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13:44:14 <RolandMerrick> RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0000.html
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13:44:21 <RolandMerrick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0000.html
13:44:42 <RolandMerrick> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:45:35 <Roland> Zakim, this is XHTML2
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13:45:35 <Zakim> ok, Roland; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM
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13:45:51 <Roland> Zakim, list
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13:45:51 <Zakim> I see MWI_(DWEU)8:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, IA_XHTML2()9:45AM active
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13:45:53 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are MWI_BPWG(Checker TF)10:00AM, I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, Team_(rifc)11:53Z
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13:47:04 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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13:47:34 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:47:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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13:47:41 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
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13:47:47 <Zakim> +Tina
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13:48:07 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:48:17 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:48:17 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:48:19 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:48:21 <Zakim> +??P10
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13:48:36 <yamx> zakim, ??P10 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P10 is yamx ←
13:48:36 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
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13:48:42 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
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13:49:34 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:50:14 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
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13:50:28 <Steven> rrsagent, here?
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, here? ←
13:50:28 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-irc#T13-50-28
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-irc#T13-50-28 ←
13:50:57 <oedipus> Yam: wait for more participants for mobile profile 1.3 and xhtml basic 1.1 PR - stable, can now make tests
Toshihiko Yamakami: wait for more participants for mobile profile 1.3 and xhtml basic 1.1 PR - stable, can now make tests ←
13:51:08 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0000
13:51:40 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference
13:51:57 <oedipus> Yam: OMA liaisoning finished, but my mission is mobile browsing, so i cannot continue to physically participate so i am saying goodby to group but if have any questions about mobile or testing, just ping me
Toshihiko Yamakami: OMA liaisoning finished, but my mission is mobile browsing, so i cannot continue to physically participate so i am saying goodby to group but if have any questions about mobile or testing, just ping me ←
13:52:06 <Steven> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes
13:52:07 <oedipus> RM: thank you Yam for all your valuable contributions
Steven Pemberton: thank you Yam for all your valuable contributions ←
13:52:14 <Steven> s/RM/SP/
13:52:40 <oedipus> Yam: any issues on mobile browsing, will be more than happy to help
Toshihiko Yamakami: any issues on mobile browsing, will be more than happy to help ←
13:52:42 <Zakim> -yamx
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Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
13:52:44 <oedipus> SM: thank you yam
Shane McCarron: thank you yam ←
13:53:06 <oedipus> TOPIC: Draft TAG finding "Passwords in the Clear"
13:53:15 <oedipus> RM: Shane & Tina were going to explore
Roland Merrick: Shane & Tina were going to explore ←
13:53:22 <oedipus> SM: running battle in TAG about it
Shane McCarron: running battle in TAG about it ←
13:53:29 <oedipus> SP: background?
Steven Pemberton: background? ←
13:53:30 <yamx> Just drop mail to "Toshihiko.Yamakami@access-company.com" for any i12n or mobile browser issues.
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: Just drop mail to "Toshihiko.Yamakami@access-company.com" for any i12n or mobile browser issues. ←
13:53:38 <Steven> ok
Steven Pemberton: ok ←
13:53:40 <oedipus> thanks yam -- you will be missed
thanks yam -- you will be missed ←
13:53:55 <Steven> Regrets: MarkB
13:54:45 <oedipus> SM: some in TAG adamant that policies stated in doc are good idea, others who don't - impossible to reengineer all tech to support passwrods in clear; weird thing is they are ignoring SSL which is most widely used security layer - my comment what is wrong with SSL?
Shane McCarron: some in TAG adamant that policies stated in doc are good idea, others who don't - impossible to reengineer all tech to support passwrods in clear; weird thing is they are ignoring SSL which is most widely used security layer - my comment what is wrong with SSL? ←
13:55:15 <oedipus> TH: didn't see anything more than last time i looked prior to f2f; no comments on it - good idea, but is it practical?
Tina Holmboe: didn't see anything more than last time i looked prior to f2f; no comments on it - good idea, but is it practical? ←
13:55:40 <oedipus> SM: not much in there - basically "make sure don't send passwords in clear and if you do, fix it"
Shane McCarron: not much in there - basically "make sure don't send passwords in clear and if you do, fix it" ←
13:56:02 <oedipus> RM: request to group to review - next steps? shane propose response from group on list
Roland Merrick: request to group to review - next steps? shane propose response from group on list ←
13:56:52 <oedipus> TH: the document won't be read by those except by those already involved in issue; don't understand why XHTML review needed? of course, shouldn't send passwords in clear
Tina Holmboe: the document won't be read by those except by those already involved in issue; don't understand why XHTML review needed? of course, shouldn't send passwords in clear ←
13:56:59 <oedipus> RM: 2 ways of rendering password
Roland Merrick: 2 ways of rendering password ←
13:57:06 <oedipus> TH: both still need to be translated
Tina Holmboe: both still need to be translated ←
13:57:48 <oedipus> SP: when you fill in things like a password in an HTML/XHTML form, what you type in is stored somewhere, so are passwords subject to attack via javascript
Steven Pemberton: when you fill in things like a password in an HTML/XHTML form, what you type in is stored somewhere, so are passwords subject to attack via javascript ←
13:57:51 <oedipus> SM: sure
Shane McCarron: sure ←
13:58:02 <oedipus> TH: possibly - no check of what's on disk
Tina Holmboe: possibly - no check of what's on disk ←
13:58:10 <oedipus> SM: once typed in, stored in DOM
Shane McCarron: once typed in, stored in DOM ←
13:58:19 <oedipus> SP: so susceptible to javascript attack and is in clear
Steven Pemberton: so susceptible to javascript attack and is in clear ←
13:58:44 <oedipus> SM: not encryption, just a specially rendered field - will check DOM spec
Shane McCarron: not encryption, just a specially rendered field - will check DOM spec ←
13:59:00 <oedipus> RM: question of DOM should say if such a DOM feature exists, use that
Roland Merrick: question of DOM should say if such a DOM feature exists, use that ←
13:59:28 <oedipus> SP: XForms has same problem; input control has property that says "password" and nothing else - field is subject to javascript attack
Steven Pemberton: XForms has same problem; input control has property that says "password" and nothing else - field is subject to javascript attack ←
14:00:14 <oedipus> TH: document in question talks about transmission - hacking way into DOM via javascript - thin connection - don't know if any point in commenting on it other than "this looks good in theory, but ..."
Tina Holmboe: document in question talks about transmission - hacking way into DOM via javascript - thin connection - don't know if any point in commenting on it other than "this looks good in theory, but ..." ←
14:00:42 <oedipus> SP: if both HTML and XHTML store passwords where can be attacked by JS, can grab passwords
Steven Pemberton: if both HTML and XHTML store passwords where can be attacked by JS, can grab passwords ←
14:01:07 <oedipus> TH: what do with passwords after grabs them? could use XML HTTPRequest object to send somewhere, but not to separate host
Tina Holmboe: what do with passwords after grabs them? could use XML HTTPRequest object to send somewhere, but not to separate host ←
14:01:56 <oedipus> TH: could add note that when comes to transmission of passwords in clear, it doesn't affect us directly, but would like to poinot out the following DOM concerns and parts of DOM spec (if contained there)
Tina Holmboe: could add note that when comes to transmission of passwords in clear, it doesn't affect us directly, but would like to poinot out the following DOM concerns and parts of DOM spec (if contained there) ←
14:02:12 <oedipus> RM: OSes do not hold passwords in clear
Roland Merrick: OSes do not hold passwords in clear ←
14:02:15 <oedipus> SP: right
Steven Pemberton: right ←
14:02:27 <oedipus> RM: encrypted as one-way encryption
Roland Merrick: encrypted as one-way encryption ←
14:02:55 <oedipus> SP: DVD player did store passwords in clear and allowed hackers to hack into DVD security layer
Steven Pemberton: DVD player did store passwords in clear and allowed hackers to hack into DVD security layer ←
14:03:02 <oedipus> SM: will address by posting to list
Shane McCarron: will address by posting to list ←
14:03:11 <oedipus> TOPIC: XSD 1.1 by the SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group
14:03:29 <oedipus> RM: can you do this for us - volunteered to review new Schema draft by last call
Roland Merrick: can you do this for us - volunteered to review new Schema draft by last call ←
14:03:35 <Steven> Regrets+Alessio
Steven Pemberton: Regrets+Alessio ←
14:03:37 <oedipus> TOPIC: Calls over the Summer
14:03:47 <oedipus> questionnaire: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0058.html
Scribe problem: the name 'questionnaire' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown questionnaire: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0058.html ←
14:03:52 <oedipus> TOPIC: CURIE Syntax: status
14:03:57 <oedipus> SP: sent transition request
Steven Pemberton: sent transition request ←
14:04:16 <oedipus> SP: question about role - issue together?
Steven Pemberton: question about role - issue together? ←
14:04:24 <oedipus> RM: Role not ready
Roland Merrick: Role not ready ←
14:04:29 <oedipus> SP: can't do together
Steven Pemberton: can't do together ←
14:04:36 <oedipus> RM: will address role shortly
Roland Merrick: will address role shortly ←
14:04:42 <oedipus> RM: rather not hold up CURIEs
Roland Merrick: rather not hold up CURIEs ←
14:04:53 <oedipus> SP: good news with CURIEs is loads of implementation already
Steven Pemberton: good news with CURIEs is loads of implementation already ←
14:05:12 <oedipus> SP: already have implementation reports for RDFa which include a lot of tests for CURIEs
Steven Pemberton: already have implementation reports for RDFa which include a lot of tests for CURIEs ←
14:05:21 <oedipus> SP: may be a quick CR
Steven Pemberton: may be a quick CR ←
14:05:32 <oedipus> TOPIC: M12N transition: status
14:05:57 <oedipus> RM: bits that changed as result of f2f -- short names to be fixed by Shane and IanJ
Roland Merrick: bits that changed as result of f2f -- short names to be fixed by Shane and IanJ ←
14:06:11 <oedipus> SM: half-way -- can't do anything to next pub anyway
Shane McCarron: half-way -- can't do anything to next pub anyway ←
14:06:28 <oedipus> TOPIC: M12N transition and RelaxNG
14:06:42 <oedipus> SM: have draft - sent out note; no response
Shane McCarron: have draft - sent out note; no response ←
14:07:38 <oedipus> SM: done the proof-of-concept heavy lifting; oxygen doesn't choke on it, may not be Relax Best Practice - trying to get Norm Walsh and another individual as well as Chris Lilley to review
Shane McCarron: done the proof-of-concept heavy lifting; oxygen doesn't choke on it, may not be Relax Best Practice - trying to get Norm Walsh and another individual as well as Chris Lilley to review ←
14:08:13 <oedipus> SM: ChrisL the one who asked the question; think can release as PER after 1.1 out the door
Shane McCarron: ChrisL the one who asked the question; think can release as PER after 1.1 out the door ←
14:08:26 <oedipus> SP: know too little about RelaxNG
Steven Pemberton: know too little about RelaxNG ←
14:08:30 <oedipus> GJR: that makes 2 of us
Gregory Rosmaita: that makes 2 of us ←
14:09:51 <oedipus> SM: RelaxNG nor Schema not as powerful; we will have to define something perhaps, given the right URI here is the right Schema
Shane McCarron: RelaxNG nor Schema not as powerful; we will have to define something perhaps, given the right URI here is the right Schema ←
14:10:13 <oedipus> SP: says "module not found" in a number of places
Steven Pemberton: says "module not found" in a number of places ←
14:10:21 <oedipus> SM: thanks for reminder will grok right know
Shane McCarron: thanks for reminder will grok right know ←
14:10:31 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML Basic 1.1 transition to PR: status
14:10:38 <oedipus> RM: when will make transition - any idea?
Roland Merrick: when will make transition - any idea? ←
14:10:57 <oedipus> SP: searches for messages
Steven Pemberton: searches for messages ←
14:11:34 <oedipus> RM: just a pulse check
Roland Merrick: just a pulse check ←
14:11:40 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 SE status
14:11:51 <oedipus> RM: proposed 1.2, have to get 1.1 SE out door
Roland Merrick: proposed 1.2, have to get 1.1 SE out door ←
14:12:25 <oedipus> TH: question: XHTML Basic 1.1 changed - some debate on mailing list - ignoring that or address it?
Tina Holmboe: question: XHTML Basic 1.1 changed - some debate on mailing list - ignoring that or address it? ←
14:12:59 <oedipus> RM: complaint from mobile, why i asked yam about spec - mobile profile may define input mode not in Basic; XHTML Mobile Profile + Basic needed
Roland Merrick: complaint from mobile, why i asked yam about spec - mobile profile may define input mode not in Basic; XHTML Mobile Profile + Basic needed ←
14:13:10 <oedipus> SM: think TH talking about deprecating @style
Shane McCarron: think TH talking about deprecating @style ←
14:13:29 <oedipus> RM: 2 issues: start of thread addressed being able to enter data, then moves on to deprecation issue
Roland Merrick: 2 issues: start of thread addressed being able to enter data, then moves on to deprecation issue ←
14:13:40 <oedipus> TH: setting input fields in node debate?
Tina Holmboe: setting input fields in node debate? ←
14:13:43 <oedipus> RM: yes
Roland Merrick: yes ←
14:13:52 <oedipus> TH: do we need to address before move forward
Tina Holmboe: do we need to address before move forward ←
14:14:01 <oedipus> RM: problem with XHTML Mobile rather than Basic
Roland Merrick: problem with XHTML Mobile rather than Basic ←
14:14:06 <Steven> Voting on Basic 1.1 is open until July 15th
Steven Pemberton: Voting on Basic 1.1 is open until July 15th ←
14:14:06 <oedipus> SM: disagree
Shane McCarron: disagree ←
14:14:29 <oedipus> RM: one in past to set nodes - never in XHTML Basic 1.0 - through XHTML Mobile Profile addition
Roland Merrick: one in past to set nodes - never in XHTML Basic 1.0 - through XHTML Mobile Profile addition ←
14:14:39 <oedipus> SM: and we added input mode to address shortcoming in Basic
Shane McCarron: and we added input mode to address shortcoming in Basic ←
14:14:55 <oedipus> RM: have to ensure that we have covered all of the input modes in Mobile
Roland Merrick: have to ensure that we have covered all of the input modes in Mobile ←
14:15:05 <oedipus> SM: didn't consider list extensible
Shane McCarron: didn't consider list extensible ←
14:15:20 <oedipus> RM: perhaps we can take up Yam on his offer to answer questions on mobile
Roland Merrick: perhaps we can take up Yam on his offer to answer questions on mobile ←
14:15:46 <oedipus> SM: think should ignore - no LC or other comments nor follow up
Shane McCarron: think should ignore - no LC or other comments nor follow up ←
14:16:02 <oedipus> RM: 2 statements: 1) input mode; 2) no @style
Roland Merrick: 2 statements: 1) input mode; 2) no @style ←
14:16:47 <oedipus> RM: need to understand answers to input mode - is answer/feature we want in Mobile profile
Roland Merrick: need to understand answers to input mode - is answer/feature we want in Mobile profile ←
14:17:00 <oedipus> SP: WAP background and mindset
Steven Pemberton: WAP background and mindset ←
14:17:33 <oedipus> RM: @style in WAP different, but don't know what OMA now says about Mobile profile - did they support new input modes not found in Basic?
Roland Merrick: @style in WAP different, but don't know what OMA now says about Mobile profile - did they support new input modes not found in Basic? ←
14:17:44 <oedipus> RM: need to address - could be a future flash point
Roland Merrick: need to address - could be a future flash point ←
14:17:55 <oedipus> RM: used WAP features in mobile work - very powerful
Roland Merrick: used WAP features in mobile work - very powerful ←
14:18:07 <oedipus> SM: next steps?
Shane McCarron: next steps? ←
14:19:07 <oedipus> RM: i will write Yam and ask him what has happened in this area with new Mobile profile; question comes from someone dealing with XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 or 1.3; not sure where question lies
Roland Merrick: i will write Yam and ask him what has happened in this area with new Mobile profile; question comes from someone dealing with XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 or 1.3; not sure where question lies ←
14:19:39 <oedipus> RM: been working in Mobile space for some time - question is XHTML Basic 1.1 to corresponding mobile profile is what need to ascertain
Roland Merrick: been working in Mobile space for some time - question is XHTML Basic 1.1 to corresponding mobile profile is what need to ascertain ←
14:20:18 <oedipus> RM: also concerned about @style deprecation - interesting discussion - touched on it during F2F; no binding conclusion, but support for nested STYLE
Roland Merrick: also concerned about @style deprecation - interesting discussion - touched on it during F2F; no binding conclusion, but support for nested STYLE ←
14:20:42 <oedipus> SP: use of @style for putting restrictions on input is bending spec to breaking point from W3C POV
Steven Pemberton: use of @style for putting restrictions on input is bending spec to breaking point from W3C POV ←
14:21:06 <oedipus> RM: don't think restricted himself to saying @style useful only for that purpose
Roland Merrick: don't think restricted himself to saying @style useful only for that purpose ←
14:21:12 <oedipus> SP: but is a misuse of @style
Steven Pemberton: but is a misuse of @style ←
14:21:42 <oedipus> RM: we can think of no compelling use of @style, but if look at his use cases, might understand issue better
Roland Merrick: we can think of no compelling use of @style, but if look at his use cases, might understand issue better ←
14:21:54 <oedipus> RM: no answer because we followed up in discussions on XHTML2
Roland Merrick: no answer because we followed up in discussions on XHTML2 ←
14:22:14 <oedipus> TH: use cases advanced so far is complaint about quality of managers, not spec
Tina Holmboe: use cases advanced so far is complaint about quality of managers, not spec ←
14:22:30 <oedipus> RM: component for mashup without getting into style in HEAD
Roland Merrick: component for mashup without getting into style in HEAD ←
14:22:50 <oedipus> RM: @style been solution to that; adding to HEAD very difficult; nested STYLE better
Roland Merrick: @style been solution to that; adding to HEAD very difficult; nested STYLE better ←
14:23:35 <oedipus> TH: taking 1 piece from point a and one from point b and putting together - where collisions happen; cascade of CSS - local style may collide with global style; assembling pieces should be done with content, not style
Tina Holmboe: taking 1 piece from point a and one from point b and putting together - where collisions happen; cascade of CSS - local style may collide with global style; assembling pieces should be done with content, not style ←
14:23:59 <oedipus> RM: still need to talk @style versus nestable STYLE outside of HEAD
Roland Merrick: still need to talk @style versus nestable STYLE outside of HEAD ←
14:24:16 <oedipus> TH: "real world" query - can't satisfy that
Tina Holmboe: "real world" query - can't satisfy that ←
14:24:24 <oedipus> RM: no resolution because still under discussion
Roland Merrick: no resolution because still under discussion ←
14:24:39 <oedipus> TH: might take his comments and simply tell discussion on table
Tina Holmboe: might take his comments and simply tell discussion on table ←
14:24:44 <oedipus> SP: say that in spec
Steven Pemberton: say that in spec ←
14:24:58 <Steven> We already say it in the spec
Steven Pemberton: We already say it in the spec ←
14:25:12 <oedipus> RM: haven't published latest version of XHTML2 - when have schedule for new draft and then query
Roland Merrick: haven't published latest version of XHTML2 - when have schedule for new draft and then query ←
14:25:21 <oedipus> RM: for use cases for solutions
Roland Merrick: for use cases for solutions ←
14:25:38 <oedipus> SM: already replied to say "topic on table" he replied he was happy, so think we are done with this
Shane McCarron: already replied to say "topic on table" he replied he was happy, so think we are done with this ←
14:25:46 <oedipus> RM: question of INPUT mode still open
Roland Merrick: question of INPUT mode still open ←
14:26:04 <oedipus> RM: will look into input mode and talk with Yam about it
Roland Merrick: will look into input mode and talk with Yam about it ←
14:26:07 <Steven> Question of style attribute I think
Steven Pemberton: Question of style attribute I think ←
14:26:27 <oedipus> SP: voting until 15 july 2008 - be sure to encourage people to vote
Steven Pemberton: voting until 15 july 2008 - be sure to encourage people to vote ←
14:26:59 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0058.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0058.html ←
14:27:10 <oedipus> SP: be here next week, then away for 3 weeks
Steven Pemberton: be here next week, then away for 3 weeks ←
14:27:29 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-xhtml-minutes.html
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-xhtml-minutes.html ←
14:27:51 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording
ACTION: Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording ←
14:28:24 <oedipus> RM: need to think through all ramifications of resolution on @style logged in:
Roland Merrick: need to think through all ramifications of resolution on @style logged in: ←
14:28:50 <oedipus> RM: where is Role
Roland Merrick: where is Role ←
14:29:04 <oedipus> GJR: did AlG ever reply to ShaneM's post to pf on Role
Gregory Rosmaita: did AlG ever reply to ShaneM's post to pf on Role ←
14:29:22 <oedipus> SM: updated after last minute
Shane McCarron: updated after last teleconference in june ←
14:29:35 <oedipus> s/last minute/last teleconference in june
14:29:49 <oedipus> SM: transition document in w3.org space
Shane McCarron: transition document in w3.org space ←
14:29:54 <oedipus> RM: additional comments?
Roland Merrick: additional comments? ←
14:29:57 <oedipus> SM: checked and changed
Shane McCarron: checked and changed ←
14:30:09 <oedipus> RM: are we truly there - all comments that we have agreed solutions to?
Roland Merrick: are we truly there - all comments that we have agreed solutions to? ←
14:30:24 <oedipus> SM: believe all submitters replied to and made all changes agreed to at f2f
Shane McCarron: believe all submitters replied to and made all changes agreed to at f2f ←
14:31:29 <oedipus> RM: take look at latest draft
Roland Merrick: take look at latest draft ←
14:31:54 <oedipus> SM: Tina please check "badness" of bad examples
Shane McCarron: Tina please check "badness" of bad examples ←
14:31:57 <oedipus> TH: i will
Tina Holmboe: i will ←
14:32:11 <Steven> ACTION: Roland to remind IBM AC rep to vote for http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xhtmlbasic2008/
ACTION: Roland to remind IBM AC rep to vote for http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xhtmlbasic2008/ ←
14:32:13 <oedipus> SM: typed URI into log of meeting as updated in realtime
Shane McCarron: typed URI into log of meeting as updated in realtime ←
14:32:36 <oedipus> SM: dependent upon CURIEs anyway
Shane McCarron: dependent upon CURIEs anyway ←
14:33:05 <oedipus> SM: question to PF is ARIA talks about role, but not cited as an extension of role
Shane McCarron: question to PF is ARIA talks about role, but not cited as an extension of role ←
14:33:15 <oedipus> RM: overlap check between ARIA and Role
Roland Merrick: overlap check between ARIA and Role ←
14:33:32 <oedipus> SM: yes - ripped out roles (in response to document) - normative in #vocab
Shane McCarron: yes - ripped out roles (in response to document) - normative in #vocab ←
14:33:50 <oedipus> SM: ARIA people in charge of it, have to trust when say no conflict
Shane McCarron: ARIA people in charge of it, have to trust when say no conflict ←
14:34:00 <oedipus> GJR: believes all in harmony and no overlap
Gregory Rosmaita: believes roles not repetitive and no overlap ←
14:34:18 <oedipus> s/all in harmony/roles not repetitive
14:34:26 <oedipus> SP: actions coming out of discussion?
Steven Pemberton: actions coming out of discussion? ←
14:34:49 <oedipus> RM: Role is ready for us to review and resolve to move to CR
Roland Merrick: Role is ready for us to review and resolve to move to CR ←
14:34:57 <oedipus> SP: vote on CR next week?
Steven Pemberton: vote on CR next week? ←
14:34:58 <oedipus> RM: yes
Roland Merrick: yes ←
14:35:21 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Module: status
14:35:24 <oedipus> RM: comments?
Roland Merrick: comments? ←
14:35:34 <oedipus> GJR: doug replied to request of SVG as individual
Gregory Rosmaita: doug replied to request of SVG as individual ←
14:36:09 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008AprJun/0052.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008AprJun/0052.html ←
14:37:39 <oedipus> GJR: summarizes Acess discussion at PF face2face
Gregory Rosmaita: summarizes Acess discussion at PF face2face ←
14:37:47 <oedipus> RM: asked XForms?
Roland Merrick: asked XForms? ←
14:37:52 <oedipus> SP: go official reply
Steven Pemberton: go official reply ←
14:38:39 <Steven> d/go/no/
Steven Pemberton: d/go/no/ ←
14:38:40 <Steven> yet
Steven Pemberton: yet ←
14:39:26 <oedipus> PF face2face discussion of Access and HTML5/extensibility:
PF face2face discussion of Access and HTML5/extensibility: ←
14:39:27 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-pf-minutes.html#item07
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-pf-minutes.html#item07 ←
14:40:12 <oedipus> GJR notes that PF has formally asked for support for Access module in HTML5 or at least ability to use through extensibility
GJR notes that PF has formally asked for support for Access module in HTML5 or at least ability to use through extensibility ←
14:40:17 <oedipus> TOPIC: I18n Issues
14:40:33 <oedipus> SM: ok to leave Ruby references in XHTML 1.1 as normative def?
Shane McCarron: ok to leave Ruby references in XHTML 1.1 as normative def? ←
14:40:39 <oedipus> SP: ok with it
Steven Pemberton: ok with it ←
14:40:58 <oedipus> SM: good with i18n
Shane McCarron: good with i18n ←
14:41:20 <oedipus> SM: considering recommending for compatibility HTML Mime
Shane McCarron: considering recommending for compatibility HTML Mime ←
14:41:48 <oedipus> SM: with regard to i18n - recommend that documents be in UTF-8 or UTF-16 if want them to be portable - take pulse on that?
Shane McCarron: with regard to i18n - recommend that documents be in UTF-8 or UTF-16 if want them to be portable - take pulse on that? ←
14:41:54 <oedipus> SP: think will be delighted
Steven Pemberton: think will be delighted ←
14:42:18 <oedipus> TOPIC: XML Event timing issue
14:42:38 <oedipus> RM: received feedback - might be worth asking if comments received by Forms WG
Roland Merrick: received feedback - might be worth asking if comments received by Forms WG ←
14:42:43 <oedipus> SP: by timing you mean?
Steven Pemberton: by timing you mean? ←
14:42:48 <oedipus> RM: when bindings get done
Roland Merrick: when bindings get done ←
14:42:56 <oedipus> SP: did ask last week with some discussion
Steven Pemberton: did ask last week with some discussion ←
14:43:02 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0067.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0067.html ←
14:43:27 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-forms-minutes.html#item03
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-forms-minutes.html#item06 ←
14:43:48 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-forms-minutes.html#item06
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-forms-minutes.html#item06 ←
14:44:00 <Steven> s/item03/item06/
14:44:21 <oedipus> SP: nick has action item to respond to XHTML2 WG on events
Steven Pemberton: nick has action item to respond to XHTML2 WG on events ←
14:44:35 <oedipus> SP: john boyer has action item to comment on Access
Steven Pemberton: john boyer has action item to comment on Access ←
14:45:02 <oedipus> GJR: got Access inserted into UAAG 2.0 under direct user control (previously only accesskey)
Gregory Rosmaita: got Access inserted into UAAG 2.0 under direct user control (previously only accesskey) ←
14:45:36 <oedipus> SP: Shane and i have been testing XHTML11+RDFa Modularized Schema on w3c schema validator - some issues to be ironed out but making progress
Steven Pemberton: Shane and i have been testing XHTML11+RDFa Modularized Schema on w3c schema validator - some issues to be ironed out but making progress ←
14:45:37 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:45:40 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:45:41 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:45:42 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:45:43 <Zakim> -Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina ←
14:45:44 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:45:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, yamx, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, yamx, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:45:48 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:45:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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14:46:23 <Steven> thanks Gregory!
Steven Pemberton: thanks Gregory! ←
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14:51:56 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-actions.rdf :
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14:51:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [1]
ACTION: Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [1] ←
14:51:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-irc#T14-27-51
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14:51:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Roland to remind IBM AC rep to vote for http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xhtmlbasic2008/ [2]
ACTION: Roland to remind IBM AC rep to vote for http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xhtmlbasic2008/ [2] ←
14:51:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/02-xhtml-irc#T14-32-11
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