: I would have trouble getting to it by the 3rd; maybe the 5th
16:24:47 <karen> Markus: ok, that sounds good
16:25:05 <karen> Action: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibility review by 4 February
16:25:05 <trackbot> Error finding 'Suzanne,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:25:17 <karen> ack Bill
16:25:28 <gcapiel> There's some discussion of this topic during an Accessibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who has been involved in the annotations work http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-accessible-sprint.html?m=1
16:25:28 <karen> Bill: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
16:25:39 <karen> ...there are also metadata implications for the annotations spec
16:25:48 <karen> ...but our situation is the opposite of accessibility
16:25:58 <karen> ...metadata should take into account the finished state
16:26:02 <karen> ...rather than delay things
16:26:13 <karen> ...metadata responds to use cases for implications
16:26:24 <karen> Rob: What do people think about scope of metadata?
16:26:34 <karen> Bill: you are involved intimately in both
16:26:51 <karen> Rob: Should metadata task force discuss annotations for metadata as well as publications, or both?
16:27:03 <karen> Markus: Bill?
16:27:09 <karen> Bill: waiting for others to respond
16:27:15 <karen> ...I think there will be blurred lines there
16:27:24 <karen> ...publications...whether regarding annotations or basic publication
16:27:34 <karen> ...we can responsibly address them after the annotation issues are clarified
16:27:46 <karen> ...we would not be driving annotations use cases, but some use cases could arise
16:27:51 <karen> Markus: ok, good
16:27:55 <lizadaly> q?
16:28:02 <azaroth> ack azaroth
16:28:17 <karen> Markus: in terms of timing
16:28:28 <karen> ....by 5th the accessibility review is completed
16:28:35 <karen> ...so we can target February 10
16:28:48 <karen> ...which would be our first opportunity for IG blessing to have first draft for review
16:28:55 <karen> ...and review is not only for accessibility folks
16:29:05 <karen> ...please feel free to provide your input in the next week
16:29:07 <Zakim> -fjh
16:29:16 <karen> ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on when we read through this?
16:29:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:29:26 <karen> ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you have been thinkign about?
16:29:29 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
16:29:29 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
16:29:31 <karen> Rob: I don't think so
16:29:43 <karen> ...the later use cases are weaker than the earlier ones just due to use case fatigue
16:29:49 <karen> ...any comments and suggestions are very welcome
16:29:56 <karen> Markus: the queue is empty
16:30:11 <karen> ...if there are not more comments on annotations, we are ready to move onto the next agenda item
16:30:23 <karen> ...I'm glad we have Gerardo and Suzanne here
16:30:30 <karen> ...as the next item relates to accessibility
16:30:34 <karen> ...and we have Rich here as well
16:30:39 <karen> ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
16:31:02 <karen> Rich: one of things we agreed to do is to create some modules off of ARIA to apply additional semantics to assistive technologies through browsers
16:31:09 <karen> ...make structural semantics available through ARIA
16:31:19 <karen> ...we would need to have some people from this IG part of that effort
16:31:32 <karen> ...and coordinate with main WG and collaborate
16:31:37 <karen> ...We would start with structural semantics
16:31:45 <karen> ...we don't want to slow down the work others are doing
16:31:56 <karen> ...Would be great if someone could volunteer to do the editing
16:32:00 <karen> ...does that summarzie?
16:32:06 <karen> Markus: yes; what timeline?
16:32:20 <karen> Rich: Depends how fast we move and get things implemented
16:32:27 <karen> ...you have done most of work, you have defined semantics
16:32:33 <karen> ...main thing is to get out to browsers
16:32:41 <karen> ...biggest thing is getting to CR
16:32:46 <karen> ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next eyar
16:33:00 <karen> ...I don't know if we can do it in that time frame, but I'm willing to work with people to get that to happen
16:33:08 <karen> ...I work with many assistive technology vendors
16:33:17 <karen> Gerardo: Some of this also came out
16:33:21 <karen> ...from @
16:33:29 <karen> ...when we had discussion with SVG WG
16:33:33 <karen> ...graphs in SVG
16:33:39 <karen> ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
16:33:45 <karen> ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it
16:33:52 <karen> ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
16:34:04 <karen> Rich: We also agreed to form a module for graphics
16:34:09 <karen> ...as long as that's not an issue
16:34:12 <karen> Gerardo: perfect
16:34:21 <karen> Markus: We have @ from ETS
16:34:27 <karen> ...is that possible for 1.1?
16:34:31 <karen> @: we are full up
16:34:41 <karen> ...I would have to take that back to the working group
16:34:46 <karen> ...were you thinking TI?
16:34:58 <karen> Markus: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been thinking
16:35:04 <karen> Laura: Mark has been working with you
16:35:10 <karen> ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
16:35:15 <karen> Markus: right
16:35:25 <karen> Laura: I don't know how far he has gotten with that
16:35:26 <gcapiel> To add to minutes, I'm referring to using ARIA roles to aid SVG sonification
16:35:29 <karen> ...or how ready he would be
16:35:44 <karen> Markus: we hope to clarify parts of that at EDUPUB2
16:35:51 <karen> ...if I understand there are two modules agreed
16:36:02 <karen> ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks semantics
16:36:10 <karen> ...your call for participation and editor is for both?
16:36:13 <karen> ...or epub ones?
16:36:27 <karen> Rich: I want to meet with Doug and Gerardo at EDUPUB 2
16:36:35 <karen> ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
16:36:48 <karen> Markus: If anyone wants to sign up for this module, make yourself heard
16:36:58 <Suzanne> I will volunteer to participate
16:37:00 <karen> ...I plan to join but would love to have more people showing up
16:37:15 <karen> ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last week?
16:37:28 <karen> Rich: we're looking at test cases and the 2.0 timeline as well
16:37:34 <karen> Markus: seeing that we have a little extra time
16:37:50 <karen> ...One of things that's going on, is that IDPF and epub is looking for a more native solution to express structural semantics
16:37:59 <karen> ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type attributes
16:38:17 <karen> ...we are exploring options to move away from that, not name-space based, but something more native based to browser stack
16:38:20 <karen> ...a couple solutions
16:38:26 <karen> ..have been suggestions
16:38:34 <karen> ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
16:38:47 <karen> [@@]
16:39:02 <karen> ...another option is to make the rule attributes less @ centric and more generic
16:39:05 <karen> ...Is that right Rich?
16:39:19 <karen> Rich: yes, as long as it does not break accessibility
16:39:28 <karen> ...services...then I don't see an issue
16:39:36 <karen> Markus: this means there are two avenues to look into
16:39:42 <karen> ...this IG is only partially involved here
16:39:48 <karen> ...serving as a bridge to these discussions
16:40:00 <karen> ...but sounds more like a discussion that needs to happen with HTML5 folks and the TF
16:40:08 <karen> ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
16:40:12 <karen> ...great
16:40:22 <karen> ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call for participation
16:40:32 <karen> ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign up for next week's call
16:40:36 <karen> ...with a week to think about this
16:40:42 <karen> Rich: that's perfect [timeline]
16:40:59 <karen> Markus: final agenda item is the focus task force for next meeting
16:41:02 <karen> ...I wrote to two of them
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16:41:12 <karen> ...I see some in a pretty early state
16:41:15 <karen> ...such as metadata
16:41:23 <karen> ...Bill, Brady, what do you think?
16:41:36 <karen> Bill: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata if group wants to do that
16:41:45 <karen> ...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi would be as well
16:41:57 <karen> ...It did just get started up
16:42:11 <karen> ...if we devote next week's meeting, we should avoid getting into specifics, and focus on scope
16:42:22 <karen> ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the metadata discussions
16:42:28 <karen> ...what became immediately clear on wiki discussions
16:42:36 <karen> ...is the importance of emphasizing the what rather than the how
16:42:41 <karen> ...the mechanisms and solutions
16:42:50 <karen> ...lots of details about metadata vocabularies
16:42:55 <karen> Brady: on the pagination side
16:43:02 <karen> ...I don't remember agreeing to head this group
16:43:09 <karen> ...I may have been nominated for it
16:43:18 <karen> ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral adaptations
16:43:29 <karen> ...but don't recall heading that group
16:43:31 <karen> Markus: that is right
16:43:39 <karen> ...you took action to add DOM pagination
16:43:42 <Zakim> -duga
16:43:47 <karen> ...I am to blame for elevating you to task force lead
16:43:49 <brady_duga> Sorry, deadzone
16:43:52 <brady_duga> I dropped
16:43:54 <karen> ...this is an important area
16:44:07 <karen> ...even if we change the task force lead to someone else, we still need to get going
16:44:16 <karen> Bill: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
16:44:24 <karen> ...we have a framework for discussion on the wiki
16:44:26 <Zakim> +duga
16:44:38 <karen> ...but if next week is better used for @ I am happy to defer
16:44:51 <karen> Markus: I think we are good to go with metadata next week
16:44:59 <karen> ...and Brady and I can sort things out on pagination
16:45:07 <karen> Brady: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
16:45:20 <karen> ...will be a strength to that section and I'll participate in that group
16:45:23 <karen> ...On a side note
16:45:33 <karen> ...adding something to wiki, we don't have reading system authors there
16:45:46 <karen> Markus: that is still open-ended
16:45:56 <karen> ...if you find yourself in corner, feel free to add it
16:46:04 <karen> Brady: just add it and it appears?
16:46:05 <karen> Markus: yes
16:46:12 <karen> ...I think we are settled and done for the day?
16:46:16 <karen> ...Any other business?
16:46:21 <karen> ...super
16:46:30 <karen> ...please recall your review of the annotations collections warmly welcome
16:46:45 <karen> ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a dedicated review from an accessibility perspective
16:46:57 <karen> Rich: Are there any other aspects of annotation being included?
16:47:02 <karen> ...I saw a mark
16:47:04 <Zakim> -duga
16:47:11 <karen> ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
16:47:19 <karen> Markus: Maybe you are not aware of the open annotation CG
16:47:23 <karen> ...you mentioned at the PF call
16:47:29 <azaroth> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
16:47:31 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
16:47:34 <karen> Markus: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair of that
16:47:40 <Zakim> -fjh
16:47:45 <karen> ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a rec track version of open annotations
16:47:52 <karen> ...and epub also working on integrating
16:47:58 <karen> ...you may want to read in on that
16:48:07 <karen> ...good opportunity for an inverted long desk
16:48:21 <karen> Rob: if there is anything I can do to help, shoot me an email; happy to do what I can
16:48:24 <karen> Rich: ok
16:48:28 <karen> Markus: any other questions?
16:48:34 <karen> ...thank you for today
16:48:38 <karen> ...thank you, Karen for scribing
16:48:39 <Zakim> -gcapiel
16:48:40 <Zakim> -lizadaly
16:48:40 <Zakim> -mgylling
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16:48:42 <Zakim> -dshkolnik
16:48:42 <Zakim> -Vlad
16:48:42 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
16:48:43 <karen> ...meeting adjourned
16:48:44 <Zakim> -azaroth
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16:48:46 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
16:48:47 <karen> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:48:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-dpub-minutes.html karen
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