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14:06:13 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/26-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/26-xhtml-irc ←
14:06:34 <ShaneM> zakim, this is XHTML2
Shane McCarron: zakim, this is XHTML2 ←
14:06:34 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM; that matches IA_XHTML2()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ShaneM; that matches IA_XHTML2()10:00AM ←
14:06:49 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, codes? ←
14:06:49 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, markbirbeck. ←
14:06:57 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
14:06:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
14:07:04 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make public
Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make public ←
14:07:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public ', ShaneM. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public ', ShaneM. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
14:07:28 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
14:07:32 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
14:07:32 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '?' ←
14:07:41 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ?? ←
14:07:41 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '??'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '??' ←
14:07:50 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??22
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ??22 ←
14:07:50 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '??22'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '??22' ←
14:08:00 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??p22
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ??p22 ←
14:08:00 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
14:08:09 <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, who is here? ←
14:08:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see +013868aaaa, ??P18, ShaneM, ??P19, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +013868aaaa, ??P18, ShaneM, ??P19, markbirbeck ←
14:08:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, RRSAgent, ShaneM, yamx, alessio, Roland_, myakura, Lachy, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, RRSAgent, ShaneM, yamx, alessio, Roland_, myakura, Lachy, krijnh ←
14:08:36 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
14:08:47 <Roland_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0015.html
14:09:06 <alessio> zakim, ??P18 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P18 is Alessio ←
14:09:06 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:09:19 <ShaneM> Topic: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
14:09:36 <yamx> zakim ??P19 is me (maybe)
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim ??P19 is me (maybe) ←
14:09:49 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0035
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0035 ←
14:09:50 <markbirbeck> zakim, ? is yamx
Mark Birbeck: zakim, ? is yamx ←
14:09:50 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:10:28 <ShaneM> Yam reports that OMA testfest 20 was held 2nd week of september. He could not find the test results. He needs to check whether the results are just not available yet or whether they were not done.
Yam reports that OMA testfest 20 was held 2nd week of september. He could not find the test results. He needs to check whether the results are just not available yet or whether they were not done. ←
14:10:48 <ShaneM> ACTION: Yam to report on testfest status
ACTION: Yam to report on testfest status ←
14:11:47 <yamx> TestFest20 (OMA) was Sep 7 to Sep 14.
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: TestFest20 (OMA) was Sep 7 to Sep 14. ←
14:12:52 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
14:13:13 <Rich> Zakim, ??P8 is Rich
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Zakim, ??P8 is Rich ←
14:13:13 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it ←
14:13:22 <Roland_> XHTML Events 2 issues
Roland Merrick: XHTML Events 2 issues ←
14:13:22 <Roland_> Mark.B has an action to deal with XML 2 events issues from John.Boyer
Roland Merrick: Mark.B has an action to deal with XML 2 events issues from John.Boyer ←
14:13:27 <Roland_> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/29-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
Roland Merrick: ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/29-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←
14:16:21 <Roland_> Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup
Roland Merrick: Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup ←
14:16:22 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012 ←
14:16:37 <Roland_> Why is this an agenda item?
Roland Merrick: Why is this an agenda item? ←
14:18:58 <ShaneM> ACTION: Rich to sort out the proposal from Gregory as captured in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007May/0341.html
ACTION: Rich to sort out the proposal from Gregory as captured in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007May/0341.html ←
14:22:00 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Role and Access
14:23:06 <ShaneM> Steven has made the request for Role to go to last call.
Steven has made the request for Role to go to last call. ←
14:24:03 <ShaneM> TOPIC: longdesc
14:24:30 <ShaneM> We don't really know the context of this. Roland will figure out what this issue really is?
We don't really know the context of this. Roland will figure out what this issue really is? ←
14:24:34 <ShaneM> TOPIC: CURIES
14:25:35 <ShaneM> All issues raised about CURIEs have been addressed.
All issues raised about CURIEs have been addressed. ←
14:25:52 <ShaneM> TAG position has not been addressed - we are not sure there was a formal finding.
TAG position has not been addressed - we are not sure there was a formal finding. ←
14:27:23 <ShaneM> markbirbeck does not think that there is a formal position. He also points out that no one seems to be arguing that QNames are a good idea.
markbirbeck does not think that there is a formal position. He also points out that no one seems to be arguing that QNames are a good idea. ←
14:29:16 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to produce a new CURIEs doc that is consistent with the RDFa doc and make it public in a similar timeframe to when the RDFa document is made public.
ACTION: Shane to produce a new CURIEs doc that is consistent with the RDFa doc and make it public in a similar timeframe to when the RDFa document is made public. ←
14:29:23 <markbirbeck> I've searched for "http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#action01"
Mark Birbeck: I've searched for "ACTION-01"">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#ACTION-01" ←
14:29:36 <markbirbeck> and "CompactURIReferences-5"
Mark Birbeck: and "CompactURIReferences-5" ←
14:30:04 <markbirbeck> which are the references in the minutes about raising a TAG issue about CURIEs.
Mark Birbeck: which are the references in the minutes about raising a TAG issue about CURIEs. ←
14:30:24 <markbirbeck> The minutes have:
Mark Birbeck: The minutes have: ←
14:30:26 <markbirbeck> "ACTION: HST to circulate a candidate description to tag@w3.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]"
Mark Birbeck: "ACTION: HST to circulate a candidate description to tag@w3.org [recorded in ACTION-01]"">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-tagmem-minutes.html#ACTION-01]" ←
14:30:35 <markbirbeck> But I can't find a reference to Henry doing this action.
Mark Birbeck: But I can't find a reference to Henry doing this action. ←
14:32:37 <ShaneM> Plan is to get a first public working out as soon after next weeks semantic web meeting as possible.
Plan is to get a first public working out as soon after next weeks semantic web meeting as possible. ←
14:34:04 <markbirbeck> q+
Mark Birbeck: q+ ←
14:36:01 <ShaneM> Shane mentioned that we merged the xhtml-rdfa module document and the rdfa-syntax document editorially. there did not seem to be any concerns about this.
Shane mentioned that we merged the xhtml-rdfa module document and the rdfa-syntax document editorially. there did not seem to be any concerns about this. ←
14:36:17 <ShaneM> q-
q- ←
14:37:09 <ShaneM> Mark referred to a discussion about what the default prefix is for xhtml-defined reserved terms.
Mark referred to a discussion about what the default prefix is for xhtml-defined reserved terms. ←
14:37:48 <markbirbeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0237.html
Mark Birbeck: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0237.html ←
14:38:19 <ShaneM> Basically the issue is what happens when you have rel="next" - how does the term 'next' get converted to a full URI?
Basically the issue is what happens when you have rel="next" - how does the term 'next' get converted to a full URI? ←
14:38:48 <ShaneM> Proposal was that we use the xhtml namespace + the term (e.g. http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#next)
Proposal was that we use the xhtml namespace + the term (e.g. http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#next) ←
14:39:14 <ShaneM> new proposal is that we introduce a new prefix within the XHTML namespace and use that as the scoping mechanism for rel/rev values.
new proposal is that we introduce a new prefix within the XHTML namespace and use that as the scoping mechanism for rel/rev values. ←
14:39:31 <ShaneM> It will be discussed tomorrow in the RDFa task force call.
It will be discussed tomorrow in the RDFa task force call. ←
14:40:52 <markbirbeck> The proposal is to use: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/relations instead.
Mark Birbeck: The proposal is to use: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/relations# instead. ←
14:40:53 <ShaneM> Roland asked if there is anything else that might have similar problems?
Roland asked if there is anything else that might have similar problems? ←
14:41:03 <ShaneM> Shane mentioned that there are the values for @role
Shane mentioned that there are the values for @role ←
14:41:14 <markbirbeck> At the moment we also have: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/datatypes
Mark Birbeck: At the moment we also have: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/datatypes\ ←
14:41:47 <markbirbeck> s/relations in/relations# in/
14:43:30 <ShaneM> Shane thinks we should ensure that this default prefix can encompass the rel / rev values and the role values
Shane thinks we should ensure that this default prefix can encompass the rel / rev values and the role values ←
14:43:38 <markbirbeck> s/datatypes/datatypes\//
14:45:33 <ShaneM> Mark thinks we can probably just set the default prefix to be the XHTML namespace + '#' because that is really the version independent namespace for XHTML
Mark thinks we can probably just set the default prefix to be the XHTML namespace + '#' because that is really the version independent namespace for XHTML ←
14:47:08 <ShaneM> RESOLVED: The default prefix for CURIEs in XHTML family markup languages should be 'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#'
RESOLVED: The default prefix for CURIEs in XHTML family markup languages should be 'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#' ←
14:51:10 <Roland_> XML Events 2
Roland Merrick: XML Events 2 ←
14:51:11 <Roland_> Published: http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item22
Roland Merrick: Published: http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item22 ←
14:51:11 <Roland_> Namespace comment:
Roland Merrick: Namespace comment: ←
14:51:11 <Roland_>
14:51:11 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000 ←
14:52:21 <ShaneM> The issues raised in this comment have not all been resolved.
The issues raised in this comment have not all been resolved. ←
14:52:27 <ShaneM> Mark and Shane need to address this.
Mark and Shane need to address this. ←
14:52:39 <ShaneM> ACTION: Mark and Shane to address comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000
ACTION: Mark and Shane to address comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Feb/0000 ←
14:53:10 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 SE comments
TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 SE comments ←
14:53:15 <ShaneM> all those comments have been addressed.
all those comments have been addressed. ←
14:54:05 <ShaneM> is ready to be republished modulo that we need to put M12N 1.1 out again first.
is ready to be republished modulo that we need to put M12N 1.1 out again first. ←
14:55:14 <ShaneM> Steven has the action to get M12N 1.1 into CR.
Steven has the action to get M12N 1.1 into CR. ←
14:56:53 <ShaneM> ACTION: Everyone please review the action item list and report if actions assigned to you are done (via e-mail)
ACTION: Everyone please review the action item list and report if actions assigned to you are done (via e-mail) ←
14:58:29 <ShaneM> TOPIC: tech plenary f2f meeting
TOPIC: tech plenary f2f meeting ←
14:58:34 <ShaneM> Mark is not sure. Shane is not sure.
Mark is not sure. Shane is not sure. ←
14:58:59 <alessio> me too
Alessio Cartocci: me too ←
14:59:22 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:59:28 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:59:31 <ShaneM> RRSAgent, make minutes
RRSAgent, make minutes ←
14:59:32 <Zakim> -Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←
14:59:34 <Zakim> -yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
14:59:36 <Zakim> - +013868aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +013868aaaa ←
14:59:38 <ShaneM> [off] low tech crap
[off] low tech crap ←
14:59:42 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:59:44 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
14:59:46 <Roland_> :-)
Roland Merrick: :-) ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland_, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Alessio, yamx, Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland_, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Alessio, yamx, Rich ←
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