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16:43:09 <SimonSapin> glazou: is there some approval for publishing CR?
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16:43:36 <SimonSapin> in addition to the WG’s
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16:45:13 <glazou> yes
16:45:22 <glazou> there is a transition call with the Director
16:45:31 <glazou> co-chairs + plh + Director's deputy
16:45:36 <glazou> + Bert
16:45:50 <glazou> hi ChrisL
16:46:13 <ChrisL> hi glazou, happy new year
16:46:20 <glazou> you too ChrisL !
16:46:30 <glazou> SimonSapin, see an example of a transition request at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2013JulSep/0040.html
16:48:22 <ChrisL> also look here http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl
16:48:36 <ChrisL> and set the drop down to the appropriate stage
16:49:04 <SimonSapin> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/biblio.ref points to old drafts :( eg. CSS3CASCADE
16:49:34 <ChrisL> its in a version control system, feel free to edit it
16:50:00 <SimonSapin> I will, but this really should be automatic
16:50:19 <ChrisL> someone should rally implement that
16:50:26 <ChrisL> s/rally/really
16:50:41 <ChrisL> action: someone to do good stuff
16:50:41 <trackbot> Error finding 'someone'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/users>.
16:50:45 <SimonSapin> I guess that’s Bikeshed bug #86 https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/issues/86
16:52:02 <glazou> yes
16:52:07 <glazou> bugzilla.bluegriffon.org
16:52:10 <ChrisL> ty
16:52:22 <glazou> and a forum here : http://groups.google.com/group/bluegriffon
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16:54:11 <glazou> absolutely :-)
16:55:51 <dael> +1 for paste!
16:56:34 <glazou> :)
16:56:50 <glazou> we're about to start here anyway
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16:57:16 <Zakim> +??P15
16:57:23 <glazou> Zakim, ..P15 is me
16:57:23 <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not recognize a party named '..P15'
16:57:29 <glazou> Zakim, ??P15 is me
16:57:29 <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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16:59:36 <leif> Zakim, ??P25 is me
16:59:37 <Zakim> +leif; got it
17:00:03 <Zakim> +[Bloomberg]
17:00:16 <jerenkrantz> Zakim, Bloomberg has me
17:00:16 <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
17:00:17 <Zakim> +Stearns
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17:01:38 <SimonSapin> Zakim, ??P38 is me
17:01:38 <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
17:01:48 <Zakim> +fantasai
17:01:57 <Zakim> +Bert
17:02:20 <Zakim> +Plh
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17:02:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:02:56 <glazou> Zakim, [IPcaller] has florian
17:02:56 <Zakim> +florian; got it
17:03:00 <florian> Zakim, [IPcaller has me]
17:03:00 <Zakim> +me]; got it
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17:03:02 <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
17:03:13 <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (1%), [Bloomberg.a] (9%)
17:03:20 <glazou> Zakim, [Bloomberg.a] has arybka
17:03:21 <Zakim> +arybka; got it
17:03:21 <Zakim> +??P9
17:04:00 <glazou> Zakim, ??P9 is rossen
17:04:01 <Zakim> +rossen; got it
17:04:16 <Zakim> +glenn
17:04:21 <dael> glazou: Extra items?
17:04:36 <dael> Topic: Seattle F2F and TTWF
17:04:49 <dael> glazou: Is sylvaing here?
17:05:08 <dael> glazou: So sylvaing sent a message about updating wiki w/ flight and diet
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17:05:19 <dael> ...: He also says we'll have own name and password
17:05:26 <dael> ...: Please update wiki asap
17:05:40 <dael> ???: I don't have anything.  Sunday before we have TTWF
17:05:46 <dael> ...: I encourage everyone to sign up
17:05:54 <ChrisL> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/seattle-2014#participants
17:05:56 <glazou> s/???/stearns
17:05:59 <dael> ...: If you can't make it, send in test you need written so we have tasks
17:06:11 <dael> glazou: We also need to fill wiki with adjenda
17:06:22 <dael> ...: F2F is soon, so we need proposals
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17:06:38 <dael> ...: plinss will review ASAP, but he's in London
17:06:40 <Zakim> +SGalineau
17:06:40 <Zakim> -SGalineau
17:06:42 <dael> ...: Anything else?
17:07:00 <Zakim> +dbaron
17:07:03 <dael> glazou: is sylvaing there?
17:07:10 <Zakim> +SGalineau
17:07:25 <dael> glazou: sylvaing, hello!
17:07:42 <dael> ...: We were about to clsoe Seattle F@F.  Anything becides e-mail?
17:07:43 <TabAtkins> Woo, coming!
17:07:56 <dael> sylvaing: No.  One new piece is a meetup WEdnesday night with local community
17:08:08 <dael> ...: If there's any comments on that, let us know.
17:08:20 <dael> glazou: Okay.  WE may be leaving Wed night.
17:08:33 <dael> astearns: THere's not easy time.  WE can check if Monday works.
17:08:38 <dael> glazou: Lets move on
17:08:42 <dael> Topic: Charter
17:08:44 <astearns> s/astearns/sylvaing/
17:08:54 <dael> glazou: We need an update on the charter extension
17:09:01 <dael> plh: I was contacted recently.
17:09:14 <Zakim> + +1.281.305.aabb
17:09:15 <dael> ...: It's going to review inside W3C and we'll have feedback by F2F
17:09:16 <Zakim> -rossen
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17:09:28 <dael> ...: If not feedback, we can continue with dicussion within the group.
17:09:42 <dael> ...: Hopefully we should be able to send for final review week after F2F or during it
17:10:06 <dael> ...: I do know that a draft hasn't done anything, but I do expect some feedback.  I think it's as good as we can.
17:10:17 <dael> glazou: There's an arguement.  WE're expecting progress on super group front.
17:10:27 <dael> ...: THat will allow us to make a different charter in 6 months.
17:10:33 <dael> plh: Right now end is Feb 2015
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17:10:41 <dael> ...: So 12 months.
17:10:46 <dael> ...: I guess that's fine.
17:10:50 <dael> ...: That makes sense.
17:10:53 <ChrisL> That is fine, we can always recharter before it expires
17:11:03 <dael> glazou: That will let us with web consortioum discuss super group
17:11:14 <dael> plh: That's where we are
17:11:17 <Zakim> +??P31
17:11:19 <dael> glazou: Questions, comments?
17:11:32 <dael> Topic: CSS Fragmentation
17:11:38 <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2014JanMar/0009.html
17:11:40 <dael> glazou: WE have request from krit
17:11:49 <dael> krit: I create an ex with bordor radius
17:12:02 <dael> ...: Frag means I had multi column with an element across mulit.
17:12:10 <dael> ...: Question is how do we define diff frag.
17:12:27 <Zakim> +Lea
17:12:28 <dael> ...: Spec isn't clear if it's one box split into different parts or drawn between columns
17:12:38 <dael> ...: I think it's essential for many parts to define.
17:12:48 <dael> ...: DO we create diffenet boxes on frag?
17:12:53 <dael> rossen: Yes.
17:13:09 <dael> ...: I've been reading your comments and we can consider that every frag is a box and has its own model.
17:13:26 <dael> ...: The way border is controlled on break is done by using the border box decoration prop
17:13:36 <dael> ...: That gives you ability to have or donn't have padding on break
17:13:57 <dael> ...: So, to further elaborate, as to if that is one box in on frag, I think that's not correct
17:14:16 <dael> ...: Correct is this is collection of boxes.  Frag flow is the collection, not multi fragments.
17:14:26 <dael> krit: To be clear, I'd like a resolution to document
17:14:42 <dael> rossen What type of resoultuon?  One to have us edit spec is fine.
17:14:59 <dael> krit: I just want res that each fragment creates own box.
17:15:02 <Zakim> +SteveZ
17:15:03 <dael> rossen: Yes.
17:15:14 <dael> fantasai: The entire point of fragment is to distinguish from box.
17:15:27 <dael> krit: That's fine as long as spec that each frag has own piece.
17:15:48 <dael> dbaron: There's a bunch of existing specs that assume one or the other.  MOstly assume each frag is own box
17:16:05 <dael> ...: I'm fine either way, but resolution needs to say it's not changing existing specs and they  might disagree.
17:16:09 <dael> rossen: I'm with you.
17:16:22 <Zakim> +??P73
17:16:30 <leif> Zakim, I am ??P73
17:16:30 <Zakim> +leif; got it
17:16:31 <dael> ...: I think that first it being closer to CSS 2.1 for line boxes and the fact they are boxes is that right way to go
17:16:42 <dael> roseen: So should we have resolution.
17:16:46 <antonp> s/line boxes/inline boxes/
17:16:52 <dael> fantasai: I think that's dependant on us for frag.
17:16:57 <dael> krit: I think it's every spec.
17:17:12 <dael> Rossen: WE can see what references and see if there are differences.
17:17:25 <dael> ...: I can't think of anything but multi column, box, and page that talk about this.
17:17:32 <dael> ...: For those I think they're only talking boxes.
17:17:47 <dael> ???: WE also have box generation where they don't have size or position
17:17:56 <glazou> s/???/SimonSapin
17:17:58 <dael> fantasai: What do we call it.  Full name is box fragment.
17:18:09 <dael> ...: The CSS 2.1 calls them both box
17:18:19 <dael> ...: THe content is a box, it gets split, and it's both box.
17:18:30 <dael> ...: So we need to call them box, but be able to distinguish
17:18:45 <dael> rossen: This is why we used frag. to distinguish.  Is that the confusing part?
17:18:55 <dael> fantasai: We also mix us element and box on generation side
17:19:17 <dael> krit: If fragment is how it differs?  When a frag has its own padding isn't defined.
17:19:29 <dael> fantasai: Maybe box fragmenet and box element and they can go by all those names?
17:19:38 <dael> SimonSapin: I think it is defined
17:19:46 <dael> rossen: That's what I was saying a few minutes ago
17:19:47 <fantasai> We can call them both boxes, or we can call the fragments / elements
17:19:51 <fantasai> s/the/them/
17:19:56 <Zakim> -glazou
17:20:01 <SimonSapin> s/defined/defined by the box-decoration-break property/
17:20:07 <Zakim> +??P15
17:20:10 <glazou> Zakim, ??P15 is me
17:20:10 <Zakim> +glazou; got it
17:20:12 <dael> krit: It's not clear which box you mean
17:20:21 <dael> rossen: WE mean fragmenet box, but we can be clear
17:20:38 <dael> fantasai: In frag spec we use frag when we mean it and box when we mean box for the most part
17:20:52 <dael> glazou: What is the action for the near term?
17:20:57 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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17:21:10 <dael> fantasai: We need a set of terms to agree first.  I propose box-element and box-fragmenent
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17:21:17 <dael> dbaron: I don't like box-element
17:21:33 <antonp> me neither
17:21:37 <glazou> let's rename this at CR anyway
17:21:41 <dael> fantasai: Problem is we have a lot that use box and use term element.  We need a term for box-element things that can be shortened to box or element.
17:21:54 <dael> dbaron: I think that if it's element and isn't an element in the dom it's wrong
17:22:03 <dael> rossen: can we have element-box and frag-box instead?
17:22:12 <dael> krit: I like element-box
17:22:18 <dbaron> s/(above)/I think specs that use the term "element" to refer to something other than an element in the DOM are wrong and should be fixed./
17:22:20 <dael> SimonSapin: I'm fine with box-frag.
17:22:20 <astearns> +1 to dbaron - should not propagate the problem of conflating boxes with elements
17:22:32 <SimonSapin> s/SimonSapin:/???:/
17:22:34 <ChrisL> I like frag-box. Anything with 'element' in there implies its in the DOM as a node
17:22:37 <dael> rossen: we can easily clarify in box decoration
17:22:43 <dael> krit that's what I said.
17:22:47 <leaverou> agree with ChrisL
17:22:57 <dael> fantasai: fragmenet means the element and it's consistant on that
17:23:10 <dael> rossen I think what krit was saying is he's confused about fragmenet boxes
17:23:21 <dael> fantasai: We were going now,, fragmenets are not peices of the block.
17:23:39 <dael> rossen: That' wasn't my intention.  The way we impl is the opposite
17:23:48 <fantasai> s/fragmenet means the element/box is the generated abstract thing, and fragment is the piece of it/
17:23:52 <dael> ...: There could have been mis communication, but I've always thought of them as boes.
17:23:59 <fantasai> sgalineau, that's exactly right
17:24:02 <dael> krit: There's a difference.  Webkit is one box.
17:24:12 <dael> ...: IE and Firefox does diff boxes.
17:24:18 <dael> rossen: Becuase we impl frag.
17:24:38 <dael> fantasai: Firefox has frames into a chain which rep box and each frame is a fragment
17:24:41 <sgalineau> fantasai: so they're box fragments. but the terminology does not answer whether border/padding/margins get duplicated on fragments or not
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17:24:56 <dael> krit: So in this case you're saying the frag is right?
17:25:03 <dael> glazou: We need to move one.  Can we con't on ML?
17:25:05 <SimonSapin> sgalineau, that’s box-decoration-break
17:25:07 <dael> rossen: Yes
17:25:10 <leaverou> sgalineau: Isn't that what box-decoration-break is about?
17:25:13 <dael> glazou: I think that's better.
17:25:33 <dael> glazou: We see the problem and we should have margins etc on the fragement, but how to say it tin the spec is undefined
17:25:44 <dael> Topic: Shapes LC
17:25:45 <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2014JanMar/0014.html
17:25:47 <SimonSapin> sgalineau, haa, naming :)
17:25:59 <glazou> fantasai, ok
17:26:02 <astearns> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-shapes/issues-lc-20131203.html
17:26:03 <dael> astearns: WE're at the end of the comment period
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17:26:12 <dael> ...: I've gone through all and created a disposition.
17:26:17 <ChrisL> pointer to dispo of comments?
17:26:25 <dael> ...: got comments from divpub and posted to www-style.
17:26:34 <dael> ...: Nothing formal from SVG, but got from TabAtkins and krit
17:26:37 <dbaron> s/divpub/digipub/
17:26:37 <astearns> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-shapes/#20131203
17:26:46 <dael> ...: There were some explinations and clarifications.
17:27:05 <dael> SimonSapin: SVG was also TabAtkins and he said we didn't have shape from before.
17:27:16 <dael> astearns: He said that before LC so it's not LC
17:27:22 <dael> ChrisL: Did he agree?
17:27:23 <SimonSapin> s/SimonSapin:/???:/
17:27:45 <fantasai> s/divpub/digipub/
17:27:45 <dael> astearns: I gave him rational, but I don't remember what he said.
17:27:45 <TabAtkins> s/TabAtkins/Tavmjong/
17:28:14 <dael> astearns: Some sub changes.  I added serialization and I changed outside from auto-none and I assume we need 2nd LC
17:28:27 <dael> ...: I want to wait until serialization of background is decided.
17:28:36 <dael> ...: Background position changed and I had to adapt
17:28:46 <dael> ...: I wanted to make sure they're serializing in the same way.
17:28:59 <dael> ChrisL: I want to make sure tav's comment is addressed.
17:29:12 <dael> ...: They did in good faith impl something we did and then we backed away
17:29:25 <dael> ...: They need to put text in shapes and they're trying to do what CSS is doing.
17:29:33 <dael> ...: They need to have something they can use.
17:29:47 <dael> ...: Even though it was raised before LC, I'd encourage you to ensure he's okay.
17:29:53 <dael> astearns: I'll get back to him on that issue.
17:30:04 <Zakim> -??P31
17:30:08 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:30:09 <Zakim> +??P11
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17:30:18 <dael> ...: My position from last time is, just because shape inside isn't in lvl 1 doesn't mean we can't go ahead with impl if it's a lvl 2 feature.
17:30:24 <leif> Zakim, I am ??P11
17:30:24 <Zakim> +leif; got it
17:30:41 <rossen____> zakim, microsoft has me
17:30:41 <Zakim> +rossen____; got it
17:30:41 <dael> ...: If it's a lvl 2 feature, they can do it.  WE also have it in webkit and blink and it's just postoned on impl side.
17:30:47 <dael> glazou: I have a question on issue 6
17:31:02 <dael> glazou:  ?? said does this okay with svg WG.
17:31:08 <dael> astearns: We didn't get an answer.
17:31:21 <dael> astearns: We should get a positive responce, but we do need it.
17:31:48 <dael> ChrisL: One useful way forward is to e-mail them and say we need to know if you have comments or need more time
17:31:53 <dael> astearns: I will do that today
17:32:04 <dael> astearns: That's all I had.  I just wanted to update group
17:32:13 <dael> Topic: CSS Syntax CR
17:32:14 <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0060.html
17:32:14 <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0060.html
17:32:27 <dael> SimonSapin: I did not recieve any comments since we discussed.
17:32:43 <dael> ...: I happen to have found something online that I tried to address with mostly editorial clarification
17:32:50 <dael> ...: No normative changes for impl
17:32:58 <dael> ...: This is comments from ITN WG
17:33:16 <astearns> s/?? said does this okay with svg WG/our response asked whether this was OK with i18n/
17:33:16 <dael> ...: So I don't know if I should wait for them or what's the next step
17:33:27 <SimonSapin> s/ITN/I18N/
17:33:33 <dael> glazou: The LC period ended three weeks ago so we're beyond limit
17:33:43 <dael> fantasai: Internationalization did way they might be late.
17:33:50 <dael> SimonSapin: Didn't tell me
17:33:58 <dael> glazou: It's becoming urgent
17:34:14 <dael> fantasai: I would ping Richard ? and ask him if he has comments or need time
17:34:30 <dael> SimonSapin: I did include int. yesterday.  Should I ask Richard specifically.
17:34:44 <dael> fantasai: I would do that and give him time to respond.  Their cycles are slower.
17:34:51 <dael> ...: You should get responce this week.
17:35:11 <dael> ...: I'm happy to say we can resolve for CR as long as they're happy, but I'd like them to say they're okay.
17:35:14 <dael> SimonSapin: Okay
17:35:20 <dael> SimonSapin: I'm happy to reach out
17:35:43 <dael> glazou: I'm in principal okay with that. One point, setting a deadline and never ever meeting it is pointless.
17:35:44 <Bert> (Richard is on vacation this week.)
17:35:52 <dael> glazou: Four weeks beyond is a lot.
17:36:14 <dael> ...: I'm not saying anyone is guilty, but we have a process.  We can extend when people are going to take more time.
17:36:27 <dael> ...: And we can be firmer on the limits, or there's no point in a review period.
17:36:28 <ChrisL> they should ask for an extension. And its asking: we can say no
17:36:38 <dael> fantasai: He did say he's busy and would be taking seveal weeks off.
17:36:49 <dael> ...: Also, this isn't urgent to put in CR.  No one is waiting for it.
17:36:59 <dael> glazou: I agree.  Remember, I said in principal.
17:37:08 <dael> SimonSapin: He told you, but he should have told the WG
17:37:12 <dael> fantasai: He should have.
17:37:25 <dael> glazou: When you contact them, I want you to be firm with them on time.
17:37:34 <dbaron> glazou, the change you made just made the sound worse
17:37:38 <SimonSapin> glazou, your audio is completely saturated
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17:37:42 <ChrisL> daniel we can't hear you at all well, lots of distortion
17:38:11 <dael> glazou: I said that I want to be sure that SimonSapin is okay with plan to ask for somments and get extension.
17:38:19 <dael> glazou: If you're not ok we'll decide.
17:38:24 <dael> SimonSapin: I'm fine with waiting.
17:38:34 <dael> glazou: Please Ping Richard ASAP
17:38:51 <dael> ...: What I see is only editorial changes, so it's easy to move to CR if WG agrees.
17:39:00 <dael> ...: Shall we defer to next week?
17:39:04 <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Dec/0403.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Dec/0403.html
17:39:12 <dael> SimonSapin: Well, we already resolved.
17:39:21 <dael> glazou: We're waiting for comments.
17:39:31 <dael> fantasai: We have that if internationalization agrees we can resolve.
17:39:42 <dael> glazou: Be we don't have a resolution on these comments.
17:39:47 <dael> SimonSapin: So we'll tlk next week
17:39:50 <dael> glazou: That is better.
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17:40:05 <dael> ...: If Richard answers no comments then we're fine and we can move one.
17:40:12 <dael> SimonSapin: What is the next step for CR
17:40:27 <dael> glazou: Bert will issue transition request and we'll have a call with a director?
17:40:38 <dael> ChrisL: Did you see the link I posted with the specs for CR
17:40:47 <dael> SimonSapin: My question was more what do I need to do
17:41:04 <dael> ChrisL: As long as your dispoition of comments is in order, you don't need anything else.
17:41:11 <dael> glazou: So you're all set.
17:41:17 <dael> Topic: Fragmentation
17:41:41 <dael> fantasai: I wanted to, before we untangle box fragments that would require sig changes, I was wondering about pub and updated WD.
17:41:52 <dael> ...: if people think that's a good idea.
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17:42:04 <dael> ???: You asked me to review and I posted stuff on the 6ths of Dec.
17:42:06 <glazou> Zakim, mute me
17:42:06 <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
17:42:12 <dael> fantasai: I'm happy to go through those.
17:42:15 <sgalineau> s/???/astearns
17:42:16 <Zakim> +??P76
17:42:25 <dael> ...: I'll try this week and ask for a WD next week.
17:42:39 <dael> ...: I'm also holding us boxes and borders b/c I wanted to pub both together.
17:42:42 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
17:42:42 <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
17:42:44 <fantasai> s/us/up/
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17:43:02 <glazou> Zakim, mute me
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17:43:02 <dael> astearns: on backgrounds and borders I want cerealization defined before we publish.
17:43:13 <dael> fantasai: Is it in OM?  It's not in  B&B level 3
17:43:15 <TabAtkins> s/cerealization/serialization/
17:43:34 <dael> astearns: You and TabAtkins were taling and said you need to make sure serialization is correct
17:43:34 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
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17:43:45 <dael> fantasai: It's somewhat defined but may be confusing
17:43:55 <dael> glazou: Any other items?
17:43:56 <tantek> Zakim, +??P76 is tantek
17:43:56 <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named '+??P76'
17:44:04 <tantek> Zakim, ??P76 is tantek
17:44:04 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
17:44:11 <dael> glazou: I guess this is a shorter call
17:44:21 <ChrisL> +1 to the generated content should be actual content please
17:44:22 <glazou> Zakim, mute me
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17:44:25 <SimonSapin> leaverou +1
17:44:32 <dael> ??: I wanted to ask about images.  I fwe want live images for CSS image
17:44:37 <TabAtkins> sliced-image() function
17:44:38 <glazou> s/???:krit
17:44:41 <glazou> s/???/krit
17:44:49 <dael> ...: Where we have border images and if we can have something liket hat for CSS images
17:44:49 <SimonSapin> leaverou, Bikeshed’s issue index helps, though
17:44:49 <krit> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0000.html
17:44:56 <dael> ...: I can link the proposal
17:45:10 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
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17:45:13 <leaverou> SimonSapin: ah, good point, I forgot about that
17:45:20 <dael> ...: The intention of the report is that we remove the box propeties that do for masking the same as border image.
17:45:36 <dael> ...: If we use border image to avoid another property.
17:45:53 <dael> ...: I want to ask the group if it makes sense to have a sliced image and if I should move forward.
17:45:56 <glazou> you too tantek
17:46:08 <dael> fantasai: A sliced image is fine, but anything within the image would be tricky.
17:46:15 <dael> ???: You'd have to do an outset.
17:46:32 <dael> fantasai: I'm not convinced.  Maybe 9-slice images it useful for other things, but not for border and masking.
17:46:35 <ChrisL> s/???/ChrisL
17:46:48 <dael> fantasai: b/c those perameters and being about to tie to the border width
17:47:07 <dael> ChrisL: This would move the complicated slicing numbers into imge which would simplify border image
17:47:15 <dael> fantasai: I'm  not sure how you mean
17:47:16 <glazou> s/ChrisL/smfr
17:47:37 <dael> smfr: If this is like masking and broder image, I don't thinkt hat's tied to the 9-piece-ness of the image.
17:47:46 <dael> smfr: Are they tied to slice width?
17:47:59 <dael> fantasai: Tied to how we define the outside of the box.
17:48:06 <dael> fantasai: You'd have one big image yous tretch
17:48:15 <dael> smfr: So the assets are seperate from 9
17:48:24 <dael> smfr: I think this would be useful
17:48:28 <dbaron> smfr: the outsets are independent of the 9-sliced-ness of the image
17:48:31 <dael> fantasai: What else would you use it for.
17:48:34 <dbaron> s/assets/outsets/
17:48:36 <dael> smfr: The buttons.
17:48:45 <dael> fantasai: Wouldn't you use border imge for that?
17:48:55 <dael> smfr: I htink masking is a concrete use-case
17:49:16 <dael> krit: For border image I don't think it's a problem, though may not make it easier.  It's another way to do it.
17:49:30 <glazou> Zakim, mute me
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17:49:31 <dael> fantasai: One reason we split border image is people wanted to take small pieces out.
17:49:41 <dael> ...: This made it easier to change one piece.
17:49:48 <dael> smfr: That's fine.
17:50:02 <dael> fantasai: That doesn't apply to masking, but you wouldn't want to change on have.
17:50:12 <dael> tantek: I think background use case is simplier.
17:50:35 <dael> ...: That way you don't have to use border height to alter.  Not a big advantage, but simplier to achieve end result.
17:50:42 <dael> fantasai: You'd still need same prop.
17:50:44 <Zakim> -[Bloomberg]
17:50:59 <dael> tantek: It's less work slightly on metrics pieces, which is the harder piece to get right.
17:51:12 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
17:51:12 <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
17:51:22 <dael> glazou: So, krit, anything else on this?
17:51:31 <glazou> Zakim, mute me
17:51:31 <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
17:51:31 <dael> krit: My intention was to have match box.
17:51:46 <dael> ...: I'd like to emphasis even with proposals I'd still like to have mask-box
17:51:48 <smfr> s/match box/mask box
17:51:52 <dael> fantasai: I think it makes sense.
17:52:13 <dael> krit: So smfr should we proceed with this image prop to replace mask box?
17:52:28 <dael> smfr: I thinkit would be useful to solicit use-cases to see if it would be useful.
17:52:44 <dael> krit: That's independant of mask image
17:52:58 <dael> ...: So do we want mask box or proceed with replacing it with mask image
17:53:05 <dael> smfr: I don't know if I can make that call now
17:53:12 <dael> krit: I'm fine with waiting, but how long?
17:53:22 <dael> smfr: If we do this, it would be images 4, right?
17:53:31 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
17:53:31 <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
17:53:38 <dael> fantasai: We have F2F coming up.  This could be on the adjenda to wrap this up.
17:53:44 <dael> smfr: That's resonable.
17:53:49 <dael> krit: Aboslutely.
17:53:51 <Zakim> -dbaron
17:53:52 <dael> glazou: Anything else?
17:54:01 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
17:54:01 <Zakim> glazou was not muted, glazou
17:54:05 <smfr> whoa
17:54:07 <glazou> not me
17:54:11 <glazou> Zakim, mute me
17:54:15 <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
17:54:21 <glazou> ROFL
17:54:29 <rossen____> :)
17:54:35 <leaverou> ROFL tab
17:54:36 <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
17:54:36 <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
17:54:40 <dael> ??: How about June dates?
17:54:51 <dael> glazou: I was away for last 10 days and couldn't ping Samsung.
17:54:59 <dael> ...: I'll do that now and report ASAP.
17:55:04 <TabAtkins> Huge +1 for Korea meeting.
17:55:07 <SimonSapin> s/??/SteveZ/
17:55:14 <dael> stevez: You're away that AC meeting is 8-10?
17:55:30 <dael> glazou: Plan is to have it in Seoul, not Samsung HQ because we'd have netowrk issues.
17:55:37 <dael> glazou: I'll report as soon as I can.
17:55:45 <dael> glazou: I guess that's all for today
17:55:53 <Zakim> -Plh
17:55:54 <Zakim> -SGalineau
17:55:55 <Zakim> -smfr
17:55:56 <dael> glazou: Talk to you next week!  Bye!
17:55:57 <Zakim> -antonp
17:55:58 <Zakim> -fantasai
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