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15:01:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-irc ←
15:02:00 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
15:02:06 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started ←
15:02:09 <Roland> questionaire is at: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/XHTML2calltime/
Roland Merrick: questionaire is at: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/XHTML2calltime/ ←
15:02:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM ←
15:02:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, markbirbeck, yamx, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, markbirbeck, yamx, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, krijnh ←
15:02:18 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:02:18 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
15:02:19 <Tina> Well - an hour earlier than the usual 4pm /was/ an hour ago. I can't call out at the moment.
Tina Holmboe: Well - an hour earlier than the usual 4pm /was/ an hour ago. I can't call out at the moment. ←
15:02:19 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
15:02:37 <markbirbeck> Note that I took the minutes last time. :)
Mark Birbeck: Note that I took the minutes last time. :) ←
15:03:02 <markbirbeck> One hour later for Japan, now one hour earlier for us. :)
Mark Birbeck: One hour later for Japan, now one hour earlier for us. :) ←
15:03:15 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0018
15:03:22 <markbirbeck> (now I mean, not for future calls)
Mark Birbeck: (now I mean, not for future calls) ←
15:03:25 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0018
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0018 ←
15:03:38 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
15:03:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:03:48 <yamx> zakim, ??P8 is yamx
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Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P8 is yamx ←
15:03:48 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
15:04:00 <ShaneM> what time is it UTC now? Losing my mind
Shane McCarron: what time is it UTC now? Losing my mind ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:04:25 <Roland> this week the call takes place at 15:00-15:59UTC
Roland Merrick: this week the call takes place at 15:00-15:59UTC ←
15:04:27 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
15:04:27 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
15:04:56 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
Mark Birbeck: zakim, mute me ←
15:04:56 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should now be muted ←
15:04:57 <Steven> It was proposed that we make the call an hour earlier, but didn't resolve to do that
Steven Pemberton: It was proposed that we make the call an hour earlier, but didn't resolve to do that ←
15:05:16 <Steven> But I've made the questionnaire to make sure everyone gets to speak
Steven Pemberton: But I've made the questionnaire to make sure everyone gets to speak ←
15:06:04 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:06:29 <alessio> zakim, ??P11 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P11 is Alessio ←
15:06:29 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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15:06:37 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:06:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Steven, yamx, markbirbeck (muted), Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Steven, yamx, markbirbeck (muted), Alessio ←
15:07:26 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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15:07:52 <Steven> scribenick: oedipus
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(Scribe set to Unknown oedipus)
15:08:05 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
Mark Birbeck: zakim, unmute me ←
15:08:05 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should no longer be muted ←
15:09:03 <oedipus> SP: apologies for time confusion -- only proposed to make call an hour earlier -- questionnaire about telecon times (doubt whether will be able to change in a week's time) - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0115
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Steven Pemberton: apologies for time confusion -- only proposed to make call an hour earlier -- questionnaire about telecon times (doubt whether will be able to change in a week's time) - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0115 ←
15:09:16 <oedipus> SP: thank you yam, thank you shane
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Steven Pemberton: thank you yam, thank you shane ←
15:09:20 <oedipus> SP: quick review of F2F
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Steven Pemberton: quick review of F2F ←
15:10:05 <oedipus> SP: went rather well; large amount of work done, came out with good idea of how to move in future, especially in regards HTML5; if position ourselves as authoring format first, should be no grounds for complaint
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Steven Pemberton: went rather well; large amount of work done, came out with good idea of how to move in future, especially in regards HTML5; if position ourselves as authoring format first, should be no grounds for complaint ←
15:10:45 <oedipus> SP: until not very long ago (in cosmic time) could use diff namespace from XHTML1 -- a lot of complaints received; last f2f before rechartering, resolved to change NS back to XHTML1
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Steven Pemberton: until not very long ago (in cosmic time) could use diff namespace from XHTML1 -- a lot of complaints received; last f2f before rechartering, resolved to change NS back to XHTML1 ←
15:11:24 <oedipus> SP: option: change back to xhtml2 NS that we used to use; may help relations with HTML WG
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Steven Pemberton: option: change back to xhtml2 NS that we used to use; may help relations with HTML WG ←
15:11:37 <Tina> I am, at the moment, unable to call in. There's no reception where I am. However, I'd like to add to that, ref. the agenda and HTML 5: it's not this WGs job to decide on a name for the serialisation of HTML 5. It is, however, /this/ group's job to work with XHTML - that name is not one the HTML WG can use in the future.
Tina Holmboe: I am, at the moment, unable to call in. There's no reception where I am. However, I'd like to add to that, ref. the agenda and HTML 5: it's not this WGs job to decide on a name for the serialisation of HTML 5. It is, however, /this/ group's job to work with XHTML - that name is not one the HTML WG can use in the future. ←
15:11:40 <oedipus> MB: why don't they get out of our NS? we were there first
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Mark Birbeck: why don't they get out of our NS? we were there first ←
15:12:35 <oedipus> SP: don't think will ever do that; DanC doesn't seem to think a big deal that we have same NS; i thought chairs' position would be "have to solve this problem" -- xhtml1 NS shared by HTML/XHTML
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Steven Pemberton: don't think will ever do that; DanC doesn't seem to think a big deal that we have same NS; i thought chairs' position would be "have to solve this problem" -- xhtml1 NS shared by HTML/XHTML ←
15:13:03 <oedipus> MB: write access to NS is this WG's purview
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Mark Birbeck: write access to NS is this WG's purview ←
15:13:36 <oedipus> Shane: like to discuss in context of modularization -- haven't gotten impression that are heading in same direction; why then change NS?
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Shane McCarron: like to discuss in context of modularization -- haven't gotten impression that are heading in same direction; why then change NS? ←
15:13:51 <ShaneM> s/Shane/Mark/
Shane McCarron: s/Shane/Mark/ ←
15:13:53 <oedipus> SP: largely agree; bear in mind for future discussions
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Steven Pemberton: largely agree; bear in mind for future discussions ←
15:14:38 <oedipus> Roland: by thursday, believed doing something separate from HTML5; ended up the week comfortable and happy with situation
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Roland Merrick: by thursday, believed doing something separate from HTML5; ended up the week comfortable and happy with situation ←
15:14:59 <oedipus> SP: was on an up at end of week; lot of people approached with support for XHTML2; even someone who might join WG
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Steven Pemberton: was on an up at end of week; lot of people approached with support for XHTML2; even someone who might join WG ←
15:16:21 <oedipus> SP: another point - on TP day, was panel about HTML5 versus XHTML2 -- watching IRC channel, common question was "why isn't steven p up there?" -- think that worked in our favor; presenters Anne Van Kestren, HenriS, RichS and AlG
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Steven Pemberton: another point - on TP day, was panel about HTML5 versus XHTML2 -- watching IRC channel, common question was "why isn't steven p up there?" -- think that worked in our favor; presenters Anne Van Kestren, HenriS, RichS and AlG ←
15:16:38 <oedipus> Shane: invited at last minute, but was in berlin; still don't understand why SP not on panel
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Shane McCarron: invited at last minute, but was in berlin; still don't understand why SP not on panel ←
15:16:58 <oedipus> SP: no chairs and no team members on panel
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Steven Pemberton: no chairs and no team members on panel ←
15:17:30 <oedipus> SP: talked with public -- not case of either or -- 2 WGs doing quite different things
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Steven Pemberton: talked with public -- not case of either or -- 2 WGs doing quite different things ←
15:17:48 <oedipus> SP: a lot of strategy discussion on day 1
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Steven Pemberton: a lot of strategy discussion on day 1 ←
15:18:15 <oedipus> SP: day 2 - discussed role and publications and WG's roadmap -- updated roadmap (separate agenda item)
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Steven Pemberton: day 2 - discussed role and publications and WG's roadmap -- updated roadmap (separate agenda item) ←
15:18:44 <oedipus> SP: came out on an up note -- good meeting internally and externally; have good arguments for why need for XHTML2 as well as HTML5
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Steven Pemberton: came out on an up note -- good meeting internally and externally; have good arguments for why need for XHTML2 as well as HTML5 ←
15:18:53 <oedipus> TOPIC: Future F2F Meetings
15:19:29 <oedipus> PS: 2 things: uncoupled from Forms WG (have always met in same forum in same week); second, in attempt to get more attendance, reduced number of meetings from 4 to 3 a year
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Steven Pemberton: 2 things: uncoupled from Forms WG (have always met in same forum in same week); second, in attempt to get more attendance, reduced number of meetings from 4 to 3 a year ←
15:19:36 <oedipus> s/PS/SP
15:19:53 <oedipus> SP: week in february, week in june, tech plenary next year
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Steven Pemberton: week in february, week in june, tech plenary next year ←
15:20:06 <oedipus> SP: alessio offered to host in Venice next february --
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Steven Pemberton: alessio offered to host in Venice next february -- ←
15:20:28 <oedipus> SP: 16th or 17th june in northeastern U.S. -- shane, is there possibility of you hosting?
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Steven Pemberton: 16th or 17th june in northeastern U.S. -- shane, is there possibility of you hosting? ←
15:20:38 <oedipus> Shane: not anywhere near northeast
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Shane McCarron: not anywhere near northeast ←
15:20:52 <oedipus> Shane: in dead-center fly-over america
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Shane McCarron: in dead-center fly-over america ←
15:21:10 <oedipus> SP: would holding meeting in US make more likely could attend?
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Steven Pemberton: would holding meeting in US make more likely could attend? ←
15:21:14 <oedipus> Shane: absolutely
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Shane McCarron: absolutely ←
15:21:35 <oedipus> SP: W3C could host in Boston or Google in NYC, but could also move mountain to Shane
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Steven Pemberton: W3C could host in Boston or Google in NYC, but could also move mountain to Shane ←
15:21:43 <oedipus> SP: tech plenary in south of France
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Steven Pemberton: tech plenary in south of France ←
15:21:51 <oedipus> SP: comments?
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Steven Pemberton: comments? ←
15:22:10 <oedipus> scribe's note: general agreement/no dissent
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scribe's note: general agreement/no dissent ←
15:22:14 <oedipus> TOPIC: Roadmap
15:22:34 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml-roadmap/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml-roadmap/ ←
15:22:41 <oedipus> SP: interesting stuff under "New and Continuing" (consult URI above)
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Steven Pemberton: interesting stuff under "New and Continuing" (consult URI above) ←
15:23:20 <oedipus> SP: filled in a lot of data and updated a lot of dates; access module to go to first draft shortly and LC in february; same for XFrames and XML Events 2
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Steven Pemberton: filled in a lot of data and updated a lot of dates; access module to go to first draft shortly and LC in february; same for XFrames and XML Events 2 ←
15:23:35 <oedipus> SP: major highlights/benchmarks
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Steven Pemberton: major highlights/benchmarks ←
15:24:01 <oedipus> SP: have to decide to put XHTML Role out in new draft soon; draft mostly there
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Steven Pemberton: have to decide to put XHTML Role out in new draft soon; draft mostly there ←
15:24:03 <oedipus> q+
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q+ ←
15:24:27 <oedipus> Roland: review of Access Module, XFrames and XML Events 2
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Roland Merrick: review of Access Module, XFrames and XML Events 2 ←
15:25:21 <oedipus> SP: at moment, difficult to get calls with 3 other people; one scheduled for tonight was cancelled; bottleneck is getting transition cores assigned; still in negotiation; within a week, should be clearer;
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Steven Pemberton: at moment, difficult to get calls with 3 other people; one scheduled for tonight was cancelled; bottleneck is getting transition cores assigned; still in negotiation; within a week, should be clearer; ←
15:25:32 <oedipus> SP: for XForms 1.1
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Steven Pemberton: for XForms 1.1 ←
15:26:14 <oedipus> Roland: don't need to do for XML Events 2; Access Module, need to write up draft based on recent changes; transition for modularization is the big one to get out of way
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Roland Merrick: don't need to do for XML Events 2; Access Module, need to write up draft based on recent changes; transition for modularization is the big one to get out of way ←
15:26:24 <oedipus> SP: troublesome scheduling, but in queue, and will happen
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Steven Pemberton: troublesome scheduling, but in queue, and will happen ←
15:26:40 <oedipus> Roland: Access Module draft ready for first public working draft?
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Roland Merrick: Access Module draft ready for first public working draft? ←
15:27:11 <oedipus> Shane: will make new one based on last (2 weeks ago) -- change in chameleon? draft needs to reflect that
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Shane McCarron: will make new one based on last (2 weeks ago) -- change in chameleon? draft needs to reflect that ←
15:27:27 <oedipus> SP: not sure resolved one way or another -- resolved to do so for Roles Module;
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Steven Pemberton: not sure resolved one way or another -- resolved to do so for Roles Module; ←
15:27:48 <oedipus> SP: stick with what you have for now, Shane
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Steven Pemberton: stick with what you have for now, Shane ←
15:28:11 <oedipus> Roland: first working draft -- finalize, let me know, and will put in transition request
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Roland Merrick: first working draft -- finalize, let me know, and will put in transition request ←
15:28:18 <oedipus> Shane: changed MUST to SHOULD
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Shane McCarron: changed MUST to SHOULD ←
15:28:24 <oedipus> Roland: right
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Roland Merrick: right ←
15:28:48 <oedipus> SP: nothing that requires for elements as does for attributes; relaxing rule for attributes, but don't need to do anything for elements
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Steven Pemberton: nothing that requires for elements as does for attributes; relaxing rule for attributes, but don't need to do anything for elements ←
15:29:18 <oedipus> Yam: will define role, access -- part of modularization 1.1 or 1.2 or 2.0?
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Toshihiko Yamakami: will define role, access -- part of modularization 1.1 or 1.2 or 2.0? ←
15:29:30 <oedipus> SP: part of 1.1 -- only plan for modularization 2
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Steven Pemberton: part of 1.1 -- only plan for modularization 2 ←
15:29:45 <oedipus> Yam: all defined modules under modularization 1.1, right?
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Toshihiko Yamakami: all defined modules under modularization 1.1, right? ←
15:29:47 <oedipus> SP: yes
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Steven Pemberton: yes ←
15:30:00 <oedipus> Shane: not to roll into single draft
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Shane McCarron: not to roll into single draft ←
15:30:18 <oedipus> Yam: 1.1 framework -- could be useable with any 1.1 modularization
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Toshihiko Yamakami: 1.1 framework -- could be useable with any 1.1 modularization ←
15:30:21 <oedipus> SP: right
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Steven Pemberton: right ←
15:30:25 <oedipus> Yam: thank you
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Toshihiko Yamakami: thank you ←
15:30:57 <oedipus> Roland: access module needs date tweak and ready to go; mod 1.1 needs MUST to SHOULD change then ready to go; where are we with XML Events 2?
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Roland Merrick: access module needs date tweak and ready to go; mod 1.1 needs MUST to SHOULD change then ready to go; where are we with XML Events 2? ←
15:31:05 <oedipus> SP: have first draft of it
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Steven Pemberton: have first draft of it ←
15:31:11 <oedipus> Roland: any updated drafts?
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Roland Merrick: any updated drafts? ←
15:31:20 <oedipus> Shane: three comments last week
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Shane McCarron: three comments last week ←
15:31:26 <oedipus> Roland: need to discuss?
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Roland Merrick: need to discuss? ←
15:31:32 <oedipus> Shane: need to discuss
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Shane McCarron: need to discuss ←
15:31:54 <oedipus> q+ to ask if "title" as predefined role request from PFWG considered?
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q+ to ask if "title" as predefined role request from PFWG considered? ←
15:32:22 <oedipus> SP: used to have "handlers" draft which XML Events 2 superseedes (does handlers as well)
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Steven Pemberton: used to have "handlers" draft which XML Events 2 superseedes (does handlers as well) ←
15:33:31 <oedipus> SP: as result of comments, from WAI, i believe, for element within handler to say what handler trying to do -- mainly for accessibility -- inquire of thing "what do you do?" -- in XML Events 2 that element no longer exists
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Steven Pemberton: as result of comments, from WAI, i believe, for element within handler to say what handler trying to do -- mainly for accessibility -- inquire of thing "what do you do?" -- in XML Events 2 that element no longer exists ←
15:33:57 <oedipus> Shane: comments from Jon Boyer a few months ago re XML Events 2 and XForms
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Shane McCarron: comments from Jon Boyer a few months ago re XML Events 2 and XForms ←
15:34:02 <oedipus> SP: don't remember resolution
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Steven Pemberton: don't remember resolution ←
15:34:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:34:35 <oedipus> MB: vaguely remember that it was a misunderstanding in need of clarification -- have open action to reply
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Mark Birbeck: vaguely remember that it was a misunderstanding in need of clarification -- have open action to reply ←
15:34:40 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:35:02 <oedipus> MB: will reconstruct in mind and execute action
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Mark Birbeck: will reconstruct in mind and execute action ←
15:35:26 <oedipus> Roland: 10th of august date of comment
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Roland Merrick: 10th of august date of comment ←
15:35:34 <oedipus> Shane: in issue tracker as well
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Shane McCarron: in issue tracker as well ←
15:36:11 <oedipus> SP: don't think Rich's comment needs delay XML 2 Events draft being issued; not specific issue, but query about missing "purpose" element -- could do with RDFa
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Steven Pemberton: don't think Rich's comment needs delay XML 2 Events draft being issued; not specific issue, but query about missing "purpose" element -- could do with RDFa ←
15:36:36 <oedipus> Roland: wrote post on list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0020.html
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Roland Merrick: wrote post on list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0020.html ←
15:36:41 <oedipus> SP: metadata issue
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Steven Pemberton: metadata issue ←
15:37:00 <oedipus> Roland: define explanation for action in one place, even if triggered in multiple places
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Roland Merrick: define explanation for action in one place, even if triggered in multiple places ←
15:37:27 <oedipus> SP: if particular button is listening for an event and knows that event has handler, could make purpose known before activating button
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Steven Pemberton: if particular button is listening for an event and knows that event has handler, could make purpose known before activating button ←
15:37:39 <oedipus> Roland: could use to caption button
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Roland Merrick: could use to caption button ←
15:38:21 <oedipus> Shane: broader question: why not contain another module (XForms UI related elements) -- are we in a position to do that?
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Shane McCarron: broader question: why not contain another module (XForms UI related elements) -- are we in a position to do that? ←
15:38:38 <oedipus> Roland: created Role attribute, so could
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Roland Merrick: created Role attribute, so could ←
15:39:02 <oedipus> SP: can argue in charter -- undeniable part of doing XML Events 2 as chartered, may need to create a module
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Steven Pemberton: can argue in charter -- undeniable part of doing XML Events 2 as chartered, may need to create a module ←
15:39:15 <oedipus> SP: have to do as part of what chartered to do
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Steven Pemberton: have to do as part of what chartered to do ←
15:39:25 <oedipus> Shane: approach should be taking
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Shane McCarron: approach should be taking ←
15:39:37 <oedipus> Shane: similar to backplane discussions in similar areas
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Shane McCarron: similar to backplane discussions in similar areas ←
15:40:11 <oedipus> SP: backplane incubator group going to probably go ahead; W3C agreed on patent policy for app groups; charter for incubator group will be circulated soon
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Steven Pemberton: backplane incubator group going to probably go ahead; W3C agreed on patent policy for app groups; charter for incubator group will be circulated soon ←
15:40:20 <oedipus> zakim, queue
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zakim, queue ←
15:40:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'queue', oedipus
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'queue', oedipus ←
15:40:27 <Steven> q?
Steven Pemberton: q? ←
15:40:39 <Steven> ack oe
Steven Pemberton: ack oe ←
15:40:39 <Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to ask if "title" as predefined role request from PFWG considered?
Zakim IRC Bot: oedipus, you wanted to ask if "title" as predefined role request from PFWG considered? ←
15:40:51 <Roland> John Boyer Issues with XML Events 2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0011.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0012.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0013.html
Roland Merrick: John Boyer Issues with XML Events 2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0011.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0012.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0013.html ←
15:41:01 <markbirbeck> thanks Roland
Mark Birbeck: thanks Roland ←
15:41:27 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0123.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0123.html ←
15:41:42 <oedipus> ISSUE PR #8023
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ISSUE PR #8023 ←
15:42:03 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/RoleAttrib?id=8023
Shane McCarron: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/RoleAttrib?id=8023 ←
15:43:40 <oedipus> SP: functionality could be covered not with role, but using RDFa (property="DC.title") -- h1 property="DC.title"
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Steven Pemberton: functionality could be covered not with role, but using RDFa (property="DC.title") -- h1 property="DC.title" ←
15:43:49 <oedipus> Shane: no longer in RDFa
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Shane McCarron: no longer in RDFa ←
15:44:08 <oedipus> Shane: DC.title doesn't override TITLE element in context of XHTML 1.1
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Shane McCarron: DC.title doesn't override TITLE element in context of XHTML 1.1 ←
15:44:30 <oedipus> SP: in XHTML2 can say title is equivalent of DC.title
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Steven Pemberton: in XHTML2 can say title is equivalent of DC.title ←
15:44:38 <oedipus> shane: doesn't work in 1.1 framework
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Shane McCarron: doesn't work in 1.1 framework ←
15:44:57 <oedipus> SP: not sure i agree -- DC.title is "the" agreed property for giving document a title
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Steven Pemberton: not sure i agree -- DC.title is "the" agreed property for giving document a title ←
15:45:04 <oedipus> Shane: doesn't override TITLE element
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Shane McCarron: doesn't override TITLE element ←
15:45:18 <oedipus> SP: for PFWG use case, DC.title gives information
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Steven Pemberton: for PFWG use case, DC.title gives information ←
15:45:46 <oedipus> GJR: wanted something to take back to PF (telecon today)
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Unknown GJR: wanted something to take back to PF (telecon today) ←
15:46:02 <oedipus> SP: property="DC.title" seems to be what is needed
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Steven Pemberton: property="DC.title" seems to be what is needed ←
15:46:27 <oedipus> Shane: provide basic properties and let others extend roles; haven't mapped all roles to other vocabularies
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Shane McCarron: provide basic properties and let others extend roles; haven't mapped all roles to other vocabularies ←
15:46:45 <oedipus> SP: question is, what is the mapping from role -- is it anything more than what it is?
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Steven Pemberton: question is, what is the mapping from role -- is it anything more than what it is? ←
15:47:23 <oedipus> SP: if trying to extract info from doc with roles and properties, property= would be best for title; "main" and "secondary" different from "title"
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Steven Pemberton: if trying to extract info from doc with roles and properties, property= would be best for title; "main" and "secondary" different from "title" ←
15:48:35 <oedipus> GJR: unminuted comments
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Unknown GJR: unminuted comments ←
15:48:53 <oedipus> SP: RDFa addresses problem -- will reply to comment
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Steven Pemberton: RDFa addresses problem -- will reply to comment ←
15:49:47 <oedipus> Shane: wants to relate to title element?
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Shane McCarron: wants to relate to title element? ←
15:49:56 <oedipus> GJR: more general req b/c CDF
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Unknown GJR: more general req b/c CDF ←
15:50:24 <oedipus> SP: RDFa allows one to give titles as requested
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Steven Pemberton: RDFa allows one to give titles as requested ←
15:51:08 <oedipus> Shane: maybe mark and i need to review comments received in august -- didn't understand many of them in the XForms world
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Shane McCarron: maybe mark and i need to review comments received in august -- didn't understand many of them in the XForms world ←
15:52:27 <oedipus> what is genesis if XML Events 2 comment 8031 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0023.html
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what is genesis if XML Events 2 comment 8031 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0023.html ←
15:52:44 <oedipus> SP: running out of time, want to address XHTML Basic 1.1 with Yam
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Steven Pemberton: running out of time, want to address XHTML Basic 1.1 with Yam ←
15:53:01 <oedipus> Yam: for 2 seperate implementations can use the entire test report, right?
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Toshihiko Yamakami: for 2 seperate implementations can use the entire test report, right? ←
15:53:10 <oedipus> SP: really need testing of target mode
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Steven Pemberton: really need testing of input mode ←
15:53:16 <oedipus> s/target/input
15:53:56 <oedipus> Yam: our team will make internal version -- input mode attached to core to implement input mode syntax; by end of november will submit report to w3c
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Toshihiko Yamakami: our team will make internal version -- input mode attached to core to implement input mode syntax; by end of november will submit report to w3c ←
15:54:03 <oedipus> SP: fantastic -- just what is needed
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Steven Pemberton: fantastic -- just what is needed ←
15:54:31 <oedipus> TOPIC: TAG Role Comment
15:55:20 <oedipus> SP: TAG issue with CURIES used in place of IRI references
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Steven Pemberton: TAG issue with CURIES used in place of IRI references ←
15:55:40 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0013
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0013 ←
15:57:01 <oedipus> Shane: not really comment on Role; i think our answer should be that we use CURIEs in new contexts -- don't care what processors do -- for application use, not processor use
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Shane McCarron: not really comment on Role; i think our answer should be that we use CURIEs in new contexts -- don't care what processors do -- for application use, not processor use ←
15:57:08 <oedipus> SP: depends upon definition of processor
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Steven Pemberton: depends upon definition of processor ←
15:57:27 <Steven> Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/263f692a0710310622l16332b39k9b236192f7dc1e4a@mail.gmail.com>
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15:57:36 <oedipus> Shane: an app that cares about it needs it, otherwise, it is just a string
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Shane McCarron: an app that cares about it needs it, otherwise, it is just a string ←
15:59:30 <oedipus> SP: who cares? RDFa processor -- represent URIs -- processor might offer option to deference it; worried about CURIES going over the wire; gone out of our way to make sure that in ambiguous contexts have an ambiguous way to address; used in wikis -- not sure that such a big problem -- if processor doesn't do anything with them, then what goes over the wire is not a valid URI -- if knows about them, can go over the wire; similar to IRIs -- existing UA using IR
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Steven Pemberton: who cares? RDFa processor -- represent URIs -- processor might offer option to deference it; worried about CURIES going over the wire; gone out of our way to make sure that in ambiguous contexts have an ambiguous way to address; used in wikis -- not sure that such a big problem -- if processor doesn't do anything with them, then what goes over the wire is not a valid URI -- if knows about them, can go over the wire; similar to IRIs -- existing UA using IR ←
15:59:49 <oedipus> Roland: UAs have to declare support for IRI
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Roland Merrick: UAs have to declare support for IRI ←
16:00:05 <oedipus> SP: can put into HREF but not going to convert to proper URI
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Steven Pemberton: can put into HREF but not going to convert to proper URI ←
16:00:22 <oedipus> Roland: processor has to change to accomodate IRIs --
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Roland Merrick: processor has to change to accomodate IRIs -- ←
16:00:38 <oedipus> SP: don't use IRIs, but think we should
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Steven Pemberton: don't use IRIs, but think we should ←
16:01:11 <oedipus> Shane: don't use CURIES anywhere where must be decoded to URI -- does not live in HREF spec; not permitted in HREF
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Shane McCarron: don't use CURIES anywhere where must be decoded to URI -- does not live in HREF spec; not permitted in HREF ←
16:01:17 <oedipus> Shane: nor in source
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Shane McCarron: nor in source ←
16:01:46 <oedipus> SP: allow CURIES in LINK...
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Steven Pemberton: allow CURIES in LINK... ←
16:01:55 <oedipus> Shane: rel doesn't get dereferenced
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Shane McCarron: rel doesn't get dereferenced ←
16:02:02 <oedipus> SP: right HREF deferenced
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Steven Pemberton: right HREF dereferenced ←
16:02:12 <Roland> Shanes response to TAG Role Comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0023.html
Roland Merrick: Shanes response to TAG Role Comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0023.html ←
16:02:13 <oedipus> s/deferenced/dereferenced
16:02:40 <oedipus> Shane: do existing processors need do anything with CURIES - answer is NO
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Shane McCarron: do existing processors need do anything with CURIES - answer is NO ←
16:03:29 <oedipus> Roland: 2 aspects -- does the syntax (such as of an attribute value) have to change -- answer would be no
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Roland Merrick: 2 aspects -- does the syntax (such as of an attribute value) have to change -- answer would be no ←
16:04:07 <oedipus> Shane: mistake to respond to a question that hasn't been asked
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Shane McCarron: mistake to respond to a question that hasn't been asked ←
16:04:21 <oedipus> Shane: thought replied to explicitly asked question...
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Shane McCarron: thought replied to explicitly asked question... ←
16:04:42 <oedipus> SP: ping stuart for context or leave with Shane's answer
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Steven Pemberton: ping stuart for context or leave with Shane's answer ←
16:04:57 <oedipus> Roland: if WG has consensus, could resend as formal response
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Roland Merrick: if WG has consensus, could resend as formal response ←
16:05:08 <oedipus> SP: discuss next week --
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Steven Pemberton: discuss next week -- ←
16:05:19 <oedipus> SP: no call next week -- next call in 2 week's time
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Steven Pemberton: no call next week -- next call in 2 week's time ←
16:05:39 <oedipus> SP: can have call if no objections
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Steven Pemberton: can have call if no objections ←
16:05:40 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
16:05:41 <markbirbeck> Shane...they effectively ask two questions.
Mark Birbeck: Shane...they effectively ask two questions. ←
16:05:44 <oedipus> none logged
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none logged ←
16:05:57 <alessio> no objections me too
Alessio Cartocci: no objections me too ←
16:06:01 <Zakim> -yamx
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Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
16:06:03 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
16:06:05 <oedipus> SP: will have a call next week (21 November 2007) at same time 1700z
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Steven Pemberton: will have a call next week (21 November 2007) at same time 1700z ←
16:06:09 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
16:06:11 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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16:06:29 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
16:06:44 <oedipus> present?
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present? ←
16:06:47 <Steven> I'll do the minutes Gregopry
Steven Pemberton: I'll do the minutes Gregopry ←
16:06:56 <Steven> thanks for scribing
Steven Pemberton: thanks for scribing ←
16:07:01 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
16:07:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita ←
16:07:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, markbirbeck, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, markbirbeck, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, krijnh ←
16:07:08 <Steven> zakim, drop Gregory
Steven Pemberton: zakim, drop Gregory ←
16:07:08 <Zakim> Gregory_Rosmaita is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Gregory_Rosmaita is being disconnected ←
16:07:11 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
16:07:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, yamx, markbirbeck, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, yamx, markbirbeck, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
16:07:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:07:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
16:08:45 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
16:08:59 <Steven> Chair: Steven/Roland
Scribe problem: the name 'Steven/Roland' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami
16:09:11 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:09:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
16:10:41 <Steven> Scribe: Gregory
Scribe problem: the name 'Gregory' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(Scribe set to Unknown Gregory)
16:10:47 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:10:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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