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14:58:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:04 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:58:04 <trackbot> Date: 08 January 2014
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14:58:56 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
14:58:56 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/01/08-webfonts-irc#T14-58-56
14:59:44 <ChrisL> vlad, updated evaluation report at http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/WOFF2ER/
15:00:38 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has now started
15:00:45 <Zakim> +Vlad
15:01:28 <Vlad> Thanks, Chris
15:01:41 <Zakim> +ChrisL
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15:04:05 <ChrisL> scribenick: fil
15:04:31 <ChrisL> chair: vlad
15:04:38 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
15:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vlad, ChrisL, ??P18
15:04:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see fil, kuettel, ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, trackbot
15:04:49 <ChrisL> zakim, ??p18 is fil
15:04:49 <Zakim> +fil; got it
15:05:14 <kuettel> I haven't been able to join the conference call just yet.  Trying again
15:05:56 <Zakim> + +1.408.921.aaaa
15:06:34 <ChrisL> regrets: jonathan
15:07:24 <ChrisL> Topic: predictive points
15:07:31 <fil> discussing email from jonathan
15:08:34 <fil> vlad: expected minimal benefit, but didn't expect large increase in size
15:09:25 <fil> vlad: From the data can conclude that predictive points aren't useful. It was a great idea and exploration
15:10:04 <ChrisL> I summarised this here http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/WOFF2ER/#preproc
15:10:12 <ChrisL> but without the data yet
15:10:20 <fil> even though we can get reduction of font input, once it goes through the entropy coder there is a penalty
15:11:51 <fil> ChrisL: wants to keep specs terse and easily implementable, and keep data in the appendices
15:13:42 <ChrisL> Topic: pattern
15:13:48 <kuettel> Update from Fil on patents
15:14:01 <ChrisL> s/pattern/patent
15:14:39 <kuettel> Vlad giving quick background on the topic
15:15:43 <kuettel> The question that came up before, was what IP policy / path is being pursued for Brotli
15:16:06 <kuettel> Chris, said that the precedent is to use a patent grant
15:16:51 <kuettel> Vlad: is the goal to pursue the RFC track?
15:17:50 <kuettel> Fil: reached out to the open source / patent team internally
15:18:14 <kuettel> Fil: the team suggested that the W3C patent policy could accomplish the goal
15:19:18 <kuettel> Fil: with the RFC track (and precedent for spdy work), there would be a disclosure / grant
15:19:21 <fil> SPDY disclosure: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1692/
15:19:24 <kuettel> Fil: posting an example link
15:20:11 <kuettel> Chris: eager to research this further and confirm that this would be a good path to pursue
15:20:28 <kuettel> Fil: also noting that the code was released under the Apache license
15:20:56 <kuettel> Fil: thus, in using the code it would be a non-issue
15:21:08 <kuettel> Fil: but we would still like to explore the disclosure
15:21:40 <kuettel> Fil: patent team is eager to take the steps necessary to ensure that others can fully implement Brotli / WOFF 2.0 without issue
15:22:23 <kuettel> Vlad: a broader grant (not just limited to W3C use) would be ideal
15:22:48 <kuettel> Fil: let's confirm in the next meeting w/ Chris that this is the right path to pursue
15:22:58 <fil> Topic: Brotli security
15:23:10 <fil> Chrome and Google Fonts have started security testing, initally with fuzz testing
15:23:22 <fil> Work has started and it's looking good
15:23:38 <fil> ChrisL: Will that work be published anywhere, and what is the extent?
15:23:56 <fil> kuettel: Will reach out to Chrome team to ask about what can be released
15:24:31 <fil> Topic: Goals for next few months
15:24:44 <fil> Almost done with evaluation report, so can hopefully publish soon.
15:25:18 <fil> If Brotli is published as RFC, W3C group can focus on WOFF pieces
15:26:03 <fil> kuettel: To follow up with Raph about the draft progress
15:26:50 <fil> vlad: Probably will cancel next week's call
15:28:14 <fil> Vlad: should ask on email for call for consensus, ask for objections within a week
15:28:24 <ChrisL> Topic: FPWD
15:28:39 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/WOFF2ER/
15:28:41 <Vlad> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/WOFF2ER/
15:29:30 <ChrisL> Vlad: call for objections to FPWD, will do call for consensus on mailing list as well
15:29:57 <ChrisL> resolved: publish FPWD pending confirmation i=on mailing list
15:31:46 <fil> Next step: need a draft that can be presented to group members
15:31:58 <fil> Does it make sense to start working on longer-term projects like conformance tests?
15:32:29 <fil> Will want to run the same tests like WOFF 1
15:32:57 <fil> Look at all statements in the spec that were testable assertion, and write tests for them
15:33:15 <fil> So, there's a need for a stable spec before tests are written.
15:33:52 <fil> Vlad: because of departures from WOFF1, won't be able to reuse a lot of the tests
15:34:48 <fil> With two-step (preprocessing, entropy coder), might want to test steps separately.
15:35:36 <fil> Bitwise comparison might not be accurate -- eg with hint code, might have same functionality without same bits
15:35:45 <fil> Vlad: We should focus on spec work
15:36:12 <fil> Topic: Changes from original MTX submisssion
15:36:36 <fil> ChrisL: Can't find where there were pieces of the original MTX that were removed
15:36:49 <fil> Vlad thinks that this is in font-compression-reference on google code
15:36:53 <kuettel> https://code.google.com/p/font-compression-reference/source/browse/docs/WOFFUltraCondensedfileformat.pdf
15:37:11 <ChrisL> great, thanks
15:38:22 <ChrisL> Topic: actions cleanup
15:38:38 <Vlad> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/
15:39:37 <kuettel> Actually, here is the right link for the font-compression-reference document:
15:39:37 <kuettel> http://wiki.font-compression-reference.googlecode.com/git/img/WOFFUltraCondensed.pdf
15:39:49 <ChrisL> close action-105
15:39:49 <trackbot> Closed action-105.
15:40:41 <ChrisL> close action-110
15:40:41 <trackbot> Closed action-110.
15:40:59 <ChrisL> close action-111
15:40:59 <trackbot> Closed action-111.
15:41:02 <ChrisL> close action-112
15:41:02 <trackbot> Closed action-112.
15:41:35 <ChrisL> action-115?
15:41:35 <trackbot> action-115 -- Chris Lilley to And Vlad to put together the draft for top-level font registration, possibly based on text from previous attempts. -- due 2012-11-08 -- OPEN
15:41:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/115
15:42:30 <ChrisL> related to action-121
15:43:08 <ChrisL> Vlad: need to document why it is needed
15:43:41 <ChrisL> Vlad: have earlier drafts as a basis, its the rationale that is crucial here
15:43:59 <ChrisL> close action-115
15:43:59 <trackbot> Closed action-115.
15:44:21 <ChrisL> close action-119
15:44:22 <trackbot> Closed action-119.
15:44:50 <ChrisL> we can also close 123 and 124 as those were done
15:45:22 <ChrisL> close action-117
15:45:22 <trackbot> Closed action-117.
15:45:30 <ChrisL> done, tools open source
15:46:08 <ChrisL> close action-123
15:46:08 <trackbot> Closed action-123.
15:46:10 <ChrisL> close action-124
15:46:11 <trackbot> Closed action-124.
15:46:52 <ChrisL> action: chris to reach out on patent for brotli
15:46:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Reach out on patent for brotli [on Chris Lilley - due 2014-01-15].
15:48:09 <ChrisL> action: david to check publication of security review
15:48:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Check publication of security review [on David Kuettel - due 2014-01-15].
15:49:05 <fil> ChrisL: Has Brotli been used for other data types, like SVG?
15:49:30 <fil> Kuettel: Doesn't think so, mostly been compressing text with brotli.
15:50:03 <fil> MPEG meeting next week, might want to try compressing a few examples before.
15:50:33 <fil> Vlad: might get an indication of compression by compressing xml.
15:51:13 <fil> ChrisL: Svg has a lot of path data, which was designed to be working well with gzip.
15:51:42 <fil> action: kuettel to work with ChrisL to try compressing a few svgs with Brotli
15:51:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Work with chrisl to try compressing a few svgs with brotli [on David Kuettel - due 2014-01-15].
15:52:37 <ChrisL> http://people.mozilla.org/~jkew/opentype-svg/GeckoEmoji.ttf
15:52:48 <ChrisL> http://people.mozilla.org/~jkew/opentype-svg/GeckoEmoji.woff
15:53:00 <ChrisL> http://people.mozilla.org/~jkew/opentype-svg/soccer.otf
15:53:08 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/SVG_in_OpenType/
15:53:25 <fil> Vlad: has there been anything done before to preprocess XML for compression?
15:55:27 <ChrisL> action: chris to report on svg binaryxml as a preprocessing step
15:55:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Report on svg binaryxml as a preprocessing step [on Chris Lilley - due 2014-01-15].
15:59:14 <Zakim> -ChrisL
15:59:18 <Zakim> -fil
15:59:18 <ChrisL> (adjourned)
15:59:25 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
15:59:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Vlad, ChrisL, fil, +1.408.921.aaaa
15:59:28 <Zakim> -Vlad
15:59:32 <Zakim> - +1.408.921.aaaa
15:59:33 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has ended
15:59:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Vlad, ChrisL, fil, +1.408.921.aaaa
15:59:45 <ChrisL> zakim, +1 is kuttel
15:59:45 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I do not recognize a party named '+1'
15:59:49 <ChrisL> sigh
16:00:23 <Vlad> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:00:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/08-webfonts-minutes.html Vlad
16:00:25 <ChrisL> Present:  Vlad, ChrisL, fil, kuettel
16:00:35 <ChrisL> chair: vlad
16:00:41 <ChrisL> Scribe: fil
16:00:50 <ChrisL> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:00:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/08-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
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