14:04:47 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:04:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/01/09-dap-irc 14:04:49 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:04:49 Zakim has joined #dap 14:04:51 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:04:51 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 56 minutes 14:04:52 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:04:52 Date: 09 January 2014 14:28:55 fjh has joined #dap 14:51:19 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:51:26 +??P0 14:56:07 trackbot, start telecon 14:56:09 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:56:11 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:56:11 ok, trackbot, I see UW_DAP()10:00AM already started 14:56:12 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:56:12 Date: 09 January 2014 14:56:29 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0011.html 14:56:39 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:56:49 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:56:59 +??P2 14:57:00 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:57:10 ScribeNick: fjh 14:57:13 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 14:57:52 +[IPcaller] 14:58:01 zakim, IPcaller is me 14:58:01 +fjh; got it 14:58:15 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0011.html 14:58:22 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:58:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/09-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:58:23 zakim, ??P2 is me 14:58:23 +anssik; got it 14:58:30 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:59:15 zakim, who is here? 14:59:15 On the phone I see ??P0, anssik, fjh 14:59:16 On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, lgombos, mats, dom, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot 14:59:27 zakim, ??P0 is anssik 14:59:27 +anssik; got it 14:59:33 zakim, who is here? 14:59:33 On the phone I see anssik.a, anssik, fjh 14:59:34 On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, lgombos, mats, dom, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot 14:59:41 zakim, anssik is mats 14:59:41 +mats; got it 14:59:45 zakim, who is here? 14:59:45 On the phone I see anssik.a, mats, fjh 14:59:48 On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, lgombos, mats, dom, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot 14:59:55 zakim, anssik.a is anssik 14:59:55 +anssik; got it 15:00:02 zakim, who is here? 15:00:02 On the phone I see anssik, mats, fjh 15:00:04 On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, lgombos, mats, dom, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot 15:00:11 zakim, mute anssik 15:00:11 anssik should now be muted 15:00:17 zakim, unmute anssik 15:00:18 anssik should no longer be muted 15:01:05 +??P13 15:01:08 Zakim, ??P13 is me 15:01:09 +dom; got it 15:01:22 Cathy has joined #dap 15:01:24 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 15:02:47 proposed RESOLUTION: Cancel 23 January 2014 teleconference. 15:02:47 proposed RESOLUTION: Cancel 24 April 2014 teleconference. 15:03:14 +Cathy 15:03:47 +1 on cancelling both 15:03:57 RESOLUTION: Cancel 23 January 2014 teleconference 15:04:06 RESOLUTION: Cancel 24 April 2014 teleconference. 15:04:27 fjh: will update minutes page, which has upcoming meetings http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html#upcoming-teleconferences 15:04:49 Topic: Minutes approval 15:04:58 Approve minutes from12 December 2013 15:04:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Dec/att-0027/minutes-2013-12-12.html 15:05:05 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 12 December 2013 are approved 15:05:14 Topic: Shelving Notes 15:05:31 fjh: Drafts updated, publication request submitted. Planned publication date 14 January 2014 15:05:38 Links to drafts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0009.html 15:05:57 dom: we agreed not to have home page news 15:06:00 fjh: yes 15:06:20 +Lisa_DeLuca 15:07:02 LisaDeLuca_IBM has joined #dap 15:07:42 dom: need to contact Comm team 15:07:50 fjh: I can do that 15:08:11 Topic: Vibration 15:08:27 Issue status summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0005.html 15:08:44 Issue-149? 15:08:44 Issue-149 -- handling of long vibration list - truncate or no vibration at all -- open 15:08:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/149 15:11:12 proposed change is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0012.html 15:12:26 second change here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0112.html 15:12:43 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/vibration/Overview.src.html.diff?r1=1.7;r2=1.8;f=h 15:12:57 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/vibration/Overview.src.html 15:15:02 Present+ Lisa_DeLuca 15:15:03 fjh: believe we need new LC and CR for the normative algorithm change 15:15:14 anssik: ok, can add note then as well, agree for need for publication 15:15:15 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/vibration/Overview.src.html.diff?r1=1.6;r2=1.7;f=h 15:15:24 allow concurrent invocations in different browsing contexts (ACTION-652) 15:15:46 anssik: this is another change 15:17:28 -dom 15:17:42 +??P13 15:17:43 Zakim, ??P13 is me 15:17:43 +dom; got it 15:18:05 action: anssik to update Vibration spec with note related o ISSUE-149 and update status section to list changes since last CR publication 15:18:07 Created ACTION-673 - Update vibration spec with note related o issue-149 and update status section to list changes since last cr publication [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-01-16]. 15:18:20 action: fjh to open CfC for LC publication of Vibration 15:18:21 Created ACTION-674 - Open cfc for lc publication of vibration [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-01-16]. 15:18:28 -Cathy 15:18:42 Topic: Ambient Light 15:18:52 fjh: Do we have a resolution of question whether to merge light level event into LightEvent and rename, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Apr/0043.html ? 15:18:58 +Cathy 15:19:21 fjh: is this resolved? 15:19:47 anssik: working on implementation and then can send in feedback in next few months 15:20:53 fjh: can we publish update now or wait for implementation 15:21:02 anssik: should wait for implementation feedback 15:21:14 fjh: ok, this will impact the schedule, makes sense, but does move the schedule out 15:21:26 anssik: yes, will double check on implementation plans 15:21:43 Topic: Network Information API 15:22:04 Marcos has proposal, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jan/0013.html 15:22:44 fjh: I suggest we should have further list discussion on this, but wanted to bring to your attention 15:22:58 anssi: having connection type is useful 15:23:17 … this proposal could accommodate different levels of abstraction, so this might work 15:23:52 fjh: we have a detailed issue yet are discussing higher level concerns, thus suggest closing the issue 15:23:58 ISSUE-128? 15:23:58 ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open 15:23:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128 15:24:36 fjh: once we have a detailed proposal we could raise new issues 15:25:08 dom: maybe wait until we decide to move to Marcos proposal, if we do. If we do change to that proposal then this can be closed 15:25:17 Topic: Testing 15:25:27 fjh: any updates? 15:25:51 ACTION-523? 15:25:51 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 15:25:51 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 15:26:21 anssik: test suites have been updated 15:26:47 fjh: if there are any significant changes please send a summary to the DAP list 15:27:27 anssik: Pull request for HTML Media Capture test is waiting for review 15:29:32 action: anssik to send update on test status, pull requests on the DAP public list 15:29:37 -dom 15:29:37 Created ACTION-675 - Send update on test status, pull requests on the dap public list [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-01-16]. 15:29:49 +??P13 15:29:53 Zakim, ??P13 is me 15:29:53 +dom; got it 15:31:18 fjh: it would be very helpful to summarize the status, what is missing, and which pull requests need review 15:31:38 Topic: Roadmap planning 15:31:59 fjh: good to understand what we are trying to do and when 15:32:01 Review of plans for DAP WG and specifications on home page 15:32:25 roadmap on home page: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/#roadmap 15:33:09 we have six specs not in TF: battery, html media capture, network information, light, proximity, vibration, network service discovery 15:33:31 stable CR with test work: battery, html media capture, proximity 15:33:45 revisions requiring LC/CR: light, vibration 15:33:54 new: network information 15:34:06 new: network service discovery 15:35:08 Zakim, call dom-mobile 15:35:08 ok, dom; the call is being made 15:35:10 +Dom 15:35:13 anssik: battery implementation has work in chromium so this is helpful 15:35:20 -dom 15:35:38 fjh: not sure of timing but perhaps we can move Battery to REC by summer? 15:35:55 anssik, re battery in Chromium, could you add a ref in http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Battery_Status_API ? 15:36:14 fjh: html media capture, proximity need test cases and implementation 15:37:31 fjh: Note - Network Service Discovery overview (with Rich) for Privacy Interest Group (PING) scheduled at next PING teleconference, 30 January 2014 9 am PT/noon ET, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2013OctDec/0036.html 15:37:31 WebAppSec call to be scheduled for Network Service Discovery http://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/ 15:37:49 Intent to Implement: Battery Status API in Chromium -> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/fzoG6Phr09k 15:39:27 fjh: for network service discovery PING call will be to give an overview, then we can expect privacy feedback subsequently 15:39:55 fjh: expect we need to publish an updated WD of Network Service discovery once RIch is available, maybe end Jan//Feb 15:40:16 fjh: network information has active discussion on list, new proposal from Marcos, please review and join in 15:41:45 fjh: plan is to persistently work to drive this work forward, but we have limited control over implementations so cannot accurately predict a schedule 15:42:18 dom: we need to think ahead about implementation reports and test reports and to get test results from implementations 15:42:54 dom: we also need to make sure we review implementation results to determine if problems are bugs in implementations or spec problems 15:43:11 updated http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Battery_Status_API 15:43:27 fjh: we don't have completed test cases for most, but for battery we do so we should focus on battery first to see have this right 15:44:40 Topic: Issue Review 15:44:53 fjh: trying to get focus and reduce number of open issues 15:45:13 anssik: once we have implementations we can get more tests and feedback 15:45:43 fjh: most issues are Network Service Discovery, will defer discussion 15:46:29 fjh: Postponed issues are deferred until a subsequent v.next publication (e.g. after the upcoming REC) 15:47:02 dom: "postponed" can mean whatever we want (since that's not a w3c process defined term) 15:47:08 ... but I agree this is how I would interpret it 15:47:46 fjh: yes, I want to be clear how i am using it - to defer to next release. 15:48:33 please review postponed issues and note on list if any concern/disagreement: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/postponed 15:49:09 fjh: most are contacts or messaging, so no longer relevant. A number of vibration issues however 15:49:16 Topic: Agenda 15:49:21 -Dom 15:49:28 ACTION-671? 15:49:28 ACTION-671 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Prepare shelved note publications after tpac http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html -- due 2013-11-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:49:28 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/671 15:49:36 ACTION-523? 15:49:36 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 15:49:36 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 15:49:42 ACTION-666? 15:49:43 ACTION-666 -- Giridhar Mandyam to Check with internal implementers whether vibration api is consistent with chip capabilities -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN 15:49:43 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/666 15:50:30 -fjh 15:50:32 -Lisa_DeLuca 15:50:35 -Cathy 15:50:37 -mats 15:50:40 -anssik 15:50:42 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:50:42 Attendees were fjh, mats, anssik, dom, Cathy, Lisa_DeLuca 15:50:50 fjh: actions from today: 15:51:00 ACTION-673? 15:51:00 ACTION-673 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update vibration spec with note related o issue-149 and update status section to list changes since last cr publication -- due 2014-01-16 -- OPEN 15:51:00 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/673 15:51:09 ACTION-674? 15:51:09 ACTION-674 -- Frederick Hirsch to Open cfc for lc publication of vibration -- due 2014-01-16 -- OPEN 15:51:09 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/674 15:51:12 ACTION-675? 15:51:12 ACTION-675 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Send update on test status, pull requests on the dap public list -- due 2014-01-16 -- OPEN 15:51:12 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/675 15:51:33 Action: fjh to contact W3C Comm team regarding sharing status of shelved documents without news item 15:51:33 Created ACTION-676 - Contact w3c comm team regarding sharing status of shelved documents without news item [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-01-16]. 15:51:44 Topic: Other Business 15:51:45 none 15:51:48 Topic: Adjourn 15:51:53 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:51:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/09-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:51:59 zakim, who is here? 15:51:59 apparently UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended, fjh 15:52:00 On IRC I see LisaDeLuca_IBM, Cathy, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, mats, dom, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir, anssik, trackbot 15:53:01 i/Cancel 24 and 15:53:08 i/Cancel 24/ and 16:32:30 lgombos has joined #dap 17:04:04 lgombos has joined #dap