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14:37:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:37:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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14:37:57 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:37:57 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2008
14:38:44 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0012.html
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14:39:50 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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14:42:58 <Roland> Zakim, aaaa is Tina
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14:42:58 <Zakim> +Tina; got it
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14:44:05 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:45:09 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:45:13 <Roland> Regrets: Steven
14:45:14 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
14:45:27 <oedipus> RS: regrets from Steven who is sick
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14:45:32 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:45:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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14:46:19 <oedipus> TOPIC: Agenda Review, News and New Items
14:47:15 <markbirbeck> on my way...just be a minute...
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14:47:22 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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14:47:27 <alessio> hi all :)
Alessio Cartocci: hi all :) ←
14:47:55 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
14:48:15 <oedipus> SM: disposition of comments for Access and Role are done and are up - just updated today
Shane McCarron: disposition of comments for Access and Role are done and are up - just updated today ←
14:48:23 <oedipus> RM: all necessary to move forward
Roland Merrick: all necessary to move forward ←
14:48:35 <oedipus> SM: for Access and Role, yes; CURIEs already in process
Shane McCarron: for Access and Role, yes; CURIEs already in process ←
14:48:58 <oedipus> TOPIC: State of Documents/Deliverables
14:49:16 <alessio> Tina, I'm just writing a post for italian community about your XHTML article on "The Developer’s Archive"
Alessio Cartocci: Tina, I'm just writing a post for italian community about your XHTML article on "The Developer’s Archive" ←
14:49:25 <oedipus> RM: SP sent transition requests; nothing scheduled yet as for publication; waiting for commm team
Roland Merrick: SP sent transition requests; nothing scheduled yet as for publication; waiting for commm team ←
14:49:28 <Tina> alessio: excellent. Thank you.
Alessio Cartocci: excellent. Thank you. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
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14:50:04 <oedipus> RM: Role and Access Modules in same state; WG voted to forward; drafts ready and disposition of comments are also ready
Roland Merrick: Role and Access Modules in same state; WG voted to forward; drafts ready and disposition of comments are also ready ←
14:50:06 <alessio> zakim, ??P22 is Alessio
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14:50:06 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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14:50:23 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - request CR Transition for Role Module
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14:50:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - - request CR Transition for Role Module [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-26].
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14:50:39 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - request CR transition for Access Module
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14:50:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - - request CR transition for Access Module [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-11-26].
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14:50:45 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minute
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14:51:13 <oedipus> Topic: XML Events 2 progress towards last call
14:51:21 <oedipus> zakim, who is here?
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14:51:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Tina, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio
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14:51:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, rpgfan3233, oedipus, markbirbeck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, trackbot
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14:51:49 <oedipus> RM: WG voted to send XML Events 2 to LC
Roland Merrick: WG voted to send XML Events 2 to LC ←
14:51:59 <oedipus> RM: any comments on Events document?
Roland Merrick: any comments on Events document? ←
14:52:33 <oedipus> RM: do we need to resolve outstanding actions?
Roland Merrick: do we need to resolve outstanding actions? ←
14:52:48 <oedipus> RM: Action 1 is first: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/1
Roland Merrick: ACTION-1 is first: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/1 ←
14:52:49 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/1
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/1 ←
14:52:50 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
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14:52:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
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14:53:02 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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14:53:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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14:53:06 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to update XML Events 2 draft so it has a diff mark to previous public working draft AND to the previous recommendation
ACTION: Shane to update XML Events 2 draft so it has a diff mark to previous public working draft AND to the previous recommendation ←
14:53:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Update XML Events 2 draft so it has a diff mark to previous public working draft AND to the previous recommendation [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-26].
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14:53:31 <Zakim> +??P20
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14:53:36 <oedipus> RM: only way can write need to be done before any other event fired - does it make significant difference for last call?
Roland Merrick: only way can write need to be done before any other event fired - does it make significant difference for last call? ←
14:53:38 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??
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14:54:04 <oedipus> SM: be ok to put in comment perhaps -- not an open issue - not from reviewer -- WG not sure if on right track
Shane McCarron: be ok to put in comment perhaps -- not an open issue - not from reviewer -- WG not sure if on right track ←
14:54:20 <oedipus> RM: could put in as comment that welcome feedback on that particular statement
Roland Merrick: could put in as comment that welcome feedback on that particular statement ←
14:54:24 <oedipus> AC: agree
Alessio Cartocci: agree ←
14:54:49 <oedipus> RM: reviewing actions on me: action 1 "- write to DOM3 guys on when registration will occur and when events can be fired; coordinate deeper discussion"
Roland Merrick: reviewing actions on me: ACTION-1 "- write to DOM3 guys on when registration will occur and when events can be fired; coordinate deeper discussion" ←
14:55:13 <oedipus> RM: can we put comment into spec saying welcome feedback on timing or do we need something more definitive
Roland Merrick: can we put comment into spec saying welcome feedback on timing or do we need something more definitive ←
14:55:29 <oedipus> MB: something we raised ourselves;
Mark Birbeck: something we raised ourselves; ←
14:55:46 <oedipus> RM: action on me was to open dialog on subject with DOM3 people
Roland Merrick: action on me was to open dialog on subject with DOM3 people ←
14:56:21 <oedipus> RM: another topic - DOM3 going to LC by end of first quarter of next year; should re-examine to ensure XML Events work in DOM2 and DOM3
Roland Merrick: another topic - DOM3 going to LC by end of first quarter of next year; should re-examine to ensure XML Events work in DOM2 and DOM3 ←
14:56:47 <oedipus> SM: isn't that the issue: we need qnames, and if so, we need DOM3 Events?
Shane McCarron: isn't that the issue: we need qnames, and if so, we need DOM3 Events? ←
14:57:05 <oedipus> MB: could do mapping at implementation layer; DOM2 doesn't have qnames, but layer on top could
Mark Birbeck: could do mapping at implementation layer; DOM2 doesn't have qnames, but layer on top could ←
14:57:20 <oedipus> RM: do we need qnames - if have event with qnames, can use, if not, then don't use
Roland Merrick: do we need qnames - if have event with qnames, can use, if not, then don't use ←
14:57:38 <oedipus> SM: do you believe that DOM2 events permit the definition of arbitrary events
Shane McCarron: do you believe that DOM2 events permit the definition of arbitrary events ←
14:57:42 <oedipus> MB: those with colon?
Mark Birbeck: those with colon? ←
14:57:55 <oedipus> SM: in general - defined collection of event tokens that can't be extended
Shane McCarron: in general - defined collection of event tokens that can't be extended ←
14:58:03 <oedipus> RM: did that with XML Events 1
Roland Merrick: did that with XML Events 1 ←
14:58:20 <oedipus> SM: can you put colon in name - i say no because is a token
Shane McCarron: can you put colon in name - i say no because is a token ←
14:58:59 <oedipus> MB: one way to go is to follow RM's lead - depends on architecture which to use; if use DOM2, qnames not supported (should be explicitly stated)
Mark Birbeck: one way to go is to follow RM's lead - depends on architecture which to use; if use DOM2, qnames not supported (should be explicitly stated) ←
14:59:11 <oedipus> SM: needed to write portable documents
Shane McCarron: needed to write portable documents ←
14:59:38 <oedipus> MB: could map it
Mark Birbeck: could map it ←
14:59:42 <oedipus> SM: how would approach?
Shane McCarron: how would approach? ←
15:00:25 <oedipus> MB: XML Events 2 layer is goig to have to have sub-code written to have calls made to DOM2 or DOM3 -- something underneath, core code, will have to do registration of events
Mark Birbeck: XML Events 2 layer is goig to have to have sub-code written to have calls made to DOM2 or DOM3 -- something underneath, core code, will have to do registration of events ←
15:00:46 <oedipus> MB: given system self-contained xyz:event mapped to xyz_event no one would be any the wiser
Mark Birbeck: given system self-contained xyz:event mapped to xyz_event no one would be any the wiser ←
15:00:48 <oedipus> SM: ok
Shane McCarron: ok ←
15:01:25 <oedipus> MB: self-contained system; weak point - XForms has xforms-submit but can't have xf:submit then
Mark Birbeck: self-contained system; weak point - XForms has xforms-submit but can't have xf:submit then ←
15:02:00 <oedipus> SM: MB's approach clean - have to put in normative requirement on DOM2 events, and no normative req on DOM3 events; problem of timing; can't rely on DOM3
Shane McCarron: MB's approach clean - have to put in normative requirement on DOM2 events, and no normative req on DOM3 events; problem of timing; can't rely on DOM3 ←
15:02:13 <oedipus> MB: we don't have to do mapping; implementation does it
Mark Birbeck: we don't have to do mapping; implementation does it ←
15:02:23 <oedipus> SM: "must behave as if..." is all that is needed
Shane McCarron: "must behave as if..." is all that is needed ←
15:02:50 <oedipus> SM: implementations based on DOM2 events MUST behave as if specified by qnames; the exact method is implementation-defined
Shane McCarron: implementations based on DOM2 events MUST behave as if specified by qnames; the exact method is implementation-defined ←
15:02:58 <oedipus> MB: ok
Mark Birbeck: ok ←
15:03:05 <oedipus> SM: where in spec to put comment?
Shane McCarron: where in spec to put comment? ←
15:03:20 <oedipus> SM: think needs to be in definition of event attribute
Shane McCarron: think needs to be in definition of event attribute ←
15:03:33 <oedipus> RM: agree - in Events part of spec
Roland Merrick: agree - in Events part of spec ←
15:03:42 <alessio> +1
Alessio Cartocci: +1 ←
15:03:45 <oedipus> SM: listener elements and DOM3 Event Mutation
Shane McCarron: listener elements and DOM3 Event Mutation ←
15:04:27 <oedipus> SM: does DOM3 have all interfaces we are exposing? all subjects in handler module and bubbling stuff - default target, etc. -- 4 potential phases in DOM2 - have to clarify situation vis a vis DOM3
Shane McCarron: does DOM3 have all interfaces we are exposing? all subjects in handler module and bubbling stuff - default target, etc. -- 4 potential phases in DOM2 - have to clarify situation vis a vis DOM3 ←
15:04:57 <oedipus> SM: phases is ok -- we define what each term means in the spec
Shane McCarron: phases is ok -- we define what each term means in the spec ←
15:05:13 <oedipus> MB: one level up events are ok
Mark Birbeck: one level up events are ok ←
15:05:46 <oedipus> SM: others of interests: DispatchEvents, etc. - those are our definitions; style propagation and prevent default already in DOM2
Shane McCarron: others of interests: DispatchEvents, etc. - those are our definitions; style propagation and prevent default already in DOM2 ←
15:06:09 <oedipus> MB: on DOM3 question, are they still considering using qnames?
Mark Birbeck: on DOM3 question, are they still considering using qnames? ←
15:06:41 <oedipus> RM: yes, although faction oppose
Roland Merrick: yes, although faction oppose ←
15:07:02 <oedipus> SM: interestingly, the last draft of DOM3 Events, from 2007, doesn't contain term qname
Shane McCarron: interestingly, the last draft of DOM3 Events, from 2007, doesn't contain term qname ←
15:07:21 <oedipus> SM: does have NamespaceURI as attribute
Shane McCarron: does have NamespaceURI as attribute ←
15:07:28 <oedipus> SM: don't use qualified name either
Shane McCarron: don't use qualified name either ←
15:07:44 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/events.html#Events-Event
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/events.html#Events-Event ←
15:08:23 <oedipus> SM: events interface in DOM3 defines addEventListener and addEventListenerNS - that is interesting and shows way towards mapping; if interface like this, no mapping needed, if not, know what to do
Shane McCarron: events interface in DOM3 defines addEventListener and addEventListenerNS - that is interesting and shows way towards mapping; if interface like this, no mapping needed, if not, know what to do ←
15:09:01 <oedipus> MB: by spliting namespace out into seperate property and not using qnames, trying to ensure baackwards compatibility -- use local name, may not be namespace present
Mark Birbeck: by spliting namespace out into seperate property and not using qnames, trying to ensure baackwards compatibility -- use local name, may not be namespace present ←
15:09:09 <oedipus> MB: should we be doing the same
Mark Birbeck: should we be doing the same ←
15:09:18 <oedipus> SM: not needed for our users
Shane McCarron: not needed for our users ←
15:09:41 <oedipus> MB: assuming that using qnames is more convenient than using 2 attributes, one with namespace and one with type
Mark Birbeck: assuming that using qnames is more convenient than using 2 attributes, one with namespace and one with type ←
15:10:02 <oedipus> SM: namespace prefix going may be used hundreds of times -- burden on author
Shane McCarron: namespace prefix going may be used hundreds of times -- burden on author ←
15:10:10 <oedipus> SM: foo:bar implies a namespace
Shane McCarron: foo:bar implies a namespace ←
15:10:34 <oedipus> MB: does imply that alogrithm foo:bar becoming foo_bar is wrong; in DOM2 becomes just bar
Mark Birbeck: does imply that alogrithm foo:bar becoming foo_bar is wrong; in DOM2 becomes just bar ←
15:10:54 <oedipus> MB: initEvent method receives bar; if eventsNS receive bar plus the foo
Mark Birbeck: initEvent method receives bar; if eventsNS receive bar plus the foo ←
15:11:30 <oedipus> MB: note needs to state: be careful, if use DOM2 foo will be ignorned and foo:bar and foo_bar will map to same event
Mark Birbeck: note needs to state: be careful, if use DOM2 foo will be ignorned and foo:bar and foo_bar will map to same event ←
15:12:06 <oedipus> SM: approach might work, but could also say - if ontop of DOM2, should treat foo:bar and bar identically
Shane McCarron: approach might work, but could also say - if ontop of DOM2, should treat foo:bar and bar identically ←
15:12:22 <oedipus> MB: 2 methods: one with namespace property and one without
Mark Birbeck: 2 methods: one with namespace property and one without ←
15:12:33 <oedipus> SM: latest editor's draft?
Shane McCarron: latest editor's draft? ←
15:13:39 <oedipus> SM: define spec on our side that allows our constituents to write applications; no idea what underlying implementation is
Shane McCarron: define spec on our side that allows our constituents to write applications; no idea what underlying implementation is ←
15:13:48 <oedipus> RM: DOMHasFeature will tell you that
Roland Merrick: DOMHasFeature will tell you that ←
15:14:03 <oedipus> SM: XML Events 2 not scripting, but declarative through use of handlers
Shane McCarron: XML Events 2 not scripting, but declarative through use of handlers ←
15:14:25 <oedipus> SM: can't serve diff documents depending upon underlying document type -- at least, i wouldn't want to
Shane McCarron: can't serve diff documents depending upon underlying document type -- at least, i wouldn't want to ←
15:15:07 <oedipus> MB: what is use of qnames -- in local files, defining my events, don't need qnames; become useful when people write specs xf:done
Mark Birbeck: what is use of qnames -- in local files, defining my events, don't need qnames; become useful when people write specs xf:done ←
15:15:18 <oedipus> SM: good point;
Shane McCarron: good point; ←
15:15:34 <oedipus> MB: author has control of document
Mark Birbeck: author has control of document ←
15:15:39 <oedipus> SM: sometimes
Shane McCarron: sometimes ←
15:15:55 <oedipus> MB: use qualified names with multiple markup
Mark Birbeck: use qualified names with multiple markup ←
15:16:10 <oedipus> SM: if constituency is basic author, not going to use qnames for own events
Shane McCarron: if constituency is basic author, not going to use qnames for own events ←
15:16:21 <oedipus> RM: this is language-designer concern only?
Roland Merrick: this is language-designer concern only? ←
15:16:39 <oedipus> SM: do we want to tell users "don't use qnames for your own defined events"
Shane McCarron: do we want to tell users "don't use qnames for your own defined events" ←
15:16:58 <oedipus> SM: "If you use qualified names, in some implementations, they may collide"
Shane McCarron: "If you use qualified names, in some implementations, they may collide" ←
15:17:40 <oedipus> MB: not convinced there is a perfect solution to this; what is it that DOM3 event designers seeing when took this approach; AJAX library fires event when initialized and make dojo:done - can i register that?
Mark Birbeck: not convinced there is a perfect solution to this; what is it that DOM3 event designers seeing when took this approach; AJAX library fires event when initialized and make dojo:done - can i register that? ←
15:17:56 <oedipus> MB: perhaps dojo:done should be different that yahoo:done
Mark Birbeck: perhaps dojo:done should be different that yahoo:done ←
15:18:08 <oedipus> RM: how do we move forward? next steps?
Roland Merrick: how do we move forward? next steps? ←
15:18:38 <oedipus> MB: need to ascertain from DOM what were thinking - can attach event with one technique and can fire event with another
Mark Birbeck: need to ascertain from DOM what were thinking - can attach event with one technique and can fire event with another ←
15:18:46 <oedipus> MB: what is effect we are attempting to achieve
Mark Birbeck: what is effect we are attempting to achieve ←
15:19:06 <oedipus> MB: at script level could register event using AddEventListenerNS
Mark Birbeck: at script level could register event using AddEventListenerNS ←
15:19:59 <oedipus> MB: also generic AddEventListener - if author writes DOM2 code to register event, another author may write a DOM3 firing of event using different methods; may be why said xyz_bar same as foo:bar
Mark Birbeck: also generic AddEventListener - if author writes DOM2 code to register event, another author may write a DOM3 firing of event using different methods; may be why said xyz_bar same as foo:bar ←
15:20:19 <oedipus> MB: doesn't bring us any closer to next step, though...
Mark Birbeck: doesn't bring us any closer to next step, though... ←
15:20:52 <oedipus> RM: perhaps have to step back and ask question: "Do we think we should accomodate DOM2 events or move forward and use DOM3 events"
Roland Merrick: perhaps have to step back and ask question: "Do we think we should accomodate DOM2 events or move forward and use DOM3 events" ←
15:21:00 <oedipus> RM: should we tie ourselves to DOM3?
Roland Merrick: should we tie ourselves to DOM3? ←
15:21:40 <oedipus> MB: i would no, interim step here -- XForms uses DOM2 events, ended up with if and for which migrated to XML Events
Mark Birbeck: i would no, interim step here -- XForms uses DOM2 events, ended up with if and for which migrated to XML Events ←
15:22:36 <oedipus> MB: reason for qnames addition, was to support future when DOM3 finalized; follow evolution of DOM2 events into DOM3 -- if can't figure out solution, should leave out qnames for now -- would not want to be tied to DOM3 Events because may not be done for 4 years
Mark Birbeck: reason for qnames addition, was to support future when DOM3 finalized; follow evolution of DOM2 events into DOM3 -- if can't figure out solution, should leave out qnames for now -- would not want to be tied to DOM3 Events because may not be done for 4 years ←
15:22:50 <oedipus> RM: other thoughts?
Roland Merrick: other thoughts? ←
15:23:26 <oedipus> SM: can go back to DOM2 Events; could potentially provide guidance - intent to support qnames via DOM3 Events in future, and devs might want to keep that in mind
Shane McCarron: can go back to DOM2 Events; could potentially provide guidance - intent to support qnames via DOM3 Events in future, and devs might want to keep that in mind ←
15:23:45 <oedipus> SM: unfortunate Steven not here; would like to hear his input before make decision
Shane McCarron: unfortunate Steven not here; would like to hear his input before make decision ←
15:23:53 <alessio> true
Alessio Cartocci: true ←
15:24:05 <oedipus> RM: thinking about the issues won't harm us, only benefit us
Roland Merrick: thinking about the issues won't harm us, only benefit us ←
15:24:48 <oedipus> RM: soften question about DOM3 - should support DOM3, but requiring DOM3 different; capable of supporting DOM3 in compatability mode from earlier versions
Roland Merrick: soften question about DOM3 - should support DOM3, but requiring DOM3 different; capable of supporting DOM3 in compatability mode from earlier versions ←
15:25:09 <oedipus> RM: add new features from capability point of view; can support some DOM3 features when deployed
Roland Merrick: add new features from capability point of view; can support some DOM3 features when deployed ←
15:25:27 <oedipus> SM: like that story-line -- trying to get XML Events 2 deployed now
Shane McCarron: like that story-line -- trying to get XML Events 2 deployed now ←
15:26:15 <oedipus> RM: entire WG should take time to review this -- anyone want to write up proposal and send to mailing list to capture the position we reached today, then revisit at call in 2 week's time
Roland Merrick: entire WG should take time to review this -- anyone want to write up proposal and send to mailing list to capture the position we reached today, then revisit at call in 2 week's time ←
15:26:24 <oedipus> [complete silence]
[complete silence] ←
15:26:36 <oedipus> RM: anyone want to try and summarize where we just go to?
Roland Merrick: anyone want to try and summarize where we just go to? ←
15:26:42 <oedipus> SM: can do in an email
Shane McCarron: can do in an email ←
15:26:45 <oedipus> RM: thanks, shane
Roland Merrick: thanks, shane ←
15:26:59 <oedipus> TOPIC: Upcoming Calls
15:27:10 <oedipus> RM: next week is thanksgiving - will there be enough attendees?
Roland Merrick: next week is thanksgiving - will there be enough attendees? ←
15:27:13 <oedipus> SM: available
Shane McCarron: available ←
15:27:17 <oedipus> TH: available
Tina Holmboe: available ←
15:27:19 <oedipus> AC: no
Alessio Cartocci: yes ←
15:27:21 <oedipus> MB: no
Mark Birbeck: no ←
15:27:23 <oedipus> GJR: yes
Gregory Rosmaita: yes ←
15:27:33 <oedipus> s/AC: no/AC: yes
15:27:37 <alessio> :)
Alessio Cartocci: :) ←
15:27:38 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:28:05 <oedipus> RM: i will - SP has actions to clear before he takes off in december - will ask him to clear as much as can before december
Roland Merrick: i will - SP has actions to clear before he takes off in december - will ask him to clear as much as can before december ←
15:28:33 <oedipus> RM: leave decision on DOM2 and DOM3 to meeting 2 weeks from today - Mark will you be here?
Roland Merrick: leave decision on DOM2 and DOM3 to meeting 2 weeks from today - Mark will you be here? ←
15:28:42 <oedipus> MB: no, unavailable
Mark Birbeck: no, unavailable ←
15:28:56 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to write a quick summary of the position w.r.t. DOM2 vs. DOM3 in XML Events 2
ACTION: Shane to write a quick summary of the position w.r.t. DOM2 vs. DOM3 in XML Events 2 ←
15:28:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Write a quick summary of the position w.r.t. DOM2 vs. DOM3 in XML Events 2 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-33 - Write a quick summary of the position w.r.t. DOM2 vs. DOM3 in XML Events 2 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-11-26]. ←
15:29:01 <oedipus> RM: can you make sure you get your views and opinions onto emailing list so can make decision
Roland Merrick: can you make sure you get your views and opinions onto emailing list so can make decision ←
15:29:03 <oedipus> MB: yes
Mark Birbeck: yes ←
15:29:21 <oedipus> TOPIC: Roadmap for XHTML2
15:29:37 <oedipus> RM: gregory been pushing; believe agreed should get new draft out; what were we waiting for
Roland Merrick: gregory been pushing; believe agreed should get new draft out; what were we waiting for ←
15:29:42 <oedipus> SM: editing cycles
Shane McCarron: editing cycles ←
15:29:55 <oedipus> RM: like to get to LC by end of first quarter of next year?
Roland Merrick: like to get to LC by end of first quarter of next year? ←
15:30:07 <oedipus> SM: a year ago was next public draft would be LC --
Shane McCarron: a year ago was next public draft would be LC -- ←
15:30:26 <oedipus> RM: think at june f2f decided to publish public draft
Roland Merrick: think at june f2f decided to publish public draft ←
15:30:31 <oedipus> SM: need to get to it
Shane McCarron: need to get to it ←
15:30:54 <oedipus> RM: when can we get a draft out? by moritorium - next month
Roland Merrick: when can we get a draft out? by moritorium - next month ←
15:30:58 <oedipus> SM: moritorium?
Shane McCarron: moritorium? ←
15:31:07 <oedipus> RM: normally one during holiday period
Roland Merrick: normally one during holiday period ←
15:31:18 <oedipus> RM: can we get another draft by 2 weeks
Roland Merrick: can we get another draft by 2 weeks ←
15:31:45 <oedipus> SM: everything else done, so have more time to work on XHTML2 and XML Events
Shane McCarron: everything else done, so have more time to work on XHTML2 and XML Events ←
15:32:12 <oedipus> RM: will try and draft a roadmap for XHTML2 that we can then discuss as to its reasonableness at next week's call
Roland Merrick: will try and draft a roadmap for XHTML2 that we can then discuss as to its reasonableness at next week's call ←
15:32:39 <oedipus> ACTION: Roland - draft roadmap for XHTML2 to discuss reasonableness at next call
ACTION: Roland - draft roadmap for XHTML2 to discuss reasonableness at next call ←
15:32:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - - draft roadmap for XHTML2 to discuss reasonableness at next call [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-11-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-34 - - draft roadmap for XHTML2 to discuss reasonableness at next call [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-11-26]. ←
15:33:16 <oedipus> TOPIC: ????
XHTML Mime ←
15:33:27 <oedipus> SM: addressed all of opera's issues; ready to go
Shane McCarron: addressed all of opera's issues; ready to go ←
15:34:05 <oedipus> s/TOPIC: ????/XHTML Mime
15:34:22 <oedipus> SM: have a free weekend, so expect to get work done
Shane McCarron: have a free weekend, so expect to get work done ←
15:34:30 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:34:41 <oedipus> TOPIC: Lingering Items
15:35:06 <oedipus> RM: PERs for 1.1 (dependent upon having new note on mime); continue with modularization
Roland Merrick: PERs for 1.1 (dependent upon having new note on mime); continue with modularization ←
15:35:39 <oedipus> SM: all done -- PERs ready - just need date; depends on whether can get CR stuff in and if can do anything when steven gone for a month
Shane McCarron: all done -- PERs ready - just need date; depends on whether can get CR stuff in and if can do anything when steven gone for a month ←
15:35:50 <oedipus> RM: i will discuss PERs with steven
Roland Merrick: i will discuss PERs with steven ←
15:36:15 <oedipus> SM: happy to have meeting with RM and SP to come up with work plan for December
Shane McCarron: happy to have meeting with RM and SP to come up with work plan for December ←
15:36:25 <oedipus> TOPIC: Action Item Review
15:36:37 <oedipus> SM: action 4 - replying to forms content on access module
Shane McCarron: ACTION-4 - replying to forms content on access module ←
15:36:41 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/4
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/4 ←
15:37:10 <oedipus> SM: replied formally to TAG on 18 October 2008; not acknowledged; think can close with a "no response"
Shane McCarron: replied formally to TAG on 18 October 2008; not acknowledged; think can close with a "no response" ←
15:37:43 <oedipus> RM: MarkB, could you bring this up in XForms call?
Roland Merrick: MarkB, could you bring this up in XForms call? ←
15:38:55 <oedipus> ACTION: Mark - ask XForms about Access Module concerns
ACTION: Mark - ask XForms about Access Module concerns ←
15:38:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - - ask XForms about Access Module concerns [on Mark Birbeck - due 2008-11-26].
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15:39:43 <ShaneM> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2008Oct/0011.html
Shane McCarron: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2008Oct/0011.html ←
15:39:46 <oedipus> SM: may not have been responded because didn't submit LC to right list - sent to www-html not to our either of public lists
Shane McCarron: may not have been responded because didn't submit LC to right list - sent to www-html not to our either of public lists ←
15:40:00 <oedipus> SM: Mark, please ask them to look at the post referenced above
Shane McCarron: Mark, please ask them to look at the post referenced above ←
15:40:14 <oedipus> SM: with respect to action 4 will put in link to related email, but think should close
Shane McCarron: with respect to ACTION-4 will put in link to related email, but think should close ←
15:40:25 <oedipus> RM: agree - action was to reply
Roland Merrick: agree - action was to reply ←
15:41:13 <oedipus> TH: issue on roadmap - 4 different types of list comment
Tina Holmboe: issue on roadmap - 4 different types of list comment ←
15:41:18 <oedipus> RM: can we clear in 5 minutes
Roland Merrick: can we clear in 5 minutes ←
15:41:53 <oedipus> TH: initial reaction is to suggest that we say "thank you for your opinion, but we don't agree with you" don't think should go from specific set of elements to generic set of elements
Tina Holmboe: initial reaction is to suggest that we say "thank you for your opinion, but we don't agree with you" don't think should go from specific set of elements to generic set of elements ←
15:42:10 <oedipus> RM: last week we said we had 4; feeling was 3 is good, but is NL necessary
Roland Merrick: last week we said we had 4; feeling was 3 is good, but is NL necessary ←
15:42:14 <oedipus> TH: need more, not less
Tina Holmboe: need more, not less ←
15:42:31 <oedipus> TH: NL is a generic list of links with specific semantics which UL doesn't have
Tina Holmboe: NL is a generic list of links with specific semantics which UL doesn't have ←
15:42:58 <oedipus> RM: could use any of other 3 list types with role="navigation"
Roland Merrick: could use any of other 3 list types with role="navigation" ←
15:43:38 <oedipus> SM: NL implies certain behavior and certain semantics about content; NL implies orderedness that UL does not, and OL is inappropriate construct for navigation
Shane McCarron: NL implies certain behavior and certain semantics about content; NL implies orderedness that UL does not, and OL is inappropriate construct for navigation ←
15:43:45 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 on keeping NL
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 on keeping NL ←
15:44:03 <_alessio> +1 too
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Unknown _alessio: +1 too ←
15:44:24 <oedipus> MB: don't like NL -- my problem is why stop at NL, why not video list -- ability to turn anything into hyperlink in XHTML2 hard to figure out the semantics;
Mark Birbeck: don't like NL -- my problem is why stop at NL, why not video list -- ability to turn anything into hyperlink in XHTML2 hard to figure out the semantics; ←
15:44:41 <oedipus> MB: understand why added NL, but think that role made superfluous
Mark Birbeck: understand why added NL, but think that role made superfluous ←
15:45:13 <oedipus> TH: semantics, traditionally, has been placed in element type name; UL, OL, DL, and generic list with role="navigation"
Tina Holmboe: semantics, traditionally, has been placed in element type name; UL, OL, DL, and generic list with role="navigation" ←
15:45:19 <oedipus> MB: what is generic list?
Mark Birbeck: what is generic list? ←
15:45:25 <oedipus> SM: not thinking of adding generic list
Shane McCarron: not thinking of adding generic list ←
15:45:46 <oedipus> MB: either use semantics to clarify lists (people tend to use @class to do that)
Mark Birbeck: either use semantics to clarify lists (people tend to use @class to do that) ←
15:45:50 <Roland_> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-nav-element
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-nav-element ←
15:46:06 <oedipus> RM: HTML5 dealt with this with nav element
Roland Merrick: HTML5 dealt with this with nav element ←
15:46:42 <oedipus> TH: like to see "inline list", but need to look at our philosophy; strictly speaking could end up with 1 element and 3 attributes; big step away from precedent
Tina Holmboe: like to see "inline list", but need to look at our philosophy; strictly speaking could end up with 1 element and 3 attributes; big step away from precedent ←
15:47:49 <oedipus> MB: guiding prinicple of XHTML2 is "less is more" -- do talk about not having just DIVs and SPANs, but ensuring hooks in language so that people can add own semantics - that's what @role introduced;
Mark Birbeck: guiding prinicple of XHTML2 is "less is more" -- do talk about not having just DIVs and SPANs, but ensuring hooks in language so that people can add own semantics - that's what @role introduced; ←
15:48:09 <oedipus> TH: can extend as needed in XHTML M12n framework - extend XHTML via namespaces
Tina Holmboe: can extend as needed in XHTML M12n framework - extend XHTML via namespaces ←
15:48:19 <_alessio> I'm not against nl but I see some warnings for nested lists
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Unknown _alessio: I'm not against nl but I see some warnings for nested lists ←
15:48:44 <oedipus> MB: you are saying that preferred extension method should be elements; have to write special module for extension
Mark Birbeck: you are saying that preferred extension method should be elements; have to write special module for extension ←
15:48:56 <_alessio> for example what about an unordered list with his role="navigation" inside an nl?
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Unknown _alessio: for example what about an unordered list with his role="navigation" inside an nl? ←
15:49:13 <oedipus> MB: other method is use attributes and allow identifier in there - with role and RDFa used RDF identifiers or URIs to merge with semantic web
Mark Birbeck: other method is use attributes and allow identifier in there - with role and RDFa used RDF identifiers or URIs to merge with semantic web ←
15:49:23 <oedipus> q+
q+ ←
15:49:55 <oedipus> GJR: there are XML derived modules for shipping addresses and such
Gregory Rosmaita: there are XML derived modules for shipping addresses and such ←
15:51:38 <ShaneM> sorry - I have to run
Shane McCarron: sorry - I have to run ←
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15:51:50 <oedipus> RM: need to examine HTML5 additions
Roland Merrick: need to examine HTML5 additions ←
15:51:58 <_alessio> agree
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Unknown _alessio: agree ←
15:52:57 <markbirbeck> bye...have to go to XForms call
Mark Birbeck: bye...have to go to XForms call ←
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15:53:09 <oedipus> RM: good to document philosophy behind XHTML2
Roland Merrick: good to document philosophy behind XHTML2 ←
15:53:17 <oedipus> GJR: good place to start is verbiage in spec
Gregory Rosmaita: good place to start is with the extant Introduction (http:\ ←
15:53:28 <oedipus> TH: can't avoid what authors doing
Tina Holmboe: can't avoid what authors doing ←
15:53:33 <oedipus> RM: need to develop policy
Roland Merrick: need to develop policy ←
15:54:13 <oedipus> RM: should spend time thinking about a policy to apply would be useful
Roland Merrick: should spend time thinking about a policy to apply would be useful ←
15:54:36 <oedipus> RM: prefer do on overall approach on how we deal with issues instead of one-off solutions and ad hoc solutions
Roland Merrick: prefer do on overall approach on how we deal with issues instead of one-off solutions and ad hoc solutions ←
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15:54:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio, markbirbeck
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15:55:14 <_alessio> bye! :)
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Unknown _alessio: bye! :) ←
15:55:24 <oedipus> zakim, please part
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15:57:40 <oedipus> present- +04670855aaaa
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16:00:49 <oedipus> s/good place to start is verbiage in spec/good place to start is with the extant Introduction (http:\/\/www.w3.org\/MarkUp\/2007\/ED-xhtml2-20071024\/introduction.html#s_intro_whatisxhtml2)
16:00:53 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:01:23 <oedipus> s/RS: regrets from/RM: regrets from
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16:01:51 <oedipus> s/good place to start is verbiage in spec/good place to start is with the extant Introduction
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16:02:34 <Tina> oedipus: might be one too many /s in that URI
Gregory Rosmaita: might be one too many /s in that URI [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
16:03:00 <oedipus> tina: yeah, it didn't work, so i just left it at "Introduction" <grin>
Tina Holmboe: yeah, it didn't work, so i just left it at "Introduction" <grin> ←
16:03:10 <Tina> oedipus: mm.
Gregory Rosmaita: mm. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
16:03:29 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/introduction.html#s_intro_whatisxhtml2">
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/introduction.html#s_intro_whatisxhtml2"> ←
16:04:25 <oedipus> tina: the bullet-pointed Design Aims (1.1.1.) is what i quote to people when they ask why XHTML2
Tina Holmboe: the bullet-pointed Design Aims (1.1.1.) is what i quote to people when they ask why XHTML2 ←
16:04:52 <Tina> oedipus: its certainly an interesting list.
Gregory Rosmaita: its certainly an interesting list. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
16:05:27 <oedipus> tina: it is why DAISY wants to use XHTML2 as the basis for the new digital talking book spec
Tina Holmboe: it is why DAISY wants to use XHTML2 as the basis for the new digital talking book spec ←
16:06:12 <oedipus> i've been asked to collaborate on the ZedNext project, as it is code-named, and DAISY's chief technical officer is keen to join the WG
i've been asked to collaborate on the ZedNext project, as it is code-named, and DAISY's chief technical officer is keen to join the WG ←
16:06:16 <Tina> oedipus: I found that an interesting project; thank you for mentioning it.
Gregory Rosmaita: I found that an interesting project; thank you for mentioning it. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
16:06:45 <oedipus> tina: that's what the web/'net's about - sharing what one finds
Tina Holmboe: that's what the web/'net's about - sharing what one finds ←
16:07:01 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
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16:07:01 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - request CR Transition for Role Module [1]
ACTION: Steven - request CR Transition for Role Module [1] ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T14-50-23
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T14-50-23 ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - request CR transition for Access Module [2]
ACTION: Steven - request CR transition for Access Module [2] ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T14-50-39
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T14-50-39 ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update XML Events 2 draft so it has a diff mark to previous public working draft AND to the previous recommendation [3]
ACTION: Shane to update XML Events 2 draft so it has a diff mark to previous public working draft AND to the previous recommendation [3] ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T14-53-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T14-53-06 ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to write a quick summary of the position w.r.t. DOM2 vs. DOM3 in XML Events 2 [4]
ACTION: Shane to write a quick summary of the position w.r.t. DOM2 vs. DOM3 in XML Events 2 [4] ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T15-28-56
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T15-28-56 ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Roland - draft roadmap for XHTML2 to discuss reasonableness at next call [5]
ACTION: Roland - draft roadmap for XHTML2 to discuss reasonableness at next call [5] ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T15-32-39
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T15-32-39 ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark - ask XForms about Access Module concerns [6]
ACTION: Mark - ask XForms about Access Module concerns [6] ←
16:07:01 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T15-38-55
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-irc#T15-38-55 ←
16:07:18 <Tina> oedipus: Mm.
Gregory Rosmaita: Mm. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
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