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XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference

Minutes of 30 January 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Gerrie Shults, Gregory Rosmaita, Mark Birbeck, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Toshihiko Yamakami, Unknown yamx
Regrets
Gregory Rosmaita
Chair
Roland Merrick
Scribe
Steven Pemberton
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored link
Topics

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13:56:31 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

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13:59:59 <Zakim> +Roland

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14:00:35 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference
14:00:38 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:00:46 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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14:00:46 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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14:00:47 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:01:19 <Zakim> +??P7

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14:01:26 <yamx> zakim, ?P7 is yamx

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Unknown yamx: zakim, ?P7 is yamx

14:01:26 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P7'

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14:01:36 <yamx> zakim, ??P7 is yamx

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Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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14:01:36 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

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14:01:53 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
14:01:58 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036

14:02:32 <ShaneM_>  zakim, code

Shane McCarron: zakim, code

14:02:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', ShaneM_

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14:03:07 <ShaneM_>  zakim, what is the code

Shane McCarron: zakim, what is the code

14:03:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM_

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM_

14:03:18 <Steven> FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF

Steven Pemberton: FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF

14:03:27 <Steven> zakim, code?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, code?

14:03:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven

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14:03:36 <Steven> Zakim loves question marks

Steven Pemberton: Zakim loves question marks

14:03:44 <ShaneM_>  zakim sucks

Shane McCarron: zakim sucks

14:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa

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14:04:14 <ShaneM_>  zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_

Shane McCarron: zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_

14:04:14 <Zakim> +ShaneM_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM_; got it

14:04:18 <Steven> I think it ought to be more accepting of questions without the marks

Steven Pemberton: I think it ought to be more accepting of questions without the marks

14:04:30 <Zakim> +gshults

Zakim IRC Bot: +gshults

14:04:46 <Steven>  zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here?

14:04:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults

14:04:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh

14:05:03 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

14:06:59 <Steven> Regrets: Gregory
14:07:36 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:08:11 <Steven> Topic: Announcements

1. Announcements

14:10:25 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

14:10:43 <Steven> Steven: I read the selectors API spec

Steven Pemberton: I read the selectors API spec

14:10:46 <Steven> ... no real comments

... no real comments

14:10:55 <Zakim> -??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10

14:11:01 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API

ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API

14:11:37 <Steven> FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF

FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF

14:11:43 <Steven> Topic: FtF

2. FtF

14:12:29 <Steven> Steven: Please fill in the form even if you can't come

Steven Pemberton: Please fill in the form even if you can't come

14:12:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, code?

14:12:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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14:13:17 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

14:13:22 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

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14:13:22 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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14:14:07 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

14:14:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck

14:14:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh

14:14:27 <Steven> Yam: Do we really have a three day agenda?

Toshihiko Yamakami: Do we really have a three day agenda?

14:14:37 <Steven> Roland: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2

Roland Merrick: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2

14:14:48 <Steven> ... and there is surelky other work to do

... and there is surelky other work to do

14:15:51 <Steven> Gerrie: Will ther eonly be IRC?

Gerrie Shults: Will ther eonly be IRC?

14:15:57 <Steven> Steven: Also Skype to my id

Steven Pemberton: Also Skype to my id

14:16:12 <Steven> Topic: ARIA

3. ARIA

14:16:24 <Steven> Roland: Neither RIck or Gregory here today

Roland Merrick: Neither RIck or Gregory here today

14:16:30 <Steven> Steven: I was expecting Rich today

Steven Pemberton: I was expecting Rich today

14:16:56 <Steven> Roland: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling

Roland Merrick: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling

14:17:01 <Steven> Topic: M12N

4. M12N

14:17:13 <Steven> Steven: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline

Steven Pemberton: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline

14:17:19 <Steven> Topic: RDFa

5. RDFa

14:17:34 <Steven> Roland: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page

Roland Merrick: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page

14:17:56 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax

14:18:06 <Steven> Shane: Lots of changing, all diff marked

Shane McCarron: Lots of changing, all diff marked

14:18:15 <Steven> ... we need to resolve to send it to last call

... we need to resolve to send it to last call

14:18:31 <Steven> ... there is an issue we have to take a decision on

... there is an issue we have to take a decision on

14:19:04 <Steven> ... we used values for @rel and @property from

... we used values for @rel and @property from

14:19:14 <Steven> ... XHTML2

... XHTML2

14:19:22 <Steven> ... and these are enumerated in the spec

... and these are enumerated in the spec

14:19:37 <alessio> sorry but I'm having serious trouble in connection, trying to rejoin

Alessio Cartocci: sorry but I'm having serious trouble in connection, trying to rejoin

14:20:11 <Steven> ... the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these

... the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these

14:20:25 <Steven> Shane: This is section 9

Shane McCarron: This is section 9

14:20:43 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes

14:21:24 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

14:21:53 <alessio> zakim, +P11 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +P11 is Alessio

14:21:53 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P11'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P11'

14:21:58 <alessio> zakim, +??P11 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +??P11 is Alessio

14:21:58 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'

14:22:08 <alessio> zakim, ??P11 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P11 is Alessio

14:22:08 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it

14:23:14 <Steven> Steven: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1

Steven Pemberton: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1

14:25:20 <ShaneM_>  there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa

Shane McCarron: there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa

14:26:25 <Steven> Steven: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list

Steven Pemberton: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list

14:26:29 <Steven> ... such as nofoloow

... such as nofoloow

14:26:43 <Steven> s/nofolooe/nofollow/

s/nofolooe/nofollow/ (warning: replacement failed)

14:27:03 <Steven> Shane: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile

Shane McCarron: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile

14:27:08 <Steven> Roland: Any other comments?

Roland Merrick: Any other comments?

14:27:19 <Steven> Shane: There is as yet no schema implementation

Shane McCarron: There is as yet no schema implementation

14:28:40 <Steven> ... but there is no problem with adding a schema later

... but there is no problem with adding a schema later

14:29:07 <Steven> Roland: Who do we want to comment on it at last call?

Roland Merrick: Who do we want to comment on it at last call?

14:31:06 <Steven> Steven: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest

Steven Pemberton: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest

14:31:52 <Steven> Mark: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb

Mark Birbeck: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb

14:32:00 <Steven> ... if we can match that that would be good

... if we can match that that would be good

14:33:49 <gshults> I do not

Gerrie Shults: I do not

14:34:16 <Steven> Steven: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propoise that we take this as a recomendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve

Steven Pemberton: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propoise that we take this as a recomendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve

14:34:26 <Steven> Roland: Let's make that resolution next wekk

Roland Merrick: Let's make that resolution next wekk

14:34:37 <Steven> ... this is due warning for people to review it this week

... this is due warning for people to review it this week

14:34:46 <Steven> s.wekk/week/

s.wekk/week/

14:35:09 <Steven> Topic: XHTML 1.1 SE

6. XHTML 1.1 SE

14:35:18 <Steven> Roland: Any change on this?

Roland Merrick: Any change on this?

14:35:24 <Steven> ... We talked about it last week\

... We talked about it last week\

14:35:33 <Steven> Shane: I update the draft

Shane McCarron: I update the draft

14:35:56 <Steven> Roland: so we are just waiting on M12N

Roland Merrick: so we are just waiting on M12N

14:36:27 <Steven> Topic: Bug in Basic

7. Bug in Basic

14:36:29 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html

14:37:00 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to check

ACTION: Shane to check bug in Basic 1.1

14:37:12 <Steven> s/check/check bug in Basic 1.1/
14:37:51 <Steven> Shane: hr is Basic right?

Shane McCarron: hr is Basic right?

14:37:54 <Steven> Steven: Yes

Steven Pemberton: Yes

14:38:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:38:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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14:39:03 <Steven> Topic: Role comments

8. Role comments

14:39:22 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html

14:42:12 <Steven> Steven: We don't require a DTD, jsut M12n

Steven Pemberton: We don't require a DTD, jsut M12n

14:42:34 <Steven> Shane: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD

Shane McCarron: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD

14:42:53 <Steven> Steven: How about: "XHTML doesn't

Steven Pemberton: How about: "XHTML doesn't

14:42:53 <Steven> > really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is

> really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is

14:42:53 <Steven> > loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)."

> loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)."

14:42:58 <Steven> Steven: Do we agree?

Steven Pemberton: Do we agree?

14:43:02 <Steven> Roland: No

Roland Merrick: No

14:49:03 <Steven> Shane: We don't say anything about it

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Shane McCarron: We don't say anything about it

14:49:14 <Steven> Steven: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML

Steven Pemberton: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML

14:51:25 <Steven> ... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant wit the DTD/schema

... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant wit the DTD/schema

14:56:18 <Steven> Steven: I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec

Steven Pemberton: I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec

14:56:35 <Steven> Shane: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value

Shane McCarron: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value

15:01:13 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

15:01:41 <Steven> ... and about non-prefixed values that aren;'t in our set

... and about non-prefixed values that aren;'t in our set

15:02:47 <Steven> Steven: Either leave it to the host languag, or require it to be ignored

Steven Pemberton: Either leave it to the host languag, or require it to be ignored

15:03:02 <Steven> ... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec

... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec

15:03:26 <Steven> Steven: We ignore similar rel values don't we?

Steven Pemberton: We ignore similar rel values don't we?

15:03:30 <Steven> Mark: We do now

Mark Birbeck: We do now

15:03:39 <markbirbeck> rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)*

Mark Birbeck: rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)*

15:04:15 <Steven> Steven: We may as well do the same for role

Steven Pemberton: We may as well do the same for role

15:04:44 <Steven> ... it would be consistent

... it would be consistent

15:04:54 <Steven> Mark: They should come from the same taxonomy

Mark Birbeck: They should come from the same taxonomy

15:05:09 <Steven> ... since a role ccould have a rel value

... since a role could have a rel value

15:05:16 <Steven> s/cc/c/
15:06:10 <Steven> RESOLUTION: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored

RESOLVED: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored

15:06:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM_

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM_

15:06:11 <Zakim> -Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland

15:06:12 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck

15:06:13 <Zakim> -gshults

Zakim IRC Bot: -gshults

15:06:17 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:06:20 <Zakim> -yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx

15:06:22 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended

15:06:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio

15:06:39 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

15:06:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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