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14:40:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:40:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
14:40:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:40:54 <trackbot> Date: 16 January 2014
14:41:18 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0026.html
14:41:34 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0026.html
14:42:01 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:42:15 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:42:26 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
14:42:45 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, announcements
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14:59:19 <mats> ah okay, was just dialing :)
14:59:31 <mats> Present+ Mats_Wichmann
15:00:01 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
15:00:08 <Zakim> +??P8
15:00:13 <anssik> zakim, ??P8 is me
15:00:13 <Zakim> +anssik; got it
15:00:23 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:00:52 <Zakim> +??P10
15:01:12 <Zakim> +gmandyam
15:01:12 <mats> zakim, ??P10 is mats
15:01:14 <Zakim> +mats; got it
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15:01:54 <Zakim> +Lisa_DeLuca
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15:06:53 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:06:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see anssik, mats, gmandyam, Lisa_DeLuca
15:06:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam_, Cathy, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, jcdufourd, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, richt, tobie_, slightlyoff_, anssik, Josh_Soref, dom, mounir, trackbot
15:07:06 <Zakim> +Cathy
15:07:12 <dom> Zakim, call dom-home
15:07:12 <Zakim> ok, dom; the call is being made
15:07:14 <Zakim> +Dom
15:07:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:21 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:07:21 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:07:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:07:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see anssik, mats, gmandyam, Lisa_DeLuca, Cathy, Dom, fjh
15:07:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam_, Cathy, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, jcdufourd, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, richt, tobie_, slightlyoff_, anssik, Josh_Soref, dom, mounir, trackbot
15:08:38 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:08:46 <fjh> Shelving notes published, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0025.html
15:08:58 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
15:08:59 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:09:02 <LisaDeLuca_IBM> Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
15:09:06 <fjh> Approve minutes from 9 January 2014
15:09:06 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/att-0015/minutes-2014-01-09.html
15:09:13 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from  9 January 2014 are approved
15:09:21 <fjh> Topic: Network Information API
15:09:21 <richt> fjh, sure, I just need a few minutes and I can join.
15:09:34 <fjh> Marcos proposal and Fernando proposal, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0020.html
15:10:11 <fjh> fjh: marcos note on next step. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0027.html
15:10:37 <fjh> anssik: mozilla and google waiting for each other
15:11:00 <fjh> … no consensus yet whether feature will land, discussion last Nov/Dec
15:11:06 <fjh> fjh: anything we can do
15:11:13 <fjh> anssik: not much, keep on table
15:11:31 <fjh> fjh: there appears to be momentum on the list
15:11:56 <fjh> fjh: Fingerprinting issue discussion, general use of  "events only fired at top level browsing context Window object" language?
15:12:01 <Zakim> + +33.6.77.84.aaaa
15:12:27 <fjh> zakim, aaaa jcdufourd
15:12:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa jcdufourd', fjh
15:12:31 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is jcdufourd
15:12:31 <Zakim> +jcdufourd; got it
15:12:36 <jcdufourd> Present+ JeanClaude_Dufourd
15:12:48 <fjh> Topic: Testing
15:12:59 <fjh> anssik: just sent an update to close action
15:13:02 <anssik> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0028.html
15:13:03 <fjh> ACTION-675?
15:13:03 <trackbot> ACTION-675 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Send update on test status, pull requests on the dap public list -- due 2014-01-16 -- OPEN
15:13:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/675
15:13:09 <Zakim> +jcdufourd.a
15:13:40 <Zakim> -jcdufourd
15:14:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:14:21 <richt> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:14:21 <Zakim> +richt; got it
15:14:34 <fjh> anssik: details are in the message, might have some new QA support as well
15:14:44 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:15:09 <fjh> close ACTION-675
15:15:09 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-675.
15:15:18 <fjh> Topic: Network Service Discover
15:15:46 <fjh> s/Discover/Discovery/
15:16:13 <fjh> fjh: Scheduled review with Privacy Interest Group (PING) (with Rich)  at next PING teleconference,  30 January 2014 9 am PT/noon ET, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2013OctDec/0036.html
15:16:40 <fjh> fjh: WebAppSec call to be scheduled for Network Service Discovery  http://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/
15:17:56 <fjh> richt: published last 24 Sept, some changes in spec since then, around security, privacy considerations, adopted CORS model
15:18:29 <fjh> … there are open issues listed in agenda, need to review those
15:18:29 <fjh> … hasn't been much recent discussion
15:18:29 <fjh> fjh: do we need to publish an updated WD
15:18:47 <fjh> richt: lets clarify on call next week, probably
15:20:25 <fjh> cathy: we need Rich's view on the issues listed in the agenda so that we can discussi
15:20:37 <fjh> s/discussi/discuss/
15:21:08 <fjh> richt: decisions on issues should be based on implementation experience
15:21:20 <fjh> … might need some clarification of some of them
15:21:50 <fjh> … discussions going on elsewhere
15:22:21 <fjh> … we could tweak, but need to make sure of security and privacy, came up in chromium review and elsewhere
15:22:54 <dom> +1 on figuring out the security model as being primordial right now
15:23:00 <fjh> … in current state it is implementable, would like to document what is going on
15:23:45 <fjh> fjh: I think Jean Claude had feedback that has not been addressed
15:24:04 <fjh> jdufourd: yes, we had agreement with Cathy and some items
15:24:26 <fjh> … completely agree that making sure it is acceptable from security perspective, that is a priority
15:24:39 <fjh> … some changes proposed have little impact on this aspect
15:24:48 <fjh> … so should still consider
15:25:10 <fjh> … question, when you talk about implementation, what does this mean, Opera implementation of 1 1/2 year ago
15:25:14 <dom> Zakim, mute me
15:25:15 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
15:25:17 <fjh> … my java proxy implementation
15:25:26 <fjh> … this is up to date with draft I believe
15:25:39 <fjh> … what other implementation should we know about
15:25:46 <fjh> richt: chrome extension
15:25:52 <fjh> … missing UI side
15:26:01 <fjh> … opt-in
15:26:35 <fjh> … switched engines on our work, so need to rework code, but need more focus on UI
15:27:06 <fjh> q+ to ask about ping and sec
15:27:27 <fjh> jcdufourd: UI not part of standard
15:27:33 <fjh> richt: yes but important
15:28:30 <fjh> … believe we have discussed most of issues in agenda, I've presented view, not clear what to do, wait for implementations
15:28:54 <fjh> fjh: can we work through some of the issues without waiting, if we can
15:29:47 <fjh> fjh: can we invite someone from Chromium to join PING call to share issues with PING
15:30:04 <fjh> richt: cannot say if they can join
15:32:50 <fjh> fjh: we had review of CORS
15:33:06 <fjh> richt: we had review of Promises
15:33:17 <fjh> fjh: will follow up on various reviews
15:34:56 <fjh> richt:  if you are interested in this it would be helpful if you would lobby your favorite browser vendor
15:35:41 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up with WebAppSec and CORs review of Network Service Discovery
15:35:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-677 - Follow up with webappsec and cors review of network service discovery [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-01-23].
15:36:04 <fjh> Topic: Vibration API
15:36:11 <fjh> ACTION-666?
15:36:11 <trackbot> ACTION-666 -- Giridhar Mandyam to Check with internal implementers whether vibration api is consistent with chip capabilities -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN
15:36:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/666
15:36:33 <fjh> gmandyam: did not get answer still looking into it
15:36:40 <Zakim> -Cathy
15:36:45 <fjh> ACTION-673?
15:36:45 <trackbot> ACTION-673 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update vibration spec with note related o issue-149 and update status section to list changes since last cr publication -- due 2014-01-16 -- OPEN
15:36:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/673
15:36:48 <dom> [I didn't send this to public-device-apis, but people in the group might find interesting/entertaining my review of API permissions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2014Jan/0001.html ]
15:37:09 <Zakim> +Cathy
15:37:17 <dom> Zakim, unmute me
15:37:17 <Zakim> Dom should no longer be muted
15:38:30 <fjh> dom: sent report to look at consistency across permissions
15:38:51 <fjh> fjh: can you please share this with PING
15:39:01 <fjh> anssik: can you please share with sysapps
15:39:08 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise>
15:39:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise>', fjh
15:39:14 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
15:39:26 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: anssik (68%)
15:41:49 <Zakim> -jcdufourd.a
15:41:51 <Zakim> -gmandyam
15:41:52 <Zakim> -anssik
15:41:52 <Zakim> -Lisa_DeLuca
15:41:53 <Zakim> -richt
15:41:54 <Zakim> -mats
15:41:56 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
15:41:56 <Zakim> -Dom
15:41:57 <fjh> none
15:41:59 <Zakim> -Cathy
15:42:02 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:42:06 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:42:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/16-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:42:11 <Zakim> -fjh
15:42:12 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:42:12 <Zakim> Attendees were anssik, gmandyam, mats, Lisa_DeLuca, Cathy, Dom, fjh, +33.6.77.84.aaaa, jcdufourd, richt
15:43:04 <fjh> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:43:50 <fjh> Present+ Giri_Mandyam
15:44:24 <fjh> s/ah okay, was just dialing :)//
15:44:40 <fjh> s/ fjh, sure, I just need a few minutes and I can join.//
15:45:25 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:45:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/16-dap-minutes.html fjh
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