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20:00:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WPWG
20:00:48 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
20:00:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
20:00:49 <trackbot> Date: 15 January 2014
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20:02:48 <JatinderMann> who is talking?
20:02:53 <JatinderMann> zakim, who is talking?
20:02:53 <Zakim> sorry, JatinderMann, I don't know what conference this is
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20:04:45 <plh3> zakim, this is per
20:04:45 <Zakim> ok, plh3; that matches RWC_web-per()3:00PM
20:04:54 <Zakim> +Plh
20:05:03 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aacc
20:05:14 <JatinderMann> present+ plh
20:05:27 <JatinderMann> present+ alois
20:05:50 <JatinderMann> present+ bernhard
20:06:17 <JatinderMann> present+ ilya
20:06:54 <plh3> zakim, aacc is  Ilya
20:06:54 <Zakim> +Ilya; got it
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20:07:44 <plh3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html
20:07:50 <igrigorik> hello!
20:08:18 <JatinderMann> Topic: Resource Priorities
20:11:20 <plh3> [[
20:11:21 <plh3> The use cases that I studied for script preloading need more than just
20:11:21 <plh3> that; in trying to address them I proposed a couple of new attributes that
20:11:21 <plh3> set up a dependency mechanism
20:11:21 <plh3> ]]
20:12:35 <JatinderMann> Plh: I believe there were two dimensions to his request, one to add hooks, but there was also a discussion about scripts and ecmascipt 6 and adding the right hooks into HTML.
20:13:06 <JatinderMann> Plh: The Ecmascript 6 changes should be closed by 2014. We may want to talk to them.
20:14:19 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: It may be worth talking to EcmaScript folks and find out what's coming.
20:14:50 <JatinderMann> Ilya: We should keep up with scripts, but we may want to pursue this just for all of the other elements.
20:17:33 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I agree as well. For independent resources like images, resource priorities works well. For scripts and CSS, changing the order can impact page load if not done right.
20:18:29 <plh3> http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-ecmascript-language-modules-and-scripts
20:18:55 <JatinderMann> Ilya: I think Resource Priorities should cover container elements.
20:18:59 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Agree.
20:19:52 <JatinderMann> Ilya: The module work sounds like its still independent of resource priorities, I don't think those two things clash. But I haven't followed the discussion.
20:20:36 <JatinderMann> Ilya: I'll follow up with Ian.
20:20:43 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I'll respond to the thread.
20:21:10 <JatinderMann> Topic: Workshop
20:23:11 <JatinderMann> Plh: We discussed doing a workshop around June 24th near Velocity. Are we still interested in doing this?
20:23:56 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I am definitely still interested in doing the meeting, as we had discussed.
20:24:02 <JatinderMann> Plh: Same format or different?
20:24:39 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I think we should encourage folks to bring topics and prepare. However, I think we should definitely have an unconference discussion with all the right people in the room.
20:25:02 <JatinderMann> Alois: I think some framing into the workshop agenda will help focus the discussions.
20:29:50 <JatinderMann> Plh: We shouldn't require every participant to send a paragraph, we should invite people to attend. I'll send a call for consensus draft.
20:31:21 <JatinderMann> Plh: I'll make sure there are no conflicts with Velocity. June 24 - 26 is Velocity. Dev Day may be on the Fri.
20:31:39 <plh3> June 24-26, Conference
20:31:45 <plh3> June 27, Dev day
20:33:41 <JatinderMann> Ilya: I heard there may be some rumours the day may change. We should talk to Souders.
20:35:15 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: We shouldn't bar entry to Web Perf meeting to the Velocity conference.
20:35:21 <JatinderMann> Ilya: Dev Day is an independent event of Velocity.
20:35:30 <JatinderMann> Plh: I'll send email to Steve.
20:38:01 <JatinderMann> Plh: We should figure out what we're going to do for the private working group meeting, especially if we're meeting on Friday.
20:39:06 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: It shouldn't take longer than a fewer hours (last time we were done in 3 hours).
20:39:41 <JatinderMann> Plh: We should be able to just meeting Friday evening or Monday morning. I'll follow up.
20:41:17 <JatinderMann> Topic: Networking Hints
20:45:03 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I have taken a look the proposal and I shared it with our networking folks. I'll share more details on the mailing list.
20:45:22 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: What is difference between preload and prefetch?
20:48:15 <JatinderMann> Ilya: Prefetch is lower priority, subresource is higher pri. But we have found people can shoot themselves in the foot.
20:52:37 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Most UA preparsers will encounter the 'preload' at the same time it encounters the source.
20:54:11 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: What does prerender mean for images? For documents it means navigate in hidden tab.
20:54:45 <JatinderMann> ...You wouldn't render the image until you have done laying out the entire page. You may decode it.
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21:00:12 <Alois> sorry call dropped
21:00:12 <Zakim> - +1.425.522.aabb
21:00:13 <Zakim> -Plh
21:00:19 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
21:00:20 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Let's discuss some more on the mailing list.
21:00:25 <JatinderMann> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/15-webperf-minutes.html JatinderMann
21:05:19 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Ilya, in RWC_web-per()3:00PM
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21:05:21 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], +1.425.522.aaaa, +1.425.522.aabb, Plh, +1.650.214.aacc, Ilya
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