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Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference

Minutes of 20 August 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0041
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Gregory Rosmaita, Mark Birbeck, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe
Regrets
Roland Merrick, Mark Birbeck
Chair
Steven Pemberton
Scribe
Gregory Rosmaita
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. XHTML2 WG agrees transition RDFa from CR to PR link
  2. add @media to the access module - using text from XHTML 2 link
Topics
13:47:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc

13:47:19 <oedipus> alessio, have i pointed you to http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/RoleAttribute - need to synch with your work on @role for object

Gregory Rosmaita: alessio, have i pointed you to http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/RoleAttribute - need to synch with your work on @role for object

13:47:22 <Steven> zakim, this is xhtml

Steven Pemberton: zakim, this is xhtml

13:47:22 <Zakim> ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

13:47:27 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here?

13:47:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM

13:47:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, ShaneM, Tina, oedipus, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, ShaneM, Tina, oedipus, Steven

13:47:33 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

13:47:33 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

13:47:34 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

13:47:58 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public

13:48:00 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita

Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita

13:48:09 <Zakim> + +04670855aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +04670855aaaa

13:48:10 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:48:21 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:48:28 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Tina

Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is Tina

13:48:28 <Zakim> +Tina; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina; got it

13:48:35 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

13:48:42 <alessio> zakim, ??P9 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P9 is Alessio

13:48:42 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it

13:49:11 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0041
13:49:16 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0041

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0041

13:49:25 <Steven> Regrets: Roland, Mark
13:50:35 <oedipus> zakim, choose a victim

Gregory Rosmaita: zakim, choose a victim

13:50:35 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tina

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tina

13:51:03 <oedipus> scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita

(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)

13:51:13 <oedipus> scribeNick: oedipus
13:51:49 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

13:51:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

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13:52:17 <oedipus> TOPIC: Outstanding Reviews

1. Outstanding Reviews

13:52:35 <oedipus> SP: MarkB just got back from holiday, so will ping him about XSD review later this week

Steven Pemberton: MarkB just got back from holiday, so will ping him about XSD review later this week

13:52:41 <oedipus> SP: important issue today is RDFa

Steven Pemberton: important issue today is RDFa

13:53:01 <oedipus> SP: spec has been in CR - lots of implementations

Steven Pemberton: spec has been in CR - lots of implementations

13:53:14 <oedipus> SP: 4 implementations with everything

Steven Pemberton: 4 implementations with everything

13:53:33 <oedipus> SP: only need 2 for every feature, we have 4; well done, shane

Steven Pemberton: only need 2 for every feature, we have 4; well done, shane

13:53:47 <oedipus> SP: have to decide to send RDFa on to PR status

Steven Pemberton: have to decide to send RDFa on to PR status

13:54:46 <oedipus> SP: handled all CR comments; have discussion with Shane today on a single issue, hopefully after that discussion can move to PR

Steven Pemberton: handled all CR comments; have discussion with Shane today on a single issue, hopefully after that discussion can move to PR

13:54:55 <oedipus> TOPIC: RDFa Transitioning to PR

2. RDFa Transitioning to PR

13:55:20 <oedipus> SM: RDFa defines a module - that module defines collection of attributes

Shane McCarron: RDFa defines a module - that module defines collection of attributes

13:55:20 <Steven> zakim, mute alessio

Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute alessio

13:55:20 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should now be muted

13:55:30 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy?

13:55:39 <oedipus> SM: RDFa also provides an instance of this against XHTML M12n

Shane McCarron: RDFa also provides an instance of this against XHTML M12n

13:55:40 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (73%), Tina (40%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (73%), Tina (40%)

13:55:51 <Steven> zakim, mute tina

Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute tina

13:55:51 <Zakim> Tina should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Tina should now be muted

13:55:57 <Steven> zakim, unmute alessio

Steven Pemberton: zakim, unmute alessio

13:55:57 <Zakim> Alessio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should no longer be muted

13:56:08 <oedipus> SM: problem: way we add attributes is add them to existing attribute collection, the common attribute collection

Shane McCarron: problem: way we add attributes is add them to existing attribute collection, the common attribute collection

13:56:20 <oedipus> SM: handful of elements that don't use the common attribute collection

Shane McCarron: handful of elements that don't use the common attribute collection

13:56:34 <oedipus> SM: is it ok to add attributes by hand in places where common isn't used

Shane McCarron: is it ok to add attributes by hand in places where common isn't used

13:56:47 <oedipus> SM: should we be adding common to elements, or just metadata attributes

Shane McCarron: should we be adding common to elements, or just metadata attributes

13:57:02 <oedipus> SP: had problem in past with @id - did we fix by putting "core"  on elements

Steven Pemberton: had problem in past with @id - did we fix by putting "core" on elements

13:57:10 <oedipus> SM: no - put @id on all elements

Shane McCarron: no - put @id on all elements

13:57:40 <oedipus> SP: XHTML1.1+RDFa in short term, put on elements; when regenerate XHTML 1.1, we fix the issue

Steven Pemberton: XHTML1.1+RDFa in short term, put on elements; when regenerate XHTML 1.1, we fix the issue

13:57:57 <oedipus> SM: not easy to fix - module defined wrong and needs to be fixed

Shane McCarron: not easy to fix - module defined wrong and needs to be fixed

13:58:08 <oedipus> SM: uses modules to fix so have to add to driver

Shane McCarron: uses modules to fix so have to add to driver

13:58:24 <oedipus> SM: driver override of what is in module - don't use attribute list from module

Shane McCarron: driver override of what is in module - don't use attribute list from module

13:58:32 <oedipus> SP: for long term, add it all

Steven Pemberton: for long term, add it all

13:58:50 <oedipus> SM: what does it mean to add "common" to script - what would it mean on script module/element

Shane McCarron: what does it mean to add "common" to script - what would it mean on script module/element

13:59:39 <oedipus> SP: good question -- don't think does any harm; same argument with XHTML Basic - didn't want attributes that didn't match things that didn't happen - didn't want markup to catch events that won't get fired;

Steven Pemberton: good question -- don't think does any harm; same argument with XHTML Basic - didn't want attributes that didn't match things that didn't happen - didn't want markup to catch events that won't get fired;

14:00:08 <oedipus> SP: if events don't happen, they don't happen - makes no difference if attributes there; because one CAN put attributes on SCRIPT, doesn't mean it is non-sense

Steven Pemberton: if events don't happen, they don't happen - makes no difference if attributes there; because one CAN put attributes on SCRIPT, doesn't mean it is non-sense

14:00:23 <oedipus> SM: putting onBlur on SCRIPT doesn't mean anything

Shane McCarron: putting onBlur on SCRIPT doesn't mean anything

14:00:52 <oedipus> SP: right, so don't do it; in principle is allowed, but in princiiple could make script viewable and clickable; non-viewable in principle is has display none

Steven Pemberton: right, so don't do it; in principle is allowed, but in princiiple could make script viewable and clickable; non-viewable in principle is has display none

14:01:01 <oedipus> SM: can't currently override with style

Shane McCarron: can't currently override with style

14:01:18 <oedipus> SP: in stylesheet could script { display:block; }

Steven Pemberton: in stylesheet could script { display:block; }

14:01:42 <oedipus> SM: in regards RDFa SP thinks fine to put meta attributes on everything: not on SYTLE, SCRIPT and PARAM

Shane McCarron: in regards RDFa SP thinks fine to put meta attributes on everything: not on SYTLE, SCRIPT or PARAM

14:01:56 <oedipus> s/and PARAM/or PARAM
14:02:04 <oedipus> SM: think might need HREF on all of them

Shane McCarron: think might need HREF on all of them

14:02:15 <oedipus> SP: resource, but not href everywhere

Steven Pemberton: resource, but not href everywhere

14:02:34 <oedipus> SM: changed and then ben had problems with it because resolved to put it everywhere in july 2007

Shane McCarron: changed and then ben had problems with it because resolved to put it everywhere in july 2007

14:02:40 <oedipus> SP: ben most against it

Steven Pemberton: ben most against it

14:02:46 <oedipus> SM: creative commons said didn't care

Shane McCarron: creative commons said didn't care

14:02:55 <oedipus> SM: href everywhere in CR draft

Shane McCarron: href everywhere in CR draft

14:03:20 <oedipus> SM: will put meta information attributes on SCRIPT, STYLE and PARAM and will ship

Shane McCarron: will put meta information attributes on SCRIPT, STYLE and PARAM and will ship

14:03:24 <oedipus> SM: any other comments?

Shane McCarron: any other comments?

14:03:29 <oedipus> GJR: yeah, we're done!

Gregory Rosmaita: yeah, we're done!

14:03:34 <alessio> <script> is correctly styled on FF, but not in IE6... I'll se on IE7

Alessio Cartocci: <script> is correctly styled on FF, but not in IE6... I'll se on IE7

14:03:43 <oedipus> SM: ok to resolve to publish

Shane McCarron: ok to resolve to publish

14:04:22 <oedipus> SP: try and get MarkB to join IRC to vote

Steven Pemberton: try and get MarkB to join IRC to vote

14:05:27 <oedipus> SP: can delay a few minutes until MarkB can join

Steven Pemberton: can delay a few minutes until MarkB can join

14:05:59 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:05:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

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14:06:37 <oedipus> SM: willing to table and move on until we can get more members

Shane McCarron: willing to table and move on until we can get more members

14:06:46 <oedipus> TOPIC: Modularization Transition

3. Modularization Transition

14:07:01 <oedipus> SP: ongoing - not yet reply from commentor - if don't come soon, will re-ping

Steven Pemberton: ongoing - not yet reply from commentor - if don't come soon, will re-ping

14:07:11 <oedipus> SP: can prepare documents in any case

Steven Pemberton: can prepare documents in any case

14:08:14 <oedipus> SP: rich going to join

Steven Pemberton: rich going to join

14:08:36 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:08:49 <oedipus> zakim, ??P0 is RichS

zakim, ??P0 is RichS

14:08:49 <Zakim> +RichS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +RichS; got it

14:09:18 <oedipus> SP: we would  like to vote on RDFa today - just finished CR and want to transition to PR

Steven Pemberton: we would like to vote on RDFa today - just finished CR and want to transition to PR

14:09:33 <oedipus> SP: if you agree, we can record your position

Steven Pemberton: if you agree, we can record your position

14:09:47 <oedipus> RS: plus one to transition RDFa to PR

Richard Schwerdtfeger: plus one to transition RDFa to PR

14:10:03 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

14:10:06 <Tina> +1

Tina Holmboe: +1

14:10:07 <Zakim> -RichS

Zakim IRC Bot: -RichS

14:10:09 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1

Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1

14:10:11 <alessio> +1

Alessio Cartocci: +1

14:10:14 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

14:11:07 <oedipus> proposed RESOLUTION: XHTML2 WG agrees transition RDFa from CR to PR

proposed RESOLUTION: XHTML2 WG agrees transition RDFa from CR to PR

14:11:18 <oedipus> RESOLUTION: XHTML2 WG agrees transition RDFa from CR to PR

RESOLVED: XHTML2 WG agrees transition RDFa from CR to PR

14:11:22 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:11:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

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14:11:57 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/

14:11:57 <oedipus> GJR: implementation report URI, SP?

Gregory Rosmaita: implementation report URI, SP?

14:12:04 <ShaneM> ACTION: ShaneM to add RDFa attributes to script, style, and param elements in XHTML+RDFa implementation - leaving out was an oversight

ACTION: ShaneM to add RDFa attributes to script, style, and param elements in XHTML+RDFa implementation - leaving out was an oversight

14:12:28 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML Media Type document

4. XHTML Media Type document

14:12:33 <oedipus> SP: SM requested we move ahead

Steven Pemberton: SM requested we move ahead

14:12:57 <oedipus> SM: been sitting on it for while - did a lot of work then drifted away; what is plan on getting from editor's draft to Note

Shane McCarron: been sitting on it for while - did a lot of work then drifted away; what is plan on getting from editor's draft to Note

14:13:36 <oedipus> SP: question is how to get out there with idea that has had enough discussion to show been discussed - send to HTC for final discussion?

Steven Pemberton: question is how to get out there with idea that has had enough discussion to show been discussed - send to HTC for final discussion?

14:13:42 <oedipus> SM: a Note, so no approval cycle

Shane McCarron: a Note, so no approval cycle

14:14:08 <oedipus> SP: trying to reflect reality, so it is ok to deliver XHTML using text/html because IT JUST WORKS

Steven Pemberton: trying to reflect reality, so it is ok to deliver XHTML using text/html because IT JUST WORKS

14:14:16 <oedipus> SM: and here are some hints for making it work better

Shane McCarron: and here are some hints for making it work better

14:14:18 <oedipus> SP: right

Steven Pemberton: right

14:15:10 <oedipus> SP: if just publish as note, could say "just documenting real world" but if say to HTC "planning to publish, has real world implications, any comments before transition to note?

Steven Pemberton: if just publish as note, could say "just documenting real world" but if say to HTC "planning to publish, has real world implications, any comments before transition to note?

14:15:12 <Tina> That DOES mean we are back to rubberstamping current practice.

Tina Holmboe: That DOES mean we are back to rubberstamping current practice.

14:15:44 <oedipus> SP: may get opinions either way - HTC good place to air - maximum hit for minimum investment

Steven Pemberton: may get opinions either way - HTC good place to air - maximum hit for minimum investment

14:16:18 <oedipus> SM: in terms of process, i will take a pass to ensure that draft is clean; will notify list when i'm done, and SP can then notify HTC

Shane McCarron: in terms of process, i will take a pass to ensure that draft is clean; will notify list when i'm done, and SP can then notify HTC

14:16:28 <oedipus> SM: HTC meets next friday

Steven Pemberton: HTC meets next friday

14:16:30 <ShaneM> ACTION: ShaneM to ensure XHTMLMIME is ready to socialize, then inform the group (and Steven in particular) no later than 22 August.

ACTION: ShaneM to ensure XHTMLMIME is ready to socialize, then inform the group (and Steven in particular) no later than 22 August.

14:16:38 <oedipus> s/SM: HTC/SP: HTC
14:17:28 <oedipus> TOPIC: CURIE comment

5. CURIE comment

14:17:56 <oedipus> SP: extended last call comments period; semantic web group said will send comments soon; surprise haven't received yet

Steven Pemberton: extended last call comments period; semantic web group said will send comments soon; surprise haven't received yet

14:18:01 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Module

6. Access Module

14:19:09 <oedipus> SP: did we look at any of the i18n issues last week?

Steven Pemberton: did we look at any of the i18n issues last week?

14:20:23 <Steven> PR8044-48

Steven Pemberton: PR8044-48

14:21:01 <oedipus> SP: 47 and 44 substantive ones

Steven Pemberton: 47 and 44 substantive ones

14:21:24 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0006.html

Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0006.html

14:21:43 <oedipus> scribe's note: in 13 august 2008 minutes - SP stated "principle is to have keys all in one set and diff sets in diff modalities"

scribe's note: in 13 august 2008 minutes - SP stated "principle is to have keys all in one set and diff sets in diff modalities"

14:22:01 <Tina> We discussed this last week, yes?

Tina Holmboe: We discussed this last week, yes?

14:22:18 <oedipus> SM: suggestion can be read 2 ways; 1) additional control that would allow author to indicate the annotation or 2) remove text about UA annotating key

Shane McCarron: suggestion can be read 2 ways; 1) additional control that would allow author to indicate the annotation or 2) remove text about UA annotating key

14:22:24 <oedipus> SM: if UA can recognize...

Shane McCarron: if UA can recognize...

14:23:17 <oedipus> SP: suggest we say we recognize concern and that is why couch discussion in terms of "MAY" and "e.g." and think that current text covers this case

Steven Pemberton: suggest we say we recognize concern and that is why couch discussion in terms of "MAY" and "e.g." and think that current text covers this case

14:23:26 <oedipus> GJR: plus one from me

Gregory Rosmaita: plus one from me

14:24:32 <oedipus> SP: "likely to be problemmatic" but we say "depends on UA" - we recommend use of access key in label; if UA can, can do in such and such a matter; not in conflict with commentor's comments; covers cases like his

Steven Pemberton: "likely to be problemmatic" but we say "depends on UA" - we recommend use of access key in label; if UA can, can do in such and such a matter; not in conflict with commentor's comments; covers cases like his

14:24:44 <oedipus> SP: text fine as is - covers richardI's cases

Steven Pemberton: text fine as is - covers richardI's cases

14:24:48 <oedipus> GJR: agree

Gregory Rosmaita: agree

14:24:55 <oedipus> SM: agree

Shane McCarron: agree

14:25:02 <alessio> agree

Alessio Cartocci: agree

14:25:05 <oedipus> SP: happy to write reply myself

Steven Pemberton: happy to write reply myself

14:25:26 <alessio> :)

Alessio Cartocci: :)

14:25:31 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to Richard Ishida's comment 8044

ACTION: Steven to reply to Richard Ishida's comment 8044

14:25:36 <oedipus> SM: turn to 47

Shane McCarron: turn to 47

14:25:43 <oedipus> SM: discussed at length last week

Shane McCarron: discussed at length last week

14:25:51 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-minutes.html#item05

http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-minutes.html#item05

14:26:22 <oedipus> SP: didn't come to conclusion, but felt "not our problem"

Steven Pemberton: didn't come to conclusion, but felt "not our problem"

14:26:31 <oedipus> SM: changed wording a little

Shane McCarron: changed wording a little

14:26:46 <oedipus> SP: can reply changed wording to clarify; please take a look and tell us if suffices

Steven Pemberton: can reply changed wording to clarify; please take a look and tell us if suffices

14:27:12 <oedipus> SM: used "abstraction" - TH, GJR and i discussed in hour after call on IRC

Shane McCarron: used "abstraction" - TH, GJR and i discussed in hour after call on IRC

14:27:27 <ShaneM> The key attribute represents an abstraction. The use of the name "key" for this attribute is historical and does not mean that there is any association with a specific "key" on a keyboard, per se. It is up to the user agent to provide a mechanism for mapping the document character set value(s) of the attribute to the input methods available to the user agent. For instance, on some systems a user may have to press an "alt" or "cmd" key in addition to the access key

Shane McCarron: The key attribute represents an abstraction. The use of the name "key" for this attribute is historical and does not mean that there is any association with a specific "key" on a keyboard, per se. It is up to the user agent to provide a mechanism for mapping the document character set value(s) of the attribute to the input methods available to the user agent. For instance, on some systems a user may have to press an "alt" or "cmd" key in addition to the access key

14:28:17 <oedipus> GJR: notes that has outstaning request to WAI/PF and UAAG to review new draft and to propose what to do when key bound to element not in label for element

Gregory Rosmaita: notes that has outstaning request to WAI/PF and UAAG to review new draft and to propose what to do when key bound to element not in label for element

14:29:23 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JulSep/0088.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JulSep/0088.html

14:29:29 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JulSep/0089.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JulSep/0089.html

14:29:43 <oedipus> SP: easy to find out what is being used - UA has necessary info

Steven Pemberton: easy to find out what is being used - UA has necessary info

14:29:56 <oedipus> GJR: programmatically not a problem; discoverability is the issue

Gregory Rosmaita: programmatically not a problem; discoverability is the issue

14:30:48 <oedipus> GJR: discoverability for those with disabilities who don't use assistive tech

Gregory Rosmaita: discoverability for those with disabilities who don't use assistive tech

14:31:32 <oedipus> SP: different access keys for different UAs - might have 2 sets of accesskeys - 1 for full-blown computer, one for mobile device - keep text and offer different bindings

Steven Pemberton: different access keys for different UAs - might have 2 sets of accesskeys - 1 for full-blown computer, one for mobile device - keep text and offer different bindings

14:32:43 <oedipus> GJR: will discuss at this week's UAAG telecon (tomorrow, 21 august 2008)

Gregory Rosmaita: will discuss at this week's UAAG telecon (tomorrow, 21 august 2008)

14:33:01 <oedipus> SP: other comments from RI editorial - don't need to discuss/thrash out on call

Steven Pemberton: other comments from RI editorial - don't need to discuss/thrash out on call

14:34:01 <oedipus> [fyi] porting Access Module to HTML5 - http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/AccesskeyRequirements

[fyi] porting Access Module to HTML5 - http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/AccesskeyRequirements

14:34:06 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

14:34:47 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:34:53 <alessio> zakim, ??P0 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P0 is Alessio

14:34:53 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it

14:35:00 <oedipus> SM: concern is do we want to say anything about accesskey from HTML4; "meant to be used instead of that - in MLs where both are present/supported, Access Module is preferred"

Shane McCarron: concern is do we want to say anything about accesskey from HTML4; "meant to be used instead of that - in MLs where both are present/supported, Access Module is preferred"

14:35:22 <oedipus> GJR: position i have advocated in UAAG - access module preferred

Gregory Rosmaita: position i have advocated in UAAG - access module preferred

14:35:30 <oedipus> SP: a bit like @style versus STYLE

Steven Pemberton: a bit like @style versus STYLE

14:35:37 <oedipus> SM: just adding something to event loop

Shane McCarron: just adding something to event loop

14:35:54 <oedipus> SP: good way to approach - difference btw @style and STYLE - one overrides the other

Steven Pemberton: good way to approach - difference btw @style and STYLE - one overrides the other

14:36:16 <oedipus> SM: what if 3 access elements with identical key attributes?

Shane McCarron: what if 3 access elements with identical key attributes?

14:36:40 <oedipus> AC: good question

Alessio Cartocci: good question

14:37:17 <oedipus> SP: so what happens if multiple bindings of same key to different elements; 1) disallow (don't have to say what happens); 2) not recommended, but here is what happens when you do it

Steven Pemberton: so what happens if multiple bindings of same key to different elements; 1) disallow (don't have to say what happens); 2) not recommended, but here is what happens when you do it

14:37:28 <oedipus> SM: think we have to take the latter tack; is allowed

Shane McCarron: think we have to take the latter tack; is allowed

14:37:31 <oedipus> AC: agree

Alessio Cartocci: agree

14:37:34 <oedipus> SP: can live with that

Steven Pemberton: can live with that

14:38:13 <oedipus> SM: 2 targetids and 1 targetrole in example - give people rich enough environment by providing ability to provide multiple toles or IDREFs

Shane McCarron: 2 targetids and 1 targetrole in example - give people rich enough environment by providing ability to provide multiple toles or IDREFs

14:38:25 <oedipus> SP: media query impllications?

Steven Pemberton: media query impllications?

14:38:47 <oedipus> SP: attribute not currently on STYLE is in XHTML2 in common collection; don't want to say "not allowed"

Steven Pemberton: attribute not currently on STYLE is in XHTML2 in common collection; don't want to say "not allowed"

14:39:15 <oedipus> SP: perhaps call them "active bindings" if host language has way to switch off, can have bindings to same key, but not active at same time

Steven Pemberton: perhaps call them "active bindings" if host language has way to switch off, can have bindings to same key, but not active at same time

14:39:51 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-mediaAttribute.html#s_mediaAttributemodule

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-mediaAttribute.html#s_mediaAttributemodule

14:40:01 <oedipus> SM: don't define active, so trying to figure out definition

Shane McCarron: don't define active, so trying to figure out definition

14:40:19 <oedipus> SP: same wording used in XHTML2 for @media module

Steven Pemberton: same wording used in XHTML2 for @media module

14:40:27 <oedipus> SM: wouldn't mind brining media into this element

Shane McCarron: wouldn't mind brining media into this element

14:40:40 <oedipus> SP: already there in XHTML2

Steven Pemberton: already there in XHTML2

14:40:46 <oedipus> SP: make up-front now

Steven Pemberton: make up-front now

14:40:51 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to doing it now

Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to doing it now

14:41:01 <oedipus> SP: plus 1

Steven Pemberton: plus 1

14:41:06 <alessio> +1

Alessio Cartocci: +1

14:41:20 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to add @media to the access module - steal text from XHTML 2.

ACTION: Shane to add @media to the access module - steal text from XHTML 2.

14:41:25 <Tina> +1

Tina Holmboe: +1

14:41:28 <oedipus> SP: now can speak of "active access elements"

Steven Pemberton: now can speak of "active access elements"

14:41:37 <oedipus> TOPIC: Wrap Up

7. Wrap Up

14:41:41 <oedipus> SP: last minute comments?

Steven Pemberton: last minute comments?

14:41:45 <oedipus> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED

14:41:48 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

14:41:49 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

14:41:50 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:41:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

14:41:53 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita

Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita

14:41:54 <Zakim> -Tina

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina

14:41:55 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

14:41:55 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended

14:41:57 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Alessio, RichS

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Alessio, RichS

14:42:03 <Steven> Thanks yet again Gregory

Steven Pemberton: Thanks yet again Gregory

14:42:07 <oedipus> no problem

no problem

14:42:09 <Steven> and happy birthday again

Steven Pemberton: and happy birthday again

14:42:13 <oedipus> thanks!

thanks!

14:42:22 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:42:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

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14:42:53 <oedipus> present- +04670855aaaa

present- +04670855aaaa

14:42:57 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:42:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

14:43:45 <oedipus> RESOLVED: add @media to the access module - using text from XHTML 2

RESOLVED: add @media to the access module - using text from XHTML 2

14:43:49 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:43:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus

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14:46:42 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part

rrsagent, please part

14:46:42 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-actions.rdf :

14:46:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM to add RDFa attributes to script, style, and param elements in XHTML+RDFa implementation - leaving out was an oversight [1]

ACTION: ShaneM to add RDFa attributes to script, style, and param elements in XHTML+RDFa implementation - leaving out was an oversight [1]

14:46:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-12-04

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-12-04

14:46:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM to ensure XHTMLMIME is ready to socialize, then inform the group (and Steven in particular) no later than 22 August. [2]

ACTION: ShaneM to ensure XHTMLMIME is ready to socialize, then inform the group (and Steven in particular) no later than 22 August. [2]

14:46:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-16-30

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-16-30

14:46:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to reply to Richard Ishida's comment 8044 [3]

ACTION: Steven to reply to Richard Ishida's comment 8044 [3]

14:46:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-25-31

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-25-31

14:46:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to add @media to the access module - steal text from XHTML 2.   [4]

ACTION: Shane to add @media to the access module - steal text from XHTML 2. [4]

14:46:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-41-20

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-xhtml-irc#T14-41-20



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