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Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference

Minutes of 10 October 2007

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0039
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Mark Birbeck, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Roland Merrick, Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe, Unknown yamx
Regrets
Tina Holmboe, Alessio Cartocci
Chair
Roland Merrick, Steven Pemberton
Scribe
Roland Merrick
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. publish first WD of RDF/A syntax link
Topics

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13:56:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

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13:56:25 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

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13:56:25 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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13:56:34 <alessio> hallo

Alessio Cartocci: hallo

13:56:42 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:56:55 <Steven> Chair: Roland, Steven
13:58:46 <Steven> Regrets: Tina, Alessio
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13:59:09 <Zakim> +Roland

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13:59:20 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0039
13:59:26 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0039

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0039

14:00:46 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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14:00:46 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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14:00:47 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:02:43 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, codes?

14:02:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.

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14:02:52 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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14:02:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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14:02:53 <Schnitz> zakim, code?

Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, code?

14:02:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz

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14:03:32 <Zakim> +??P22

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14:03:45 <yamx> zakim, ?P22 is yamx

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Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: zakim, ?P22 is yamx

14:03:45 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'

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14:03:47 <Zakim> +??P27

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14:03:54 <yamx> zakim, ??P22 is yamx

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Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P22 is yamx

14:03:55 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

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14:04:06 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p27 is me

Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, ??p27 is me

14:04:06 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it

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14:04:13 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me

Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, mute me

14:04:13 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted

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14:05:18 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here?

14:05:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see +013868aaaa, Steven, yamx, Schnitz (muted)

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14:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, Schnitz, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Roland, Steven, myakura, ShaneM, krijnh

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14:05:19 <Zakim> +markbirbeck

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14:05:33 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is ROland

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14:05:33 <Zakim> +ROland; got it

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14:05:43 <Steven> zakim, ROland is Roland

Steven Pemberton: zakim, ROland is Roland

14:05:43 <Zakim> +Roland; got it

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14:06:35 <Steven> ShaneM? Are you there?

Steven Pemberton: ShaneM? Are you there?

14:07:05 <Zakim> +??P29

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14:07:49 <Rich> Zakim, ??P29 is Rich

Richard Schwerdtfeger: Zakim, ??P29 is Rich

14:07:49 <Zakim> +Rich; got it

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14:09:16 <Steven> Scribe: Roland

(Scribe set to Roland Merrick)

14:10:11 <Roland> Semantic Web f2f earlier this week

Semantic Web f2f earlier this week

14:10:34 <Roland> RDF/A developed in conjunction with this group

RDF/A developed in conjunction with this group

14:10:53 <Roland> they resolved to publish first WD of RDF/A syntax

they resolved to publish first WD of RDF/A syntax

14:11:24 <Roland> some changes still needed, Mark and Shane are making them.

some changes still needed, Mark and Shane are making them.

14:11:29 <Rich> +1

Richard Schwerdtfeger: +1

14:11:51 <Roland> no one objects to resolution to publish

no one objects to resolution to publish

14:12:11 <Roland> RESOLUTION: publish first WD of RDF/A syntax

RESOLVED: publish first WD of RDF/A syntax

14:12:41 <Roland> Testing XHTML Basic 1.1

Testing XHTML Basic 1.1

14:13:46 <Roland> Steven proposes that we have a backup plan for testing in the event that testing doesn't take place at the next OMA test fest

Steven proposes that we have a backup plan for testing in the event that testing doesn't take place at the next OMA test fest

14:14:34 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

14:14:46 <ShaneM>  zakim, ??P33 is me

Shane McCarron: zakim, ??P33 is me

14:14:46 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it

14:16:30 <Roland> we should test an implementation of even optional features, specifically inputmode

we should test an implementation of even optional features, specifically inputmode

14:17:36 <Roland> ACTION: Yam contact ACCESS to check on their support for inputmode

ACTION: Yam contact ACCESS to check on their support for inputmode

14:18:20 <Roland> TOPIC: ITS Best practices

1. ITS Best practices

14:18:54 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#integration-its-xhtmlmod

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#integration-its-xhtmlmod

14:19:10 <Roland> seeking our feedback, so we should review

seeking our feedback, so we should review

14:19:43 <Roland> ACTION: Shane, Mark and Steven will review

ACTION: Shane, Mark and Steven will review

14:20:24 <Roland> TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 - xml:space in validator

2. XHTML 1.1 - xml:space in validator

14:20:42 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023

14:20:48 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023

Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023

14:23:02 <Roland> XHTML 1.1 has a WD for the 2nd Edition version.

XHTML 1.1 has a WD for the 2nd Edition version.

14:23:29 <Roland> ACTION: Shane will follow up to clarify the issue

ACTION: Shane will follow up to clarify the issue

14:23:49 <Roland> TOPIC: Role last call

3. Role last call

14:24:00 <Roland> look at a few comments. . .

look at a few comments. . .

14:24:21 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0035

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0035

14:24:33 <Roland> mostly editorial comments

mostly editorial comments

14:27:49 <Roland> needs to be added to LC issues even though not sent to editor list

needs to be added to LC issues even though not sent to editor list

14:28:31 <Roland> a whole series of threads have appeared dealing with how to handle role in HTML

a whole series of threads have appeared dealing with how to handle role in HTML

14:33:49 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0033.html

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Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0033.html

14:34:39 <Roland> issue of QNAMES in attributes

issue of QNAMES in attributes

14:35:06 <Steven> "There is nothing in the Namespaces spec that in any

Steven Pemberton: "There is nothing in the Namespaces spec that in any

14:35:06 <Steven> way indicates that a qualified name may apear in an attribute value.

Steven Pemberton: way indicates that a qualified name may apear in an attribute value.

14:35:06 <Steven> There is no standard way to indicate the namespace mappings in scope for

Steven Pemberton: There is no standard way to indicate the namespace mappings in scope for

14:35:06 <Steven> an attribute *value* as distinct from an attribute *name*."

Steven Pemberton: an attribute *value* as distinct from an attribute *name*."

14:38:59 <ShaneM>  @cprefix="prefix URI [prefix2 URI2...]"

Shane McCarron: @cprefix="prefix URI [prefix2 URI2...]"

14:44:35 <Rich> I got this from the Simon Pieters today:

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Richard Schwerdtfeger: I got this from the Simon Pieters today:

14:44:36 <Rich>  From what I understand after speaking to Erik Dahlstrm, the SVG group

Richard Schwerdtfeger: From what I understand after speaking to Erik Dahlstrm, the SVG group

14:44:37 <Rich> wants to have role="" in SVG, but not the aria-foo="" attributes. I've

Richard Schwerdtfeger: wants to have role="" in SVG, but not the aria-foo="" attributes. I've

14:44:37 <Rich> updated the spec and the test cases to reflect this.

Richard Schwerdtfeger: updated the spec and the test cases to reflect this.

14:44:37 <Rich> This means that support for html:role="" can be removed altogether. (The

Richard Schwerdtfeger: This means that support for html:role="" can be removed altogether. (The

14:44:37 <Rich> Role Module spec doesn't say that UAs have to support them -- it actually

Richard Schwerdtfeger: Role Module spec doesn't say that UAs have to support them -- it actually

14:44:38 <Rich> doesn't have any conformance criteria for UAs at all, AFAICT.)

Richard Schwerdtfeger: doesn't have any conformance criteria for UAs at all, AFAICT.)

14:48:45 <Schnitz> ShaneM is correct..

Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: ShaneM is correct..

14:48:49 <markbirbeck> Propose @xh-role and @xh:role as both being defined in the role documentation.

Mark Birbeck: Propose @xh-role and @xh:role as both being defined in the role documentation.

14:56:59 <Roland> two issues to deal with:

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two issues to deal with:

14:57:13 <Roland> the attribute name

the attribute name

14:57:20 <Roland> the attribute values

the attribute values

15:00:52 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me

Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, unmute me

15:00:52 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should no longer be muted

15:01:16 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck

15:01:17 <Zakim> -yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx

15:01:18 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:01:20 <Zakim> -Schnitz

Zakim IRC Bot: -Schnitz

15:01:23 <Zakim> -Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich

15:01:34 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

15:01:38 <Roland> ACTION: Mark and Shane to explore the attribute vales issue in an update to the CURIEs ddraft.

ACTION: Mark and Shane to explore the attribute vales issue in an update to the CURIEs ddraft.

15:01:43 <Zakim> -Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland

15:01:46 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

15:01:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, yamx, Schnitz, markbirbeck, Roland, Rich, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, yamx, Schnitz, markbirbeck, Roland, Rich, ShaneM

15:07:41 <alessio> bye!

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Alessio Cartocci: bye!

15:54:15 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes

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rrsagent, make minutes

15:54:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-xhtml-minutes.html Roland

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