IRC log of chairing on 2014-01-23

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Cannot hear plh if he is talking
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zakim, aabb is me
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+drott; got it
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Present+ Dominik Röttsches
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zakim, ??P28 is me
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+nigel; got it
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Present+ Dominik_Röttsches
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zakim, call kenny-mobile
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ok, kenny; the call is being made
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zakim, mute me
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Kenny should now be muted
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zakim, EricP is wuwei
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+wuwei; got it
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zakim, mute me
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wuwei should now be muted
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plh: I'm Philippe Le Hegaret
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... W3C staff
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... i used to be a Chair, have fond memories
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... I manage 15+ WGs and chairs do have issues
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slide 2: Chair Training Modules
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plh: today I'm going to talk about W3C process and W3C Team
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... next session, on tooling
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... other session on the Human Dimension
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... and last "Focusing the Working Group"
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slide 3: Today's program
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PLH: consensens and groups participants
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... I'll talk about the organization of the team
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... The domains
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... Process document and Patent policy
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... TAG and AB, and roles they're playing
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... and the roles of team contacts and chairs
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slide 5: W3C
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PLH: W3C's mission: long-term growth of the Web
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... W3C has principles: cooperation, adherences to principles, collective empowerment, royalty-free, and voluntary adoption
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15:10:07 [paulc]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:10:07 [Zakim]
On the phone I see PLH, Doug_Schepers (muted), lizadaly, Judy, Jim_Allan, paulc, wseltzer, chaals, joshue (muted), koalie (muted), BHill, Shawn (muted), drott, Ted, Jeff, nigel,
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... gmandyam, [IPcaller], AWK, Kenny (muted), Jeanne, Debbie_Dahl, wuwei (muted), Andy_Coleman, Sharron, Caroline
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PLH: W3C has four hosts
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... MIT, ERCIM, Keio and Beihang
15:10:45 [Jan]
zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
15:10:58 [koalie]
... each member of the w3c team is an employee of those four institutions, with a few exceptions
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... we are spread around the world
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... some of us work from home
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W3C is made of Members
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... almost 400
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s/W3C is made/PLH: W3C is made/
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slide 6
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PLH: consensus is our core-value
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... fairness
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... responsiveness
15:13:04 [koalie]
... The W3C Process has a whole section on participations, appeal
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... appeal is rarely engaged, but it did happen in the past
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... The W3C Process is managed by the W3C Advisory Board
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... the AB is currently making a revision of the Process
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slide 7: Consensus
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PLH: consensus means not getting all to agree
15:14:29 [koalie]
... a good way to reach it? ask if individuals can live with a decision
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... if they can't, they're entitled to raise a formal objection
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... as a chair you're entitled to record the decision
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... where there is a formal objection
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... and you can move on.
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... FOs are considered by the Director
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... Chairs must report FOs during transitions, lest you're in violation with the W3C Process
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... You need to provide a rationale
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... and possibly a proposed resolution
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slide 8: Group Participants
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PLH: Member rep, invited expert, team rep
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... each must represent at least one organization
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... and is subject to the RF licensing requirements
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slide 9: Member representatives
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PLH: one per company
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... authorized to represent the Member within a working group
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... AC reps do not have to be employed by the company they represent
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... this is a little-known fact.
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... They are under the conflict of interest policy
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... The Director MAY decline their participation.
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... And they're also subject ot the RF licensing requirements of their Member org.
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slide 10: Invited Experts
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PLH: invited by the Chair because they have a particular expertise
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... please talk with your team contact beforehand
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... they represent an organization which isn't a Member; e.g. they're sometimes acting as liaisons
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... we require they provide some information
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... disclosures
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slide 11: Team representatives
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PLH: they're W3C paid staff, or interns, or W3C Fellows
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... under a dedicated team conflict of interest policy.
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... they represent W3C withing their working group.
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slide 13: W3C Team Organization
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PLH: look at the chart on the slide
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... it gives an idea how we are organized
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15:22:37 [koalie]
... our technical work is concentrated within W3C domains
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PLH: We have now 5 domains
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... the newest one is Information and Knowledge (INK)
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... You may have interactions with our Marketing and Communications team, and our Systems team
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slide 14: W3C Director
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PLH: Tim BL is Is the lead technical architect at W3C
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... is part of the TAG (Technical Architecture Group)
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... he makes architectural choices
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... he approves new groups
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... he appoints group chairs
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... and resolves the appeal of a working group decision
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slide 15: W3C CEO
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PLH: Jeff Jaffe leads the organization
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... he's very open and I encourage you to talk to him as you need
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... Ralph Swick is CEO of the W3C and helps with the operations as well
15:25:59 [Zakim]
+ +1.617.575.aacc
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... You can talk to him too
15:26:05 [Ralph]
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zakim, aacc is scottp
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+scottp; got it
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... RRSAgent, the bot we use to record the scribings, is a tool Ralph wrote.
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slide 16: W3M
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PLH: w3m = W3C Management
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... some of the director's authority is delegated to W3M, e.g. group charters review
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15:27:42 [koalie]
... W3M also approves chairs on behalf of the Director
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... All feedback that comes from the Headlights excercises go through W3M
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slide 17: Domain Leads
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PLH: each W3C domain is lead by a Domain Lead
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... we're here to assist you with your WG
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slide 18: Team Contacts
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PLH: TC are here to assist in your groups, they interface all W3C aspects and help the Chair. they represent the W3C and the Director.
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slide 19: MarComm Team
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PLH: marcomm takes care of comm with the Membership
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... the PR and social media, the W3C website
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... also publication rules
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slide 20: W3C Domains
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slide 21: INK
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PLH: Linked Data, XML
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... Digital Publishing (group created in 2013)
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Data on the Web; more than Linked Data
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slide 22: Information and Knowledge
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slide 23: Interaction
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PLH: core tech deployed on the client side, to some extent
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... a lot of APIs too
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... I18N
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slide 25: T&S
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PLH: Do Not Track, privacy, security, etc.
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PLH: Maintenance of the Patent Policy too
15:35:21 [koalie]
... that domains hosts the PSIG
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... pervasive monitoring is under that domain
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slide 27: Ubiquitous Web
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PLH: The Web from the device p.o.v
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... car, TV, mobile
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PLH: Some APIs, extending some APIs, Speech also is done under that domain
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slide 29: Web Accessibility Initiative
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PLH: WAI = Make the Web accessible to people with disabilities
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PLH: They do specs, but also guidelines
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... on authoring tools and content production
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slide 31: all of the work we do interacts in some fashion
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PLH: this draft chart shows how the work we do interacts
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... some specs are more central than others
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... but coordination and making sure you're well coordinated with other group is a very important factor
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slide 32: Horizontal reviews
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PLH: this is getting the review from other domains
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... we do not have a dedicated group yet for aspects on security and mobile.
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... if you believe your work needs review, don't hesitate to contact them
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slide 34: How do we make Web Standards?
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PLH: We get ideas through submissions, headlights, workshops, business groups, and community groups
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... sometimes, we can't fit ideas within an existing group, so we'll create one
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... Only W3C Working Groups produce W3C Recommendations
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... RF patent commitment required when you join a W3C working group
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... you must follow the W3C process.
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slide 35: From an idea to a Web standard
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PLH: Members do help us a lot, as you see from the diagram
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... you as chairs help us a lot with WG charters
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slide 36: Starting points
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PLH: new works comes from Submissions, Headlights, Community Groups, Business Groups and Workshops
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slide 37: Submissions
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PLH: a Member submission is a Member benefit
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... a W3C Member proposes a technology and we publish is on the W3C website
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... it does not overlap with existing tech of a working group
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slide 38: Headlights
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PLH: Annual exercise
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... proposals are public
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... open to Team, Members, and also to the public
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... W3M investigates and prioritizes proposals
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-> "Get involved in Headlights 2014" [Ian Jacobs on behalf of Jeff Jaffe, 25-Oct-2013]
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... approval takes place in July
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slide 39: Community Groups
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PLH: designed to promote innovation and foster new ideas
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... low-barrier participation
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... they may contribute to the rec track
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... RF licensing obligations but only for direct contributions
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15:48:37 [koalie]
... the team monitors CGs to the best of its abilities
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... some work has already transitioned to W3C Working Groups
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slide 40: Business Groups
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PLH: BGs are a W3C umbrella for INDUSTRY conversations for things that MAY have Web Technologies as part of the answer
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... more staff involvement compared to CGs
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... some fees
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... rest is same as CGs
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slide 41: Workshops
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PLH: W3C public event to gather the industry to get as broad a view as possible on a topic
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... depending on the results, next steps vary
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slide 42: Currently upcoming Workshops
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PLH: pervasive monitoring in Feb., geospatial data, web and tv, web payments, etc.
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-> W3C Workshops
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slide 43: 52 Working Groups
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PLH: each WG has one or more chairs
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... the maximum has been three
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... it's useful to have two; they can help each other.
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... one or more team contacts
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... we're spread these days, so you may have a portion of a team contact
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... Tools: MLs, teleconferences, wikis, etc.
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... A Working Group MUST follow the W3C Process.
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[as of last November the median size of a W3C Working Group was 28 participants]
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slide 44: Group charter
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15:53:15 [Ralph]
s/[as/[fun fact: as/
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PLH: Charter: Proposed to the Advisory Committee and approved by the W3C Director
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... it has a scope, defines the nature of the deliverables
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... this is very important wrt the Patent Policy
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PLH: the Process is lax on how you reach a decision within your WG
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... some charters may add extra requirements on decision making
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... Really, it's a tool to drive the work. Use it. Use it well.
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ack nigel
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partack Nigel
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Nigel_Meggitt: Scope of charter, how is it formulated?
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... engineering approach - success oriented
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... other approach is define a, b, and c and assess how you've performed on a, b and c
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... I came in with first approach and got shouted at
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... is there a W3C preferred approach?
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PLH: The answer is yes and no
15:56:29 [koalie]
... the Process tells you defin your scope, your deliverables
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... often, you'll find a success criteria section
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... or an "out of scope" section
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... commonalities don't mean it can't be done differently.
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Nigel: Thanks. That's helpful.
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PLH: btw, you don't have to wait the end of your charter to propose a new one
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... e.g. if you lack a deliverable
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... talk to your team contact.
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... we don't want of course to overflow the AC with updates on charters every week, of course
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s/want of course/want/
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slide 45: W3C Recommendation Track
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15:59:08 [chaals]
[Sorry folks, I need to go and chair a meeting]
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PLH: during review period, any comment you get must be addressed
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... in order for your group to move to the next transition
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slide 46: Patent Policy
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slide 47: PP diagram
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PLH: FPWD triggers exclusion period
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... 150 days to exclude
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... every new LC after that triggers a new CfE
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... 60 days to exclude
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... if there is a disclosure, there is a dedicated process
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... and we create a Patent Advisory Group (PAG); doesn't happen often
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... Patent commitments are validated ONLY when the spec is a Recommendation
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... There's a strong bond between a spec and a WG
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slide 48: W3C Patent Policy for Chairs
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PLH: IPP == Implementation of the Patent Policy
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... through IPP you manage contributions from non-participants
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... it is your role, as a chair, to identify and ask the contributor to make disclosure around the contribution
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... again, exceptions are handled by Patent Advisory Groups (PAG)
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slide 40: AB and TAG
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slide 50: W3C Advisory Board
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s/40: AB/49: AB/
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PLH: elected individuals
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... providing ongoing guidance to the Team on issues of strategy, management, legal matters, process, and conflict resolution
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... The AB meet once a month
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... They manage the evolution of the Process
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... they're currently working on a new version
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... of the Rec Track Process
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slide 51: *PROPOSED* Rec Track
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PLH: including no Proposed Recommendation transition
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[removing named steps -- the substantive work remains]
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... the goald is agility and smoother transitions
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slide 52: W3C Technical Architecture Group
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16:12:09 [chaals]
[Proposed Rec phase might return, too]
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PLH: the TAG tackle technical issues about Web architecture
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... both co-chairs are very eager to help
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... if you'd like to present current work on spec, do not hesitate
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-> TAG home
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PLH: they will give you time during a TAG call
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... they meet weekly.
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... recently a new set of individuals were elected.
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... last f2f a week or so ago.
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slide 53:
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Role of Team Contacts and Chairs
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slide 54: Team Contacts (1)
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i|PLH: elected|-> AB home
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PLH: TCs participate and contribute in WGs, ensure coordination and communication, interface between chair, group Members, other WGs and the team
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... they represent the W3C and the Director
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... including in case of formal objections
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slide 55: Team Contacts (2)
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PLH: TCs help drive the group
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... monitoring participation, publications, etc.
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... they're here to assist you
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... don't hesitate to rely on them whe you have difficulty
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... I see them as co-chair
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slide 56: Chairs
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PLH: You!
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... you are the leader of the WG
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... you ensure progress, keep to timelines, develop charters
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... if your charter is near the end, do talk to your team contact
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... you coordinate with other W3C groups
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... and of course, you maintain Group Process & Organization, including maintaining a positive work environment
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-> Role of the Group Chair
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slide 57: W3C Director
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PLH: in practice, the Director delegaates his authority
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... the slide gives an overview of the delegation
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zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
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... The Director may of course still step in
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slide 58: Have an issue?
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PLH: Get feedback from your team contact
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... if you believe this isn't enough, go talk to the Domain Lead
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... and if that is still no enough, please, contact the CEO and/or the Director
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... we want issues properly resolved.
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slide 59: References
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PLH: links to several crucial resources
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... the Process
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... Patent Policy
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... the Chair Guidebook
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zakim, [ip is me
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+chaals; got it
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[chaals returns]
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PHL: a page I find very helfpul: Working Groups and Activities
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slide 60: Feedback wanted
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PLH: This is the first training session
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... program built after TPAC 2013 breakfast with chairs
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... any feedback is helpful
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... anything missing in a session?
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... some parts more useful than others in this session? do tell me
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slide 61: Next sessions
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Topic: Open mic
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[PLH gives people time for questions and feedback]
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ack paulc
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[I'm open to talking about what to expect from new process, if people are interested in more on that...]
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Paul_Cotton: When I'm speaking publicly, I'm asked how does someone become a chair at W3C
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... How do you become an editor, is another I get.
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PLH: the staff is going to recommend individuals to the Director
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... there is no clear process
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... we pick motivated individuals
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... another factor is driving the group
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... and time commitment
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... and editors are picked within WGs
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... chairs nominate editors
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... they look for time commitment and proficiency
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ack Jeff
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ack jeff
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[I believe a good Chair needs to be commited to a successful consensus but not to a specific design]
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Jeff: Thanks for a terrific job in this module, Philippe
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[+1 to Ralph's sense of what a chair should be committed to]
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... A few additional thoughts
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... It's hard to find good chairs and good editors
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... generally speaking, people who want to do more work are valued member of the community
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... we don't get enough of people who want to become chair or editor
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... our work would evolve more rapidly if we did
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... please send them them me, when you get the question
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... I'll add that we've given an opportunity to people to demonstrate skill at chairing and editing within community groups
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... so, demonstrating competence in smaller assignment is a way, too.
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PLH: We're eager to get feedback on existing chair, and getting new chairs.
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q+ to ask about chair monitoring...
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ack ch
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chaals, you wanted to ask about chair monitoring...
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chaals: Do we want a process or should we have one on getting specific feedback on chairs?
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... is it helpful for you and for chairs?
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... or do we think that would lead to more whinging
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PLH: As of today, in terms of process, what we have is go to talk your {team contact, domain lead, etc.}
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... there is nothing more formalized.
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chaals: but would it be useful?
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... I'm asking the chairs rather than the team
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ack gm
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ack g
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Giri_Mandyam: Great presentation
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... going back to when you talked about consensus building
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... did you mention balancing?
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... it might be a good addition
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PLH: I omitted it on purpose
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate ArtB
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... as far as I know most groups do not use formal vote anymore
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... then years ago, it was very commom.
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[+1 to groups considering that a resort to formal votes is something they should try to avoid…]
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... but this is a mechanism that is available in the process.
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RRSAgent, make log public
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... Depending on how exposed your WG is, it may make your job easier
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ack paul
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... I chose to mention instead that chair can record a decision and a formal objection and move on
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ack paul
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Paul: in my 15 years of chairing, I reply that votes are for administrative matters
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... I agree with Philippe.
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... We do straw polls
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... who can live with a decision
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16:38:06 [paulc]
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... but I have never used votes to make a decision in my years of chairing, except when and where are we going to meet next.
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[We also vote for the TAG and AB]
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Thanks, PLH.
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Thank you plh!
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PLH: thanks everyone for attending
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... further feedback welcome, contact me
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16:38:45 [chaals]
Thanks PLH!
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thanks, very informative
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... I wish you the best in your chair endeavours
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been PLH, Doug_Schepers, +1.617.453.aaaa, Judy, lizadaly, Jim_Allan, paulc, wseltzer, chaals, koalie, BHill, Kenny, joshue, Shawn,
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thanks plh
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thanks PLH.
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... +358.986.aabb, Ted, Jeff, drott, gmandyam, nigel, AWK, Jeanne, Debbie_Dahl, Andy_Coleman, wuwei, Sharron, Caroline, Jan, schuki, +1.617.575.aacc, scottp, Shadi, [IPcaller]
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THANK YOU, Philippe for a great session.
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ack me
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RRSagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate koalie
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meeting: Chair Training, episode 1: W3C, Process, and the W3C Team
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Team_ChTr()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were PLH, Doug_Schepers, +1.617.453.aaaa, Judy, lizadaly, Jim_Allan, paulc, wseltzer, chaals, koalie, BHill, Kenny, joshue, Shawn, +358.986.aabb, Ted, Jeff, drott,
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... gmandyam, nigel, AWK, Jeanne, Debbie_Dahl, Andy_Coleman, wuwei, Sharron, Caroline, Jan, schuki, +1.617.575.aacc, scottp, Shadi, [IPcaller]
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chair: Philippe
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RRSagent, make minutes
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Zakim, bye
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plh, I'm going to edit the minutes
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RRSAgent, bye
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