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14:12:38 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:12:38 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:12:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:12:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:12:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
14:12:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:12:42 <trackbot> Date: 22 January 2014
14:12:54 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:12:54 <sharper> STANDING - Issues and Actions  http://goo.gl/Z7XY3Y [sharper]
14:12:56 <sharper> Agenda+ ACTION-38 'create text for flyer' Simon Harper General and Process Items
14:12:57 <sharper> Agenda+ ACTION-40 Easy to read w3c note finalised Klaus Miesenberge Easy to Read Symposium
14:12:59 <sharper> Agenda+ ACTION-41 Update Symposium Process Wiki Pages Justin Brown E-Learning Symposium
14:13:00 <sharper> Agenda+ User Modelling W3C Note Survey http://goo.gl/25nl1u [yehya/christos]
14:13:02 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [sharper]
14:13:03 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
14:13:05 <sharper> Agenda+ Accreditation of Websites http://goo.gl/MLs83m [vivienne]
14:13:06 <sharper> Agenda+ Close the Loop on the symposium L&F [shadi]
14:13:08 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe [david]
14:13:10 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status  [shadi]
14:13:11 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week  [shadi]
14:13:12 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status [shawn/david]
14:13:13 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING - Any Other Business [sharper]
14:13:27 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:13:33 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-agenda.rdf
14:13:34 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
14:13:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:13:50 <sharper> regrets: Annika, Markel, Luz
14:19:19 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:19:24 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
14:19:27 <Zakim> +??P25
14:19:45 <klaus> zakim, ??P25 is me
14:19:45 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
14:22:03 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:22:03 <Zakim> sorry, klaus, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
14:24:42 <Vivienne> Vivienne has joined #rd
14:25:58 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:25:58 <Zakim> sorry, klaus, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
14:26:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:26:18 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:26:18 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:26:44 <sharper> regrets+ Justin
14:26:55 <sharper> regrets+ Peter
14:27:12 <sharper> regrets+ Giorgio
14:27:18 <sharper> regrets+ Silvia
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14:29:20 <Zakim> +??P15
14:29:29 <sharper> zakim, ??P15 is sharper
14:29:29 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:29:54 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:29:55 <Yehya> Yehya has joined #rd
14:30:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:30:21 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:30:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see klaus, Vivienne, sharper, Shadi, [IPcaller]
14:30:29 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes
14:30:33 <sloandr> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:30:33 <Zakim> +sloandr; got it
14:31:09 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:31:09 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:31:19 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
14:31:20 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
14:31:26 <shadi> scribe: shadi
14:32:08 <sloandr> apologies - someone is doing some carpentry work outside, so I'll stay muted as much as possible!
14:32:43 <Zakim> +??P30
14:33:09 <sloandr> :)
14:33:13 <Yehya> zakim, ??P30 is me
14:33:13 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:33:30 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:33:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:33:37 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 1
14:33:37 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), dropped
14:33:39 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:33:39 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-38 'create text for flyer' Simon Harper General and Process Items" taken up [from sharper]
14:34:02 <shadi> SH: still in progress
14:34:14 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:34:14 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
14:34:23 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:34:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, shadi
14:34:29 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 2
14:34:29 <Zakim> agendum 2, ACTION-38 'create text for flyer' Simon Harper General and Process Items, dropped
14:34:30 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:34:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-40 Easy to read w3c note finalised Klaus Miesenberge Easy to Read Symposium" taken up [from sharper]
14:34:40 <shadi> KM: working on updated version
14:34:46 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:34:46 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:34:47 <shadi> ...expect to circulate it by tomorrow
14:34:52 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 3
14:34:52 <Zakim> agendum 3, ACTION-40 Easy to read w3c note finalised Klaus Miesenberge Easy to Read Symposium, dropped
14:34:55 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:34:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-41 Update Symposium Process Wiki Pages Justin Brown E-Learning Symposium" taken up [from sharper]
14:36:00 <shadi> SAZ: Justin and Silvia worked on cleaning up and structuring the transcript
14:36:20 <shadi> ...will be putting it online and notifying the participants
14:36:21 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 4
14:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 4, ACTION-41 Update Symposium Process Wiki Pages Justin Brown E-Learning Symposium, dropped
14:36:23 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:36:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "User Modelling W3C Note Survey http://goo.gl/25nl1u" taken up [from yehya/christos]
14:37:04 <shadi> YM: will process the comments from the second round
14:37:23 <shadi> ...will have a new draft in the next two weeks
14:38:01 <shadi> action: yehya develop a new Editor Draft with Christos based on the feedback from the two surveys
14:38:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Develop a new editor draft with christos based on the feedback from the two surveys [on Yehya Mohamad - due 2014-01-29].
14:38:48 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:38:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic" taken up [from sharper]
14:39:20 <shadi> SH: handled by Mark and Gerardo but not seeing regrets from them
14:39:36 <shadi> ...assuming going ahead but have not received the call for paper
14:40:23 <shadi> SAZ: said would have something by this week?
14:40:23 <shadi> SH: yes, but no updates since
14:40:37 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:40:37 <Zakim> agendum 7. "STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic" taken up [from sharper]
14:41:17 <Vivienne> q+
14:41:17 <Vivienne> +
14:41:22 <shadi> SH: another catalog item?
14:41:23 <sharper> ack v
14:41:25 <shadi> ack viv
14:41:32 <klaus> +
14:41:48 <shadi> VC: did not do much on user testing and involvement
14:41:53 <shadi> SH: no
14:42:20 <shadi> VC: would be interested to do it in a while after I complete my PhD
14:42:33 <shadi> SH: you were also considering a symposium?
14:42:53 <shadi> VC: maybe around May
14:42:54 <shadi> q+
14:43:05 <shadi> ...think it is an important topic
14:43:08 <sloandr> yes
14:43:43 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:43:43 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
14:43:47 <sharper> ack kla
14:44:08 <shadi> KM: two catalog items in the pipeline from our side
14:44:17 <sloandr> More in-depth discussion of user testing in a symposium could lead on nicely from Tips for Accessibility Aware research discussion, and article publication?
14:44:17 <sharper> ack shadi
14:44:20 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:44:20 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:44:22 <shadi> ...virtual reality and augmented reality
14:44:50 <sloandr> q+
14:44:59 <sharper> ack sloandr
14:45:01 <sloandr> zakim, ack me
14:45:01 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:45:05 <shadi> q+
14:46:03 <shadi> DS: Tips for Accessibility Aware Research could nicely lead into a symposium more specifically on involving users
14:46:24 <shadi> ...probably need a broader discussion
14:46:37 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
14:46:37 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
14:46:44 <sharper> ack shadi
14:47:22 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/users
14:47:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/users/involving
14:49:23 <shadi> SAZ: think not always easy to distinguish between involving users in *testing* versus involving users in general
14:50:25 <shadi> ...could also talk about involving users in evaluation as part of the accreditation symposium
14:50:37 <shadi> VC: for sure
14:50:48 <shadi> ...could approach from different angles
14:51:02 <shadi> ...but could also relate to many different things
14:52:23 <shadi> SH: makes sense to look at the scope more closely
14:52:23 <shadi> ...but probably your PhD has priority now :)
14:52:29 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:52:29 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Accreditation of Websites http://goo.gl/MLs83m" taken up [from vivienne]
14:53:05 <shadi> action: simon to convert Vivienne's write-up into HTML
14:53:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Convert vivienne's write-up into html [on Simon Harper - due 2014-01-29].
14:53:33 <shadi> action: simon to create survey for feedback on accreditation write-up
14:53:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Create survey for feedback on accreditation write-up [on Simon Harper - due 2014-01-29].
14:53:43 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:53:43 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Close the Loop on the symposium L&F" taken up [from shadi]
14:54:08 <shadi> action: shadi to close the loop on the symposium L&F
14:54:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Close the loop on the symposium l&f [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2014-01-29].
14:54:20 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:54:20 <Zakim> agendum 9 was just opened, shadi
14:54:24 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 9
14:54:24 <Zakim> agendum 9, Close the Loop on the symposium L&F, closed
14:54:25 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:54:25 <Zakim> 10. PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe [from david via sharper]
14:54:26 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:54:26 <Zakim> agendum 10. "PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe" taken up [from david]
14:54:31 <sloandr> zakim, ack me
14:54:31 <Zakim> unmuting sloandr
14:54:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:54:55 <shadi> DS: I could outline a draft
14:55:23 <shadi> ...or if need something more meaty?
14:55:57 <shadi> q+
14:56:02 <sharper> ack sh
14:56:04 <shadi> ack me
14:56:22 <shadi> SH: candidate for a survey?
14:57:58 <shadi> SAZ: think something about the proposed approach and maybe an outline (like a table of contents)
14:58:06 <shadi> ...then could go into a survey
14:59:05 <shadi> DS: could propose something but hoping for input by others
14:59:58 <shadi> action: david to update TAAR as discussed http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Tips_for_Accessibility-Aware_Research
14:59:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Update taar as discussed http://www.w3.org/wai/rd/wiki/tips_for_accessibility-aware_research [on David Sloan - due 2014-01-29].
15:01:32 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
15:01:32 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
15:01:52 <shadi> SAZ: often good to propose something for people to react to, rather than to ask people to come up with something from scratch
15:01:56 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:01:56 <Zakim> agendum 11. "PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status " taken up [from shadi]
15:02:22 <shadi> action: shadi to complete feedback on Metrics Research Report
15:02:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Complete feedback on metrics research report [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2014-01-29].
15:02:34 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 11
15:02:35 <Zakim> agendum 11, PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status , closed
15:02:35 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:35 <Zakim> 12. PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week  [from shadi via sharper]
15:02:37 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:02:37 <Zakim> agendum 12. "PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week " taken up [from shadi]
15:02:45 <shadi> action: shadi to complete feedback on Mobile Research Report
15:02:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Complete feedback on mobile research report [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2014-01-29].
15:02:49 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 12
15:02:49 <Zakim> agendum 12, PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week , closed
15:02:51 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:02:51 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:51 <Zakim> 13. PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status [from shawn/david via sharper]
15:02:51 <Zakim> agendum 13. "PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status" taken up [from shawn/david]
15:03:08 <sloandr> zakim, ack me
15:03:08 <Zakim> unmuting sloandr
15:03:09 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:03:50 <shadi> DS: have been looking at the approach for the User Modeling note
15:04:09 <shadi> ...still adjusting the structure
15:04:23 <shadi> q+
15:04:34 <shadi> ...synopses from submitted papers
15:04:59 <shadi> ...then discussion and conclusions
15:05:35 <shadi> ...expect some progress over the next month
15:06:04 <shadi> action: david to work with Shawn on developing an Editor Draft for the Text Customization Research Report
15:06:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Work with shawn on developing an editor draft for the text customization research report [on David Sloan - due 2014-01-29].
15:07:28 <shadi> ack me
15:09:58 <shadi> SAZ: most reports share a common approach
15:10:08 <shadi> ...but some subtle differences
15:10:25 <shadi> ...feel free to bring in early outlines for feedback if you want
15:11:11 <Vivienne> good night all
15:11:19 <sloandr> sloandr has left #rd
15:11:20 <klaus> bye
15:11:21 <Zakim> -sharper
15:11:22 <Zakim> -sloandr
15:11:23 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:11:23 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:11:25 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:11:27 <Zakim> -klaus
15:11:29 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:11:29 <Zakim> Attendees were klaus, Vivienne, sharper, Shadi, sloandr, Yehya
15:11:45 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
15:11:56 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:11:56 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:11:56 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:12:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:12:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:12:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-actions.rdf :
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yehya develop a new Editor Draft with Christos based on the feedback from the two surveys [1]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T14-38-01
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: simon to convert Vivienne's write-up into HTML [2]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T14-53-05
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: simon to create survey for feedback on accreditation write-up [3]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T14-53-33
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to close the loop on the symposium L&F [4]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T14-54-08
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david to update TAAR as discussed http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Tips_for_Accessibility-Aware_Research [5]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T14-59-58
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to complete feedback on Metrics Research Report [6]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T15-02-22
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to complete feedback on Mobile Research Report [7]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T15-02-45
15:12:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david to work with Shawn on developing an Editor Draft for the Text Customization Research Report [8]
15:12:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/01/22-rd-irc#T15-06-04