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13:55:11 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:55:11 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:55:22 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:55:35 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:56:42 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0029
13:56:50 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0029
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0029 ←
13:57:16 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio, Masataka Yakura, Roland Merrick
13:58:50 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
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13:58:57 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:00:57 <Zakim> +??P2
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14:01:15 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:01:15 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:01:17 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:01:20 <yamx> Zakim, ??P2 is yamx
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Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: Zakim, ??P2 is yamx ←
14:01:20 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
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14:01:58 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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14:01:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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14:02:07 <yamx> The inputmode resolution is OK for me.
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Unknown yamx: The inputmode resolution is OK for me. ←
14:02:56 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:03:01 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
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14:03:01 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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14:03:52 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
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14:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, yamx, Steven, markbirbeck
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14:03:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rich, markbirbeck, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rich, markbirbeck, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, krijnh ←
14:04:33 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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14:04:43 <Steven> zakim, [IBM is Rich
Steven Pemberton: zakim, [IBM is Rich ←
14:04:43 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
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14:08:50 <Steven> Scribe: Rich
(Scribe set to Richard Schwerdtfeger)
14:09:30 <Rich> Steven: we decided to cancel the face to face because not enough people were coming
Steven Pemberton: we decided to cancel the face to face because not enough people were coming ←
14:09:45 <Rich> Steven: we had only 2 people that signed up.
Steven Pemberton: we had only 2 people that signed up. ←
14:10:02 <Rich> Steven: we will have our face to face at the Technical Plenary in Cambridge
Steven Pemberton: we will have our face to face at the Technical Plenary in Cambridge ←
14:10:14 <oedipus> XHTML2 f2f at Plenary are at same time as HTML WG sessions at plenary
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Unknown oedipus: XHTML2 f2f at Plenary are at same time as HTML WG sessions at plenary ←
14:10:34 <Rich> Steven: I want to cover 2 things today for starters
Steven Pemberton: I want to cover 2 things today for starters ←
14:10:39 <Rich> Topic: Input Mode
14:10:59 <Rich> Steven: the forms group agreed the modifiers can apply to the default script
Steven Pemberton: the forms group agreed the modifiers can apply to the default script ←
14:11:15 <Rich> Steven: it is possible to have the default mode to digits
Steven Pemberton: it is possible to have the default mode to digits ←
14:11:32 <Rich> Steven: the modifiers apply to that default script
Steven Pemberton: the modifiers apply to that default script ←
14:11:49 <Rich> Steven: We do not have to change the test suite to match as the test suite assumes this already
Steven Pemberton: We do not have to change the test suite to match as the test suite assumes this already ←
14:11:53 <Rich> Topic: Role
14:12:23 <Rich> Steven: We did raise the last call to HTCG and it was agreed to have a short last call
Steven Pemberton: We did raise the last call to HTCG and it was agreed to have a short last call ←
14:12:37 <Rich> ACTION: Steven move the role document to last call.
ACTION: Steven move the role document to last call. ←
14:13:05 <Rich> Steven: the HTCG agreed to a 3 week last call period.
Steven Pemberton: the HTCG agreed to a 3 week last call period. ←
14:13:50 <Rich> Topic: Profile Attribute
14:14:10 <Rich> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0037.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0037.html ←
14:14:32 <Rich> Steven: we agreed to deprecate the profile attribute. It used to be on the head
Steven Pemberton: we agreed to deprecate the profile attribute. It used to be on the head ←
14:15:15 <Rich> Steven: You will find the wording for html 4 is strange. It refers to a single URI but that user agents can support multiple URIS by having space separated URIs
Steven Pemberton: You will find the wording for html 4 is strange. It refers to a single URI but that user agents can support multiple URIS by having space separated URIs ←
14:15:29 <Rich> Steven: It is better to have the profiles on links
Steven Pemberton: It is better to have the profiles on links ←
14:15:46 <Rich> Steven: <link rel=profile .. and then the uri
Steven Pemberton: <link rel=profile .. and then the uri ←
14:16:14 <Rich> Steven: What is being asked is that the profile attribute be kept
Steven Pemberton: What is being asked is that the profile attribute be kept ←
14:16:37 <Rich> Steven: It is not clear that he understand that the profile attribute has been moved but not removed
Steven Pemberton: It is not clear that he understand that the profile attribute has been moved but not removed ←
14:17:18 <Rich> Steven: I don't know if Hal Holpin understands that.
Steven Pemberton: I don't know if Hal Halpin understands that. ←
14:17:37 <Steven> s/Holpin/Halpin/
14:18:15 <myakura> He understood that (when i joined #grddl-wg and talked a bit about that)
Masataka Yakura: He understood that (when i joined #grddl-wg and talked a bit about that) ←
14:18:58 <Rich> Steven: Masataka clarified what we have done in a note but he did not appear to reply.
Steven Pemberton: Masataka clarified what we have done in a note but he did not appear to reply. ←
14:18:58 <Steven> Ah! OK thanks
Steven Pemberton: Ah! OK thanks ←
14:19:33 <myakura> yet he seemed to want xhtml2 to be not compartible w/ the current grddl implementation (i.e. @profile)
Masataka Yakura: yet he seemed to want xhtml2 to be not compartible w/ the current grddl implementation (i.e. @profile) ←
14:19:45 <Rich> Steven: Should we require grddl to only look at the profile attribute?
Steven Pemberton: Should we require grddl to only look at the profile attribute? ←
14:20:12 <Rich> Steven: Profile is so obviously better in link. It is much more explicit.
Steven Pemberton: Profile is so obviously better in link. It is much more explicit. ←
14:20:30 <Rich> Steven: it benefits him with the entire semantics storing mechanism.
Steven Pemberton: it benefits him with the entire semantics storing mechanism. ←
14:20:36 <oedipus> +1 for future-looking profile rather than legacy link & its vagueness
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Unknown oedipus: +1 for future-looking profile rather than legacy link & its vagueness ←
14:20:59 <oedipus> Rich: cleaner with link - in line with whatever else is going on
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: cleaner with link - in line with whatever else is going on [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←
14:21:35 <Rich> Steven: Some people believe we should be backward compatible and old markup should still work.
Steven Pemberton: Some people believe we should be backward compatible and old markup should still work. ←
14:21:50 <Rich> Mark: The thing is for Hal - can you support both?
Mark Birbeck: The thing is for Hal - can you support both? ←
14:22:09 <Rich> Mark: they are processing the document outside the browser
Mark Birbeck: they are processing the document outside the browser ←
14:22:41 <Rich> Steven: we should leave it as it is now with the link rel vehicle until we see a message from Hal
Steven Pemberton: we should leave it as it is now with the link rel vehicle until we see a message from Hal ←
14:22:57 <Rich> Steven: I will send him a message and see if he responds.
Steven Pemberton: I will send him a message and see if he responds. ←
14:23:30 <Rich> Topic: XHTML Events 2 issues
14:23:41 <Rich> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0011
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0011 ←
14:23:41 <Rich> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0012
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0012 ←
14:23:41 <Rich> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0013
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0013 ←
14:23:50 <Steven> Issues with phase attribute in XML Events 2
Steven Pemberton: Issues with phase attribute in XML Events 2 ←
14:24:07 <Rich> Steven: discuss this first: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0011
Steven Pemberton: discuss this first: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0011 ←
14:24:40 <Rich> Steven: The comment from John: It is odd that you can handle an event in the capture phase and you can
Steven Pemberton: The comment from John: It is odd that you can handle an event in the capture phase and you can ←
14:24:40 <Rich> handle it in the target+bubble phase, but that you cannot say you only
handle it in the target+bubble phase, but that you cannot say you only ←
14:24:40 <Rich> want to handle the event if it is the target phase only. Note that the
want to handle the event if it is the target phase only. Note that the ←
14:24:40 <Rich> term "target phase" actually does appear
term "target phase" actually does appear ←
14:25:02 <Rich> Steven: John is saying we are specifying a syntax that already exists
Steven Pemberton: John is saying we are specifying a syntax that already exists ←
14:25:13 <Rich> Mark: We have added things to support DOM 3 events
Mark Birbeck: We have added things to support DOM 3 events ←
14:25:38 <Rich> Steven: John's comment: Moreover, I would like to express the point of view that the proper
Steven Pemberton: John's comment: Moreover, I would like to express the point of view that the proper ←
14:25:38 <Rich> default *should* be "target".
default *should* be "target". ←
14:25:45 <Rich> Steven: That is not possible either
Steven Pemberton: That is not possible either ←
14:26:21 <Rich> Mark: Why does he think the output outside a label gets a value chnage event?
Mark Birbeck: Why does he think the output outside a label gets a value chnage event? ←
14:26:46 <Rich> Mark: The output will not get a value change event
Mark Birbeck: The output will not get a value change event ←
14:26:58 <Rich> Steven: You're right
Steven Pemberton: You're right ←
14:27:18 <Rich> Mark: I see. When the node change the event bubbles to the root and back down again
Mark Birbeck: I see. When the node change the event bubbles to the root and back down again ←
14:28:10 <Rich> Steven: we could look at this in more detail.
Steven Pemberton: we could look at this in more detail. ←
14:28:30 <Rich> Steven: we could change attributes and things like that but we can't change DOM 2 events.
Steven Pemberton: we could change attributes and things like that but we can't change DOM 2 events. ←
14:28:39 <Rich> Mark: We need to look at this.
Mark Birbeck: We need to look at this. ←
14:29:04 <Rich> RESOLUTION: We shall research further
RESOLVED: We shall research further ←
14:29:35 <Rich> Steven: next 1
Steven Pemberton: next 1 ←
14:29:48 <Rich> Steven: you can't specify the bubble face
Steven Pemberton: you can't specify the bubble face ←
14:29:55 <Rich> Steven: not sure you would.
Steven Pemberton: not sure you would. ←
14:30:15 <Rich> Mark: I see what he is getting at. Not sure John is quite right.
Mark Birbeck: I see what he is getting at. Not sure John is quite right. ←
14:30:24 <Zakim> +McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron ←
14:30:30 <Rich> Mark: capture goes down just above the target.
Mark Birbeck: capture goes down just above the target. ←
14:31:22 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0012
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0012 ←
14:31:38 <Rich> RESOLUTION: We reject 1 and 3 and will investigate 2 in more detail on 0011
RESOLVED: We reject 1 and 3 and will investigate 2 in more detail on 0011 ←
14:32:06 <Rich> Steven: If and While are xpath expressions
Steven Pemberton: If and While are xpath expressions ←
14:32:11 <Rich> Mark: Yes
Mark Birbeck: Yes ←
14:32:34 <Rich> Steven: So it is right that you have to specify how those xpath expressions get eval'd and in what context.
Steven Pemberton: So it is right that you have to specify how those xpath expressions get eval'd and in what context. ←
14:32:41 <Rich> Mark: We did it that way
Mark Birbeck: We did it that way ←
14:33:14 <Rich> Mark: Xpath says that part of the function library.
Mark Birbeck: Xpath says that part of the function library. ←
14:33:25 <Rich> Mark: Not sure this comment is right
Mark Birbeck: Not sure this comment is right ←
14:33:35 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-events/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-events/ ←
14:34:52 <Rich> Steven: This is clearly marked, in red, in the document
Steven Pemberton: This is clearly marked, in red, in the document ←
14:35:01 <Rich> Steven: the comment is wrong and he has missed something
Steven Pemberton: the comment is wrong and he has missed something ←
14:35:06 <Rich> Mark: I think so
Mark Birbeck: I think so ←
14:35:29 <Rich> Mark: the exact point of section 6 is to do what he is asking for
Mark Birbeck: the exact point of section 6 is to do what he is asking for ←
14:35:42 <Rich> ACTION: Mark to respond to John's comments
ACTION: Mark to respond to John's comments ←
14:35:45 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0013
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0013 ←
14:37:01 <Rich> RRSAgent, make log member
RRSAgent, make log member ←
14:37:21 <Rich> Steven: This is like shadow trees
Steven Pemberton: This is like shadow trees ←
14:37:57 <Rich> Mark: this came up on a call once where John was asserting that the event registration process should happen very early on - prior to the unrolling of the template
Mark Birbeck: this came up on a call once where John was asserting that the event registration process should happen very early on - prior to the unrolling of the template ←
14:38:09 <Rich> Mark: there is nothing in the event spec. that says this.
Mark Birbeck: there is nothing in the event spec. that says this. ←
14:38:34 <Rich> Mark: John says you will get these extra events attached.
Mark Birbeck: John says you will get these extra events attached. ←
14:39:03 <Rich> Steven: This is his problem and not ours as we are mapping to DOM events. XForms has an unusual relationship between the markup and the DOM
Steven Pemberton: This is his problem and not ours as we are mapping to DOM events. XForms has an unusual relationship between the markup and the DOM ←
14:39:18 <Rich> Steven: XForms needs to define what happens when they use handlers
Steven Pemberton: XForms needs to define what happens when they use handlers ←
14:39:45 <Rich> Mark: The key thing here:
Mark Birbeck: The key thing here: ←
14:40:19 <Rich> Mark: in John's comment: Based on having an XML events processor that is distinct from the XForms
Mark Birbeck: in John's comment: Based on having an XML events processor that is distinct from the XForms ←
14:40:19 <Rich> processor, I think we get both, which is unfortunate.
processor, I think we get both, which is unfortunate. ←
14:40:55 <Rich> Mark: There is still a bit of a hole. Say it was an instance element. XForms would define the instance element to prohibit further processing
Mark Birbeck: There is still a bit of a hole. Say it was an instance element. XForms would define the instance element to prohibit further processing ←
14:41:17 <Rich> Mark: XForms should sayt the content model of this element is just straight stuff
Mark Birbeck: XForms should sayt the content model of this element is just straight stuff ←
14:41:30 <Rich> Mark: We should doing the same thing for repeate and itemset
Mark Birbeck: We should doing the same thing for repeat and itemset ←
14:41:56 <Rich> Mark: There is a problem but it resides with XForms being clearer on templates
Mark Birbeck: There is a problem but it resides with XForms being clearer on templates ←
14:42:03 <Rich> s/repeate/repeat/
14:42:09 <Rich> Shane: agree
Shane McCarron: agree ←
14:42:16 <Rich> Steven: agree
Steven Pemberton: agree ←
14:42:42 <Rich> Mark: They need to supress the processing until the right time.
Mark Birbeck: They need to supress the processing until the right time. ←
14:43:07 <Rich> Mark: Our AJAX version would also have this problem
Mark Birbeck: Our AJAX version would also have this problem ←
14:43:27 <Rich> Mark: Each element processes itself ... I am an input so ...
Mark Birbeck: Each element processes itself ... I am an input so ... ←
14:44:15 <Rich> RESOLUTION: This is the Forms group's problem and not something XML Events 2 can cope with
RESOLVED: This is the Forms group's problem and not something XML Events 2 can cope with ←
14:44:43 <Rich> Mark: We need to have itemset and repeat be an instance.
Mark Birbeck: We need to have itemset and repeat be an instance. ←
14:45:10 <Rich> Topic: Restore hr
14:45:19 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-xhtml-minutes#item06
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-xhtml-minutes#item06 ←
14:45:32 <Rich> Shane: I thought we were going to put it in and deprecate it?
Shane McCarron: I thought we were going to put it in and deprecate it? ←
14:46:06 <Rich> Steven: we have a distinct request from Dan Connelly to keep HR
Steven Pemberton: we have a distinct request from Dan Connelly to keep HR ←
14:46:16 <Rich> Mark: How do we do that?
Mark Birbeck: How do we do that? ←
14:46:37 <Rich> Steven: We can say we will keep it, keep/deprecate it, or drop it
Steven Pemberton: We can say we will keep it, keep/deprecate it, or drop it ←
14:46:42 <oedipus> re: HR - deprecate, deprecate, deprecate; i've asked HTML WG to adopt LS (logical seperator) similar to XHTML2's selector, but was told that is the realm of XHTML2, not HTML
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Unknown re: HR - deprecate, deprecate, deprecate; i've asked HTML WG to adopt LS (logical seperator) similar to XHTML2's selector, but was told that is the realm of XHTML2, not HTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←
14:47:00 <Rich> Shane: We should not remove the legacy module. We keep it in legacy
Shane McCarron: We should not remove the legacy module. We keep it in legacy ←
14:47:23 <Rich> Steven: We could put profile in legacy as well
Steven Pemberton: We could put profile in legacy as well ←
14:47:58 <Rich> Steven: like in xhtml 1.0, we created 2.0 and then a 2.1 that dumped things we did not want
Steven Pemberton: like in xhtml 1.0, we created 2.0 and then a 2.1 that dumped things we did not want ←
14:48:31 <Rich> Steven: this seems to upset Dan and Tim
Steven Pemberton: this seems to upset Dan and Tim ←
14:48:47 <Rich> Gregory: We should have a logical separator.
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Unknown Gregory: We should have a logical separator. ←
14:49:16 <Rich> Shane: I reserve the right to craft the text for the HR section
Shane McCarron: I reserve the right to craft the text for the HR section ←
14:50:11 <oedipus> +1 to put HR in legacy module
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Unknown oedipus: +1 to put HR in legacy module ←
14:50:30 <Rich> RESOLUTION: Keep HR in the legacy module and make HR deprecated
RESOLVED: Keep HR in the legacy module and make HR deprecated ←
14:51:49 <Rich> Topic: M12N errata
14:52:00 <Rich> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0015
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0015 ←
14:52:33 <Rich> From the link: At
From the link: At ←
14:52:33 <Rich> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_bdomodule
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_bdomodule ←
14:52:33 <Rich> , the attribute listed as Core mistakenly links to "Common". Also, "bdo"
, the attribute listed as Core mistakenly links to "Common". Also, "bdo" ←
14:52:33 <Rich> should allow "xml:lang" per the DTD.
should allow "xml:lang" per the DTD. ←
14:52:50 <Rich> Steven: bdo should have common and not core
Steven Pemberton: bdo should have common and not core ←
14:52:53 <Rich> Shane: agreed
Shane McCarron: agreed ←
14:53:11 <Rich> From the link: Also, while XHTML does have facilities already for expressing xml:base
From the link: Also, while XHTML does have facilities already for expressing xml:base ←
14:53:11 <Rich> and xml:id, would these be reasonable to include in the Core attribute
and xml:id, would these be reasonable to include in the Core attribute ←
14:53:11 <Rich> collection? (I wouldn't use them myself, nor would anybody need them,
collection? (I wouldn't use them myself, nor would anybody need them, ←
14:53:11 <Rich> but since they are general purpose for XML...).
but since they are general purpose for XML...). ←
14:53:11 <oedipus> FYI: URI of my proposal to deprecate HR in HTML5 that resulted in being told to take issue to XHTML2 WG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/0099.html
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Unknown FYI: URI of my proposal to deprecate HR in HTML5 that resulted in being told to take issue to XHTML2 WG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/0099.html [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←
14:53:18 <Rich> Shane: no
Shane McCarron: no ←
14:53:41 <Rich> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0017
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0017 ←
14:53:52 <Rich> From the link: Under the Legacy module 'notes', next to 'table', 'tr', 'th', and 'td',
From the link: Under the Legacy module 'notes', next to 'table', 'tr', 'th', and 'td', ←
14:53:52 <Rich> it should, I believe, refer to "Basic Tables", not just "Tables"
it should, I believe, refer to "Basic Tables", not just "Tables" ←
14:53:52 <Rich> (especially since the 'notes' related to 'forms' do distinguish between
(especially since the 'notes' related to 'forms' do distinguish between ←
14:53:52 <Rich> the basic and full module.
the basic and full module. ←
14:54:12 <Rich> Shane: if you happen to turn on legacy you would work
Shane McCarron: if you happen to turn on legacy you would work ←
14:54:29 <Rich> Steven: on input align gets placed on basic and not forms
Steven Pemberton: on input align gets placed on basic and not forms ←
14:54:52 <Rich> Steven: legacy is only allowed on the tables module but not on the basic tables module
Steven Pemberton: legacy is only allowed on the tables module but not on the basic tables module ←
14:54:58 <Rich> Shane: we meant that
Shane McCarron: we meant that ←
14:55:32 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009 ←
14:55:33 <Rich> Topic: Legacy Module
14:55:56 <Rich> Steven: This person wants to add stuff to the legacy module
Steven Pemberton: This person wants to add stuff to the legacy module ←
14:56:05 <Rich> Steven: We can't do that at this time.
Steven Pemberton: We can't do that at this time. ←
14:56:13 <Rich> Shane: agreed
Shane McCarron: agreed ←
14:56:26 <Rich> Shane: It may just work but this is not the object of 1.1
Shane McCarron: It may just work but this is not the object of 1.1 ←
14:56:57 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0009
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0009 ←
14:57:06 <Rich> Topic: @Talign (erratum)
14:57:37 <Rich> Steven: this is cruft in the dtd and we should not worry about it
Steven Pemberton: this is cruft in the dtd and we should not worry about it ←
14:57:48 <Rich> Steven: This is on HTML 4
Steven Pemberton: This is on HTML 4 ←
14:58:00 <Rich> Shane: This is not our problem
Shane McCarron: This is not our problem ←
14:58:09 <Rich> RESOLUTION: This is not our problem
RESOLVED: This is not our problem ←
14:58:20 <Zakim> -McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron ←
14:58:21 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:58:23 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:58:27 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:58:29 <Zakim> -yamx
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14:58:46 <yamx> I will send a regret for next week, I will be on the road from Regensburg to Munich, somewhere in Germany.
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Unknown yamx: I will send a regret for next week, I will be on the road from Regensburg to Munich, somewhere in Germany. ←
14:59:04 <Steven> ok
Steven Pemberton: ok ←
14:59:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:59:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Rich ←
14:59:18 <Steven> zakim, drop rich
Steven Pemberton: zakim, drop rich ←
14:59:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, yamx, myakura, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, yamx, myakura, krijnh ←
14:59:23 <Zakim> Rich is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Rich is being disconnected ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
14:59:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, yamx, markbirbeck, [IBM], Rich, McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, yamx, markbirbeck, [IBM], Rich, McCarron ←
14:59:31 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:59:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/29-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/29-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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