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XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 26 November 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0024.html
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Gregory Rosmaita, Markus Gylling, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton
Regrets
Unknown Tina_Holcombe, Alessio Cartocci
Chair
Roland Merrick
Scribe
Gregory Rosmaita
Previous Meeting
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-minuts.html
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting link
  2. Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types link
  3. close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0 link
  4. request XHTML 1.1 PER transition link
  5. request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text link
  6. request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving confirmation from melinda link
  7. XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for transition link
  8. next face2face (february 2009) will be dedicated to review and discussion of XHTML2 link
  9. change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06 link
Topics

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14:44:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2

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14:44:04 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:44:04 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2008
14:44:18 <oedipus> regrets: Tina_Holcombe,Alessio_Cartocci

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14:44:33 <oedipus> Chair: Roland_Merrick
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14:45:49 <Roland> trackbot, start telcon

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14:45:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2

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14:45:54 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:45:54 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2008
14:46:16 <Roland> ta

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14:46:34 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:47:03 <oedipus> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0024.html
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14:48:20 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

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14:48:22 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:48:43 <mgylling> thanks

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14:49:58 <Zakim> +Roland

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14:50:04 <oedipus> zakim, who is here?

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14:50:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, Roland

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14:50:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roland, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, Steven, oedipus, trackbot

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14:50:35 <mgylling> yeah I am IPing

Markus Gylling: yeah I am IPing

14:50:52 <Steven> zakim, [IP is mgylling

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14:50:52 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

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14:51:09 <oedipus> TOPIC: Introductions & Brief Items

1. Introductions & Brief Items

14:52:13 <oedipus> MG: Chief Technical Officer at DAISY consortium (http://www.daisy.org) - sets international standard for digital talking books - primarily blind and visually disabled; been a NISO standard since 2002; now want to change code base by 2010

Markus Gylling: Chief Technical Officer at DAISY consortium (http://www.daisy.org) - sets international standard for digital talking books - primarily blind and visually disabled; been a NISO standard since 2002; now want to change code base by 2010

14:52:45 <oedipus> MG: would like to use XHTML2 as host grammar for series of profiles and hybrid documents

Markus Gylling: would like to use XHTML2 as host grammar for series of profiles and hybrid documents

14:53:06 <Steven> Sounds fantastic

Steven Pemberton: Sounds fantastic

14:53:12 <oedipus> MG: following XHTML2 since inception; one of the most poetic of the specs i've read; here to help in any way i can

Markus Gylling: following XHTML2 since inception; one of the most poetic of the specs i've read; here to help in any way i can

14:53:31 <oedipus> MG: DAISY has always used W3C SMIL for presentation

Markus Gylling: DAISY has always used W3C SMIL for presentation

14:53:41 <oedipus> MG: SMIL3 has dedicated DAISY profile

Markus Gylling: SMIL3 has dedicated DAISY profile

14:54:23 <oedipus> SP: in what respect does XHTML2 meet DAISY's requirements; accessibility always major aim of XHTML2, but anything that sticks out as being particularly useful

Steven Pemberton: in what respect does XHTML2 meet DAISY's requirements; accessibility always major aim of XHTML2, but anything that sticks out as being particularly useful

14:54:44 <oedipus> MG: accessibility definitely one point; Role Module will be made extensive use of

Markus Gylling: accessibility definitely one point; Role Module will be made extensive use of

14:56:27 <oedipus> MG: splitting grammar into to parts: master authoring interface with host grammar that is robust enough to act as host for profiles (example: republishing print books) - 1 profile for leisure books, one for work and text books, another for periodicals; need an underlying host grammar, and XHTML2 is ideal for us; XHTML 1.1 too narrow for our basic needs in terms of structure; XHTML2 is the "great cleanup" of XHTML 1.1

Markus Gylling: splitting grammar into to parts: master authoring interface with host grammar that is robust enough to act as host for profiles (example: republishing print books) - 1 profile for leisure books, one for work and text books, another for periodicals; need an underlying host grammar, and XHTML2 is ideal for us; XHTML 1.1 too narrow for our basic needs in terms of structure; XHTML2 is the "great cleanup" of XHTML 1.1

14:56:45 <oedipus> MG: XHTML2 modularity; concept model is stringent and structured enough for us to reuse it

Markus Gylling: XHTML2 modularity; concept model is stringent and structured enough for us to reuse it

14:57:05 <oedipus> SP: have in past gotten a lot of criticism for changes made, so good to hear when people think got it right

Steven Pemberton: have in past gotten a lot of criticism for changes made, so good to hear when people think got it right

14:57:27 <oedipus> MG: HTML5 makes possible for XHTML2 to remove compromises

Markus Gylling: HTML5 makes possible for XHTML2 to remove compromises

14:57:51 <oedipus> SP: correct; haven't finished all discussions, but points of getting rid of compromises, now that HTML5 is being developed in W3C

Steven Pemberton: correct; haven't finished all discussions, but points of getting rid of compromises, now that HTML5 is being developed in W3C

14:58:05 <oedipus> TOPIC: Oustanding Actions

2. Oustanding Actions

14:58:14 <oedipus> Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda

Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda

14:58:27 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions

14:58:53 <oedipus> RM: first 4 "pending review" are shane's

Roland Merrick: first 4 "pending review" are shane's

14:59:44 <oedipus> SM: Action 11 - draft policy statement about how we want to migrate modules; circulated and got feedback; i think my action is done (accept christina's comments) then what?  needs to be in prominent location

Shane McCarron: ACTION-11 - draft policy statement about how we want to migrate modules; circulated and got feedback; i think my action is done (accept christina's comments) then what? needs to be in prominent location

15:00:01 <oedipus> RM: 2 options: 1. link-to from group page or 2. use wiki

Roland Merrick: 2 options: 1. link-to from group page or 2. use wiki

15:00:19 <oedipus> RM: put on MarkUp front page -- needs more perceived stability than a wiki

Shane McCarron: put on MarkUp front page -- needs more perceived stability than a wiki

15:00:27 <oedipus> s/RM: put/SM: put
15:00:30 <oedipus> RM: agree

Roland Merrick: agree

15:00:50 <oedipus> MG: latest version can be found where?

Markus Gylling: latest version can be found where?

15:01:24 <oedipus> SM: errata gathering for new edition - proposed by RM in august

Shane McCarron: errata gathering for new edition - proposed by RM in august

15:01:51 <oedipus> SM: is right way to do this is "if we identify errata, we will follow W3C process defined here"

Shane McCarron: is right way to do this is "if we identify errata, we will follow W3C process defined here"

15:02:15 <oedipus> RM: seems fine to me - these things happen, here is pointer to how W3C process works

Roland Merrick: seems fine to me - these things happen, here is pointer to how W3C process works

15:02:31 <oedipus> SM: finish action by adding christina's edits

Shane McCarron: finish action by adding christina's edits

15:03:17 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page

ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page

15:03:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-36 - - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03].

15:03:30 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML-Mime

3. XHTML-Mime

15:03:41 <oedipus> SM: updated typos pointed out by RM

Shane McCarron: updated typos pointed out by RM

15:03:58 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0027.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0027.html

15:04:05 <oedipus> SM: additional 1.0 in appendix B

Shane McCarron: additional 1.0 in appendix B

15:04:22 <oedipus> RM: following applies to both; doctype declaration and lang differences between 1.0 and 1.1

Roland Merrick: following applies to both; doctype declaration and lang differences between 1.0 and 1.1

15:04:32 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0023.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0023.html

15:04:44 <oedipus> SM: before or after?

Shane McCarron: before or after?

15:05:10 <oedipus> RM: have it up front most useful - more people use 1.0 - that's why requested example for 1.0

Roland Merrick: have it up front most useful - more people use 1.0 - that's why requested example for 1.0

15:05:17 <oedipus> SM: primary examples should be 1.0

Shane McCarron: primary examples should be 1.0

15:05:25 <oedipus> RM: yes, shows all features, including @lang

Roland Merrick: yes, shows all features, including @lang

15:05:37 <oedipus> SM: leave current action open - will add note as to what i am doing to it

Shane McCarron: leave current action open - will add note as to what i am doing to it

15:06:12 <oedipus> RM: response to olivier's proposal?

Roland Merrick: response to olivier's proposal?

15:06:21 <oedipus> SM: overcome by events; besides, olivier resigned

Shane McCarron: overcome by events; besides, olivier resigned

15:06:30 <oedipus> SP: friday is olivier's last day

Steven Pemberton: friday is olivier's last day

15:06:47 <oedipus> RM: are we ready to issue XHTML Mime as new note with changes just discussed

Roland Merrick: are we ready to issue XHTML Mime as new note with changes just discussed

15:06:51 <oedipus> SM: +1

Shane McCarron: +1

15:06:53 <oedipus> RM: +1

Roland Merrick: +1

15:06:59 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 as amended

Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 as amended

15:07:01 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

15:07:14 <oedipus> RM: anyone think should NOT push new note?

Roland Merrick: anyone think should NOT push new note?

15:07:51 <oedipus> RESOLVED: publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting

RESOLVED: publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting

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15:09:03 <oedipus> GJR: confusion between title: "XHTML Media Types" and shortname xhtml-mime

Gregory Rosmaita: confusion between title: "XHTML Media Types" and shortname xhtml-mime

15:09:53 <oedipus> SM: 3 issues: long title, ref (in brackets in documents - use XHTML Mime in all specs) - url should be same as old URI - should be xhtml-mime

Shane McCarron: 3 issues: long title, ref (in brackets in documents - use XHTML Mime in all specs) - url should be same as old URI - should be xhtml-mime

15:10:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/

15:10:15 <oedipus> SP: old URL said note-xhtml-media-types

Steven Pemberton: old URL said note-xhtml-media-types

15:10:53 <oedipus> SM: shouldn't be called XHTML Mime, but XHTML Media Types

Shane McCarron: shouldn't be called XHTML Mime, but XHTML Media Types

15:11:31 <oedipus> RESOLVED: Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types

RESOLVED: Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types

15:11:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: Action 21

4. ACTION-21

15:12:15 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0016.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0016.html

15:12:30 <oedipus> SM: need to ensure all references point to xhtml-mime

Shane McCarron: need to ensure all references point to xhtml-mime

15:12:34 <oedipus> SM: no errata on 1.0

Shane McCarron: no errata on 1.0

15:12:41 <oedipus> SP: that's amazing

Steven Pemberton: that's amazing

15:12:53 <oedipus> SM: errata in second edition

Shane McCarron: errata in second edition

15:13:41 <oedipus> RESOLVED: close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0

RESOLVED: close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0

15:14:22 <oedipus> SM: if done same for 1.1 and Basic, can we push them too?

Shane McCarron: if done same for 1.1 and Basic, can we push them too?

15:14:26 <oedipus> RM: need to check as WG

Roland Merrick: need to check as WG

15:15:00 <oedipus> SM: reasonable to record that 1.1 and Basic ready to go to PER Second Editions as soon as review finalized by RM

Shane McCarron: reasonable to record that 1.1, Print, and Basic ready to go to PER Second Editions as soon as review finalized by RM

15:15:23 <oedipus> s/that 1.1 and Basic/ that 1.1, Print, and Basic
15:15:33 <oedipus> RM: waiting on feedback from yam

Roland Merrick: waiting on feedback from yam

15:15:37 <oedipus> SP: in process

Steven Pemberton: in process

15:15:44 <Steven> I have the text

Steven Pemberton: I have the text

15:16:01 <oedipus> RESOLVED: request XHTML 1.1 PER transition

RESOLVED: request XHTML 1.1 PER transition

15:16:32 <oedipus> RESOLVED: request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text

RESOLVED: request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text

15:17:27 <oedipus> SP: melinda gave ok?

Steven Pemberton: melinda gave ok?

15:17:29 <oedipus> SM: yes

Shane McCarron: yes

15:17:32 <oedipus> SP: pointer?

Steven Pemberton: pointer?

15:18:21 <oedipus> SM: please ask melinda to send something to point to?

Shane McCarron: please ask melinda to send something to point to?

15:18:29 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to 1.1 Print PER

Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to 1.1 Print PER

15:18:40 <oedipus> RESOLVED: request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving confirmation from melinda

RESOLVED: request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving confirmation from melinda

15:19:12 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print

ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print

15:19:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-37 - - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].

15:19:44 <oedipus> GJR: is that ok, SP?

Gregory Rosmaita: is that ok, SP?

15:19:56 <oedipus> SP: will be able to handle small tasks like this during december 2008

Steven Pemberton: will be able to handle small tasks like this during december 2008

15:20:13 <oedipus> RM: just want to get request in - can schedule transition call for january 2009

Roland Merrick: just want to get request in - can schedule transition call for january 2009

15:20:56 <oedipus> RM: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for transition

Roland Merrick: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for transition

15:21:17 <oedipus> SP: do we need a comments period?  strictly speaking, no conformance changes, so should sail right through

Steven Pemberton: do we need a comments period? strictly speaking, no conformance changes, so should sail right through

15:22:02 <oedipus> SM: 1.0 always pointed to Mime Types document; needs to be reissued because of XHTML Mime Types; taken out duplicate material from 1.0

Shane McCarron: 1.0 always pointed to Mime Types document; needs to be reissued because of XHTML Mime Types; taken out duplicate material from 1.0

15:22:44 <oedipus> RESOLVED: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for transition

RESOLVED: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for transition

15:22:49 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

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15:23:13 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition)

ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition)

15:23:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-38 - - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].

15:23:19 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

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15:23:44 <oedipus> TOPIC: Additional Completed Actions

5. Additional Completed Actions

15:24:02 <oedipus> RM: Action 10 - GJR

Roland Merrick: ACTION-10 - GJR

15:24:14 <oedipus> GJR: no, i have to do data mining - will do after call

Gregory Rosmaita: no, i have to do data mining - will do after call

15:24:24 <oedipus> RM: action 14 - Shane?

Roland Merrick: ACTION-14 - Shane?

15:24:38 <oedipus> SM: no progress

Shane McCarron: no progress

15:24:46 <oedipus> RM: 22 is done

Roland Merrick: 22 is done

15:25:58 <oedipus> GJR: action 22 now closed

Gregory Rosmaita: ACTION-22 now closed

15:26:24 <oedipus> SM: contacted mark baker about http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/26

Shane McCarron: contacted mark baker about http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/26

15:26:33 <oedipus> SM: RFC left an opening which needs to be plugged

Shane McCarron: RFC left an opening which needs to be plugged

15:27:07 <Steven> 3236

Steven Pemberton: 3236

15:27:13 <oedipus> SP: RFC 3236

Steven Pemberton: RFC 3236

15:27:19 <Steven> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3236.txt

Steven Pemberton: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3236.txt

15:28:10 <oedipus> GJR: action 26 updated with reference to RFC number and URI

Gregory Rosmaita: ACTION-26 updated with reference to RFC number and URI

15:28:58 <oedipus> SP: disposed of issues surrounding disposition of comments which claimed we rejected it - when we hadn't

Steven Pemberton: disposed of issues surrounding disposition of comments which claimed we rejected it - when we hadn't

15:29:04 <oedipus> SM: made change before call

Shane McCarron: made change before call

15:29:18 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0028.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0028.html

15:29:33 <oedipus> SM: Access, Role, and CURIEs at same transition call

Shane McCarron: Access, Role, and CURIEs at same transition call

15:30:00 <oedipus> SM: makes sense to do in one call -- Access and Role both point to CURIEs, so have to change pointers if others go to CR

Shane McCarron: makes sense to do in one call -- Access and Role both point to CURIEs, so have to change pointers if others go to CR

15:30:15 <oedipus> RM: based on transition call, may have to make editorial changes

Roland Merrick: based on transition call, may have to make editorial changes

15:30:28 <oedipus> SM: need to change Access and Role to point to CR version of CURIEs

Shane McCarron: need to change Access and Role to point to CR version of CURIEs

15:31:03 <oedipus> TOPIC: Timescale for XHTML2

6. Timescale for XHTML2

15:31:16 <oedipus> draft roadmap for XHTML2 for discussion

draft roadmap for XHTML2 for discussion

15:31:16 <oedipus> Latest Draft(s)    : 2002-08 [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/]

Latest Draft(s) : 2002-08 [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/]

15:31:16 <oedipus> Last Editor's Draft: 2007-10-24 [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/]

Last Editor's Draft: 2007-10-24 [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/]

15:31:16 <oedipus> Last Call          : 2009-03

Last Call : 2009-03

15:31:16 <oedipus> CR                 : 2009-09

CR : 2009-09

15:31:17 <oedipus> PR                 : 2009-12

PR : 2009-12

15:31:19 <oedipus> REC                : 2010-03

REC : 2010-03

15:32:08 <oedipus> RM: have talked about LC for XHTML2 for 2009-03 -- will we try and do another draft before next call

Roland Merrick: have talked about LC for XHTML2 for 2009-03 -- will we try and do another draft before next call

15:32:10 <oedipus> SM: yes

Shane McCarron: yes

15:32:24 <oedipus> RM: estimated date? can we get done before december?

Roland Merrick: estimated date? can we get done before december?

15:32:36 <oedipus> SM: plate cleared for XHTML2

Shane McCarron: plate cleared for XHTML2

15:32:47 <oedipus> SM: big document, please re-read

Shane McCarron: big document, please re-read

15:33:01 <oedipus> RM: shoot for new draft this year; draft to review 2 weeks from today

Roland Merrick: shoot for new draft this year; draft to review 2 weeks from today

15:33:58 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes

ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes

15:33:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-39 - - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03].

15:34:10 <oedipus> SP: next face 2 face?

Steven Pemberton: next face 2 face?

15:34:16 <oedipus> RM: february 2009

Roland Merrick: february 2009

15:34:36 <oedipus> RM: should allow us to go through document and make decisions during february meeting; next face2face devoted to XHTML2

Roland Merrick: should allow us to go through document and make decisions during february meeting; next face2face devoted to XHTML2

15:34:56 <oedipus> RESOLVED: next face2face (february 2009) will be dedicated to review and discussion of XHTML2

RESOLVED: next face2face (february 2009) will be dedicated to review and discussion of XHTML2

15:35:11 <oedipus> SP: 3 months of CR is optomistic

Steven Pemberton: 3 months of CR is optimistic

15:35:32 <oedipus> s/optomistic/optimistic
15:35:54 <oedipus> SP: CR at 2009-06 have more time for implementation work

Steven Pemberton: CR at 2009-06 have more time for implementation work

15:36:19 <oedipus> RESOLVED: change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06

RESOLVED: change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06

15:36:38 <oedipus> SP: @href everywhere and @src everywhere biggest changes

Steven Pemberton: @href everywhere and @src everywhere biggest changes

15:36:55 <oedipus> SP: saw somewhere a javascript implementation of @href everywhere

Steven Pemberton: saw somewhere a javascript implementation of @href everywhere

15:37:12 <oedipus> RM: will amend WG roadmap on WG page

Roland Merrick: will amend WG roadmap on WG page

15:38:33 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html

15:38:46 <oedipus> TOPIC: XML Events 2

7. XML Events 2

15:38:49 <Roland> Topic: XML Events 2

8. XML Events 2

15:39:12 <oedipus> RM: replied to comment

Roland Merrick: replied to comment

15:39:36 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html

15:39:47 <oedipus> RM reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0020.html

RM reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0020.html

15:40:22 <ShaneM> I obviously think the summary is perfect.

Shane McCarron: I obviously think the summary is perfect.

15:40:39 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to RM's suggestion: "I think you have accurately summarised the discussion. I agree that the sentiment seemed to be that we make DOM 2 the baseline for our requirement and that we would expect that DOM 3 will be compatible with DOM 2 so that we define XE 2 such that it works on either and does not require new features of DOM 3"

Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to RM's suggestion: "I think you have accurately summarised the discussion. I agree that the sentiment seemed to be that we make DOM 2 the baseline for our requirement and that we would expect that DOM 3 will be compatible with DOM 2 so that we define XE 2 such that it works on either and does not require new features of DOM 3"

15:41:17 <oedipus> RM: dependency on DOM3 shaky - what do we want from DOM3 events that we can't get from DOM2?  would it make implementations more difficult?

Roland Merrick: dependency on DOM3 shaky - what do we want from DOM3 events that we can't get from DOM2? would it make implementations more difficult?

15:41:36 <oedipus> RM: DOM3 - essential addition: Qnames

Roland Merrick: DOM3 - essential addition: Qnames

15:42:29 <oedipus> RM: don't have direct dependence on Qnames - if they are available, great, but if don't have req for Qnames, can we live without it and set DOM2 as baseline, with assumption that DOM3 superset of DOM2 and would include all that is in DOM2

Roland Merrick: don't have direct dependence on Qnames - if they are available, great, but if don't have req for Qnames, can we live without it and set DOM2 as baseline, with assumption that DOM3 superset of DOM2 and would include all that is in DOM2

15:42:32 <oedipus> SP: sounds good

Steven Pemberton: sounds good

15:43:05 <oedipus> RM: agreement that DOM2 basis to work with?

Roland Merrick: agreement that DOM2 basis to work with?

15:43:22 <oedipus> SP: using DOM3 because in pipleline - nothing in processing model of DOM3 we need not in DOM2

Steven Pemberton: using DOM3 because in pipleline - nothing in processing model of DOM3 we need not in DOM2

15:43:28 <oedipus> RM: conclusion we came to last week

Roland Merrick: conclusion we came to last week

15:43:53 <oedipus> RM: change XML Events 2 to say "DOM2 and later"

Roland Merrick: change XML Events 2 to say "DOM2 and later"

15:44:23 <oedipus> SP: need to report this to HTCG (hypertext coordination group) - this is the sort of change that may or may not affect other groups, should notify them

Steven Pemberton: need to report this to HTCG (hypertext coordination group) - this is the sort of change that may or may not affect other groups, should notify them

15:44:35 <oedipus> RM: note to HTC?

Roland Merrick: note to HTC?

15:45:05 <oedipus> ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2

ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2

15:45:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - - notify HTC of change of verbiage to \"DOM2 or later\" in XML Events 2  [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-40 - - notify HTC of change of verbiage to \"DOM2 or later\" in XML Events 2 [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-12-03].

15:45:17 <oedipus> RM: other topics?

Roland Merrick: other topics?

15:45:35 <oedipus> RM: for those celebrating holiday, happy holiday

Roland Merrick: for those celebrating holiday, happy holiday

15:45:36 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

15:45:37 <Zakim> -Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland

15:45:38 <oedipus> ADJOURN

ADJOURN

15:45:39 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:45:47 <Zakim> -mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling

15:45:50 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita

Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita

15:45:51 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended

15:45:53 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, [IPcaller], Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, Roland, mgylling

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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-actions.rdf :

15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [1]

ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [1]

15:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-03-17

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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [2]

ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [2]

15:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-19-12

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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [3]

ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [3]

15:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-23-13

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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [4]

ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [4]

15:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-33-58

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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2  [5]

ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 [5]

15:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-45-05

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