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16:59:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:59:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
16:59:57 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:59:57 <trackbot> Date: 23 January 2014
17:00:19 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0005.html
17:00:46 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
17:00:46 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
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17:01:05 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
17:01:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:01:30 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
17:01:30 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
17:01:44 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:01:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/23-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
17:01:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:02:02 <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
17:02:02 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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17:03:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
17:03:27 <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
17:03:27 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
17:03:30 <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin
17:03:30 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Daniel_Austin
17:03:31 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
17:03:31 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
17:04:06 <Zakim> +Plh
17:04:41 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0005.html
17:06:01 <paulc> scribenick: jaymunro
17:06:09 <paulc> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, January 23
17:06:11 <paulc> ACTI
17:06:11 <paulc> O
17:06:19 <jaymunro> topic: ACTION-234: Resolve bug 21579 and will provide spec text
17:06:19 <jaymunro>     https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579 [Steve Faulkner]
17:06:19 <jaymunro>     http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/234
17:06:25 <Zakim> +??P17
17:06:32 <jaymunro> ACTION-235: Resolve 19728
17:06:32 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-235 Resolve 19728 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728.
17:06:32 <jaymunro>     https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 [Edward O'Connor]
17:06:32 <jaymunro>     http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
17:06:33 <paulc> ACTION-234?
17:06:33 <trackbot> ACTION-234 -- Steve Faulkner to Resolve bug 21579 and will provide spec text https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579 -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN
17:06:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/234
17:06:40 <paulc> ACTION-235?
17:06:40 <trackbot> ACTION-235 -- Edward O'Connor to Resolve 19728 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN
17:06:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
17:06:48 <jaymunro> topic: ACTION-235: Resolve 19728
17:06:49 <jaymunro>     https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 [Edward O'Connor]
17:06:49 <jaymunro>     http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
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17:07:02 <Zakim> +Sam
17:07:17 <jaymunro> these were sent out in dec, and we're down to about 6-7 CR bugs
17:07:41 <jaymunro> Steve's been busy with other accessibility work. We'll keep them open with their existing due dates
17:07:45 <jaymunro> topics: Canvas 2D revised Candidate Recommendation or Last Call
17:07:45 <jaymunro> Status: All outstanding CR bugs have been resolved.  Awaiting candidate Canvas Last Call and Canvas L2 heartbeat documents.
17:07:45 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jan/0055.html
17:08:16 <jaymunro> only sub item is how we're going to deal with Canvas. A11y sub task group has now resolved all the CR bugs related to focus ring
17:08:51 <jaymunro> by next week will confirm by next week the edits are ok. The editors will make the docements ready for LC.
17:10:02 <jaymunro> Paul: not worried about canvas specs will keep up with other specs. Canvas will follow a week or so later
17:10:13 <jaymunro> topic: 2nd last call a) CfC: to publish a Last Call “Polyglot Markup” Working Draft  - closes Tue Jan 28
17:10:14 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0035.html
17:10:40 <jaymunro> this is the 2nd last call, minimum of 3 weeks with the discussion of whether it's normative or not.
17:10:49 <jaymunro> topic :b) CfC: to publish “HTML 5.0" and "HTML 5.1" heartbeat Working Drafts – closes Tue Jan 28
17:10:49 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0035.html
17:11:06 <jaymunro> Paul: not much to say about them, other then keeping them up to date
17:11:16 <jaymunro> topic: c) CfC: to maintain “Image Description Extension (longdesc)” Working Draft on the Recommendation track – closes Tue Jan 28
17:11:16 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0037.html
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17:11:54 <jaymunro> this comes to us from the a11y task force, rather than loading the image description into the spec, it's in last call. group thinks it will go directly to proposed recomendation without a CR period.
17:12:05 <jaymunro> remind people CR is optional.
17:12:14 <jaymunro> topic: d) CfC: to publish "HTML Ruby Markup Extensions" as a WG Note – closes Tue Jan 28
17:12:14 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0041.html
17:12:36 <jaymunro> this has been folded back into HTML and HTML5 specs. There was a ruby bug now as well.
17:12:56 <jaymunro> since originally it was pub'd as a tr doc, it should be cleaned up and point to html spec
17:13:03 <jaymunro> e) CfC: to publish a Last Call “DOM4” Working Draft – closes Tue Jan 28
17:13:04 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0042.html
17:13:06 <jaymunro> topic: e) CfC: to publish a Last Call “DOM4” Working Draft – closes Tue Jan 28
17:13:06 <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0042.html
17:13:48 <jaymunro> an important normative ref to 5.0. This will take DOM4 to last call, will take 4 weeks. Comment from Charles, 4 weeks is ok unless someone asks for an extension.
17:14:08 <jaymunro> a longer review period will be considered if brought up.
17:14:17 <jaymunro> topic: other business
17:14:47 <jaymunro> Philip did a good chair session this morning that will be available publicly soon.
17:15:41 <paulc> Talking about a Spring F2F
17:15:42 <jaymunro> plh: I went backward from last week. The assistance at the TAG event wasn't correct, need to check that. Need to check on the scope of the workshop.
17:16:05 <jaymunro> plh: got some pushback from webapps about not doing a tpac this year.
17:16:56 <jaymunro> Subsitute the spring f2f as a mini-tpac.
17:17:47 <jaymunro> trying to get folks to move, get people to book rooms. Need to get the rooms farther ahead of time. To come up with dates, PLH needs to know what the needs are
17:18:00 <jaymunro> . Trying to make progress, but moving slowly.
17:18:21 <jaymunro> Topic: other other business
17:18:57 <jaymunro> plh: we have other people working on a date report of the testing status. approved, and pending approval to see what tests are being worked on.
17:19:46 <jaymunro> plh: we're hoping that we will get a final picture of the range of tests. We are able to generate implementation reports for the entire test suite. Our biggest weakness is section 5. Need to make a push on getting tests for section 5.
17:20:08 <jaymunro> paulc: you mentioned if people could approve pull requests on tests.
17:20:40 <jaymunro> plh: there is a push on the platform to get the pull requsts under 120. When from 50 pull requestions to 48 on html spec.
17:20:48 <cabanier_> SteveF: Chrome, IE and some engineers from mozilla agree
17:21:15 <jaymunro> plh: will cross to kris about focusing on section 56
17:21:21 <jaymunro> section 5
17:21:22 <cabanier_> SteveF: when I asked for review of my patch for firefox, the reviewer talked to hixie.
17:21:49 <cabanier_> SteveF: and Hixie changed the spec so it states the opposite of what we agreed upon
17:22:04 <cabanier_> SteveF: I'm hopeful that the patch will land in FF
17:22:07 <jaymunro> PLH: we think we can get these done in the next few months. Section 5 is the part on loading webpages. We feel we have some dragons in that are. and need to work with the working group
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17:22:36 <jaymunro> plh: We're trying to get a test for every feature in the spec, for consideration of being dropped if not implemented.
17:23:14 <plh> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/HTML_Normative_References
17:23:19 <jaymunro> PLH: robin did an update on a page where we traced the normative references for status. robin updated this week, so the wiki has the latest data.
17:23:36 <SteveF> cabanier_:ok, thanks was just looking at the whatwg spec and didn't see it changed so wondered
17:23:38 <jaymunro> PLH: good progress on the latest front.
17:24:06 <jaymunro> Paulc: what about things that are outside the working group, like webidl?
17:24:32 <Zakim> +??P20
17:24:42 <cabanier_> SteveF: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/1d400d3ad11a5b79d75902ef0f4ea69ba6a03001
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17:24:51 <jaymunro> PLH: how much pressure do we need to apply to other groups? How do we need them to complete that document? Thats what the new version is about, some we should worry, other we shouldn't worry.
17:25:14 <cabanier_> SteveF: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/2728a6de9219617dcc51c4160819d262e1dc8ba1
17:25:38 <jaymunro> PLH: I released this this morning. Plan is to talk to the groups. For WebIDL we know the status, biggest issue is implementation. test suite not approved but fully reviewed.
17:25:38 <tantek> Zakim, who is on the phone
17:25:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', tantek
17:25:45 <tantek> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:25:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Daniel_Austin, Plh, ??P17, Sam, ??P20
17:25:47 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
17:25:47 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
17:25:49 <jaymunro> issue is that we don't have complete implementation.
17:26:06 <jaymunro> the issue is that we don't have complete implementation.
17:26:08 <tantek> Zakim, ??P20 is tantek
17:26:08 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
17:26:14 <jaymunro> PLH: that's it.
17:26:27 <SteveF> cabanier_: but drawFocusIfNeeded(element) not in there yet
17:26:56 <jaymunro> Paulc: call for scribe? Krisk next week, with backup.
17:27:05 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
17:27:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/23-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
17:27:11 <tantek> thanks jaymunro
17:27:11 <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
17:27:15 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
17:27:17 <Zakim> -??P17
17:27:17 <Zakim> -Plh
17:27:20 <Zakim> -Sam
17:27:23 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:27:25 <Zakim> -tantek
17:27:29 <Zakim> -paulc
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17:27:31 <Zakim> Attendees were paulc, jaymunro, [Microsoft], Eliot, Daniel_Austin, Plh, Sam, tantek
17:28:04 <cabanier_> SteveF: no.
17:28:53 <cabanier_> SteveF: I guess that since we renamed the API, we're actually not out of sync :-)
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