Meeting Record

XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

Minutes of 27 June 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0030

Seen

Alessio Cartocci, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe, Unknown Gregory_Rosmiata, Unknown yamx

Regrets

Richard Schwerdtfeger, Tina Holmboe

Chair

Steven Pemberton

Scribe

Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Charter

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13:35:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-irc ←

13:35:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←

13:35:56 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

13:36:09 <Steven> Regrets: Rich, Tina

13:36:38 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0030

13:36:52 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0030

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0030 ←

13:37:01 <Steven> Chair: Steven

13:55:47 <alessio> hallo all

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Alessio Cartocci: hallo all ←

14:00:48 <Steven> hi

(No events recorded for 5 minutes)

Steven Pemberton: hi ←

14:01:51 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

14:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is ←

14:02:01 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←

14:02:10 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started ←

14:02:15 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←

14:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmiata, ??P32, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmiata, ??P32, [IPcaller] ←

14:02:21 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

14:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven, krijnh ←

14:02:28 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

14:02:30 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

14:02:39 <alessio> zakim, ??P32 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P32 is Alessio ←

14:02:42 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←

14:02:44 <ShaneM>  zakim, [ip is ShaneM

Shane McCarron: zakim, [ip is ShaneM ←

14:02:46 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←

14:02:58 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37 ←

14:03:17 <yamx> zakim, ??P37 is yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 18 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P37 is yamx ←

14:03:17 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←

14:03:29 <Steven> Regrets+Mark

Steven Pemberton: Regrets+Mark ←

14:06:01 <Steven> Topic: Charter

1. Charter

14:06:12 <Steven> Scribe: Shane

(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)

14:06:47 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/XHTML2-WG-charter.html

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/XHTML2-WG-charter.html ←

14:07:10 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml-roadmap/

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml-roadmap/ ←

14:07:23 <ShaneM>  Steven is working with Chris to sort this out.

Steven is working with Chris to sort this out. ←

14:08:09 <ShaneM>  Topic: Last Call Review of GRDDL

Topic: Last Call Review of GRDDL ←

14:08:10 <yamx> I have a question on charter.(yam)

Unknown yamx: I have a question on charter.(yam) ←

14:09:28 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane will review editors draft of GRDDL

ACTION: Shane will review editors draft of GRDDL ←

14:10:08 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Steven to reply to GRDDL review request

ACTION: Steven to reply to GRDDL review request ←

14:10:09 <yamx> My question is that XHTML2 and charter refer all to DOM2Event, but I wonder that DOM3Event is needed for namespaced events (e.g. SVG)

Unknown yamx: My question is that XHTML2 and charter refer all to DOM2Event, but I wonder that DOM3Event is needed for namespaced events (e.g. SVG) ←

14:12:04 <ShaneM>  Unfortunately there is no DOM3 event spec yet.  The intent is that XML Events 2 will rely upon DOM3 events if there is one.

Unfortunately there is no DOM3 event spec yet. The intent is that XML Events 2 will rely upon DOM3 events if there is one. ←

14:12:46 <yamx> OK. It seems like OMA and W3C XHTMLWG have the same concerns.

Unknown yamx: OK. It seems like OMA and W3C XHTMLWG have the same concerns. ←

14:12:53 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/ ←

14:12:56 <ShaneM>  The WebAPI WOrking group is responsible for producing DOMEvents 3

The WebAPI WOrking group is responsible for producing DOMEvents 3 ←

14:13:07 <Steven> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html

Steven Pemberton: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html ←

14:16:28 <ShaneM>  Topic: XHTML Basic Test Results

Topic: XHTML Basic Test Results ←

14:16:54 <ShaneM>  We got test results from the OMA on the mobile profile.  Steven and Shane had some questions.

We got test results from the OMA on the mobile profile. Steven and Shane had some questions. ←

14:17:16 <ShaneM>  There are a lot of tests, but only a small subset are of interest to this working group (around 70).

There are a lot of tests, but only a small subset are of interest to this working group (around 70). ←

14:18:14 <ShaneM>  Some tests were not run, but there was no indication as to why.  Yam indicated that it was either because the feature was not supported or because they ran out of time.

Some tests were not run, but there was no indication as to why. Yam indicated that it was either because the feature was not supported or because they ran out of time. ←

14:18:31 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←

14:19:13 <ShaneM>  Yam also said that @inputmode was not really tested because it was optional, and because there was no test material for it.  It is up to the W3C to provide test materials for that feature (and for the target attribute).

Yam also said that @inputmode was not really tested because it was optional, and because there was no test material for it. It is up to the W3C to provide test materials for that feature (and for the target attribute). ←

14:19:46 <ShaneM>  Steven is concerned that because all the tests have not been run we cannot use the test results as a mechanism to exit CR.

Steven is concerned that because all the tests have not been run we cannot use the test results as a mechanism to exit CR. ←

14:22:09 <ShaneM>  Steven asks whether these results would mean the spec was complete to the OMA?  Yam says no, it is still a candidate.

Steven asks whether these results would mean the spec was complete to the OMA? Yam says no, it is still a candidate. ←

14:23:07 <Zakim> +??P43

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P43 ←

14:23:20 <alessio_> zakim, ??P43 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P43 is Alessio ←

14:23:20 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←

14:24:18 <ShaneM>  Steven asks what we actually need to test for inputmode?  Since it is just a hint and it is optional.  Yam agrees that it is optional.

Steven asks what we actually need to test for inputmode? Since it is just a hint and it is optional. Yam agrees that it is optional. ←

14:24:40 <ShaneM>  Steven points out that target is also just a hint, so is in the same situation.

Steven points out that target is also just a hint, so is in the same situation. ←

14:26:07 <ShaneM>  Steven states that these test results are only interim, and we cannot use them to exit CR.  We will need to wait for future test fest results that indicate all tests are run and pass before.

Steven states that these test results are only interim, and we cannot use them to exit CR. We will need to wait for future test fest results that indicate all tests are run and pass before. ←

14:26:34 <ShaneM>  For tests that were not yet run.... we can just wait until the next test fest and hope that we get better results.

For tests that were not yet run.... we can just wait until the next test fest and hope that we get better results. ←

14:28:57 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/xhtml2

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/xhtml2 ←

14:29:25 <ShaneM>  Topic: Role and Access Modules

Topic: Role and Access Modules ←

14:29:29 <ShaneM>  Still working on updates.

Still working on updates. ←

14:29:33 <ShaneM>  Topic: XHTML 2 draft

Topic: XHTML 2 draft ←

14:29:40 <ShaneM>  need to put out a new public draft.

need to put out a new public draft. ←

14:29:42 <ShaneM>  Topic: CURIES

Topic: CURIES ←

14:30:13 <ShaneM>  Not really worth discussing without Mark.  Nothing to report from the RDFa task force with regards to this as yet.

Not really worth discussing without Mark. Nothing to report from the RDFa task force with regards to this as yet. ←

14:31:36 <ShaneM>  Topic: XHTML M12N

Topic: XHTML M12N ←

14:31:55 <ShaneM>  Steven still needs to get back to the XML Schema working group.  Otherwise we are ready to go.

Steven still needs to get back to the XML Schema working group. Otherwise we are ready to go. ←

14:32:27 <ShaneM>  Topic: Access Module (again)

Topic: Access Module (again) ←

14:32:48 <Steven> scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

14:33:02 <Steven> Shane: I had an action item to add an attribute

Shane McCarron: I had an action item to add an attribute ←

14:33:12 <ShaneM>  <h3><code>raise</code> = <dtref>CDATA</dtref></h3>

Shane McCarron: <h3><code>raise</code> = <dtref>CDATA</dtref></h3> ←

14:33:12 <ShaneM>

Shane McCarron: ←

14:33:12 <ShaneM> <p>The <aref>raise</aref> attribute defines the <nref>DOM2EVENTS</nref> event that

Shane McCarron: <p>The <aref>raise</aref> attribute defines the <nref>DOM2EVENTS</nref> event that ←

14:33:12 <ShaneM> should be raised with respect to the target when the access shortcut is invoked.  The default value for this is "focus".

Shane McCarron: should be raised with respect to the target when the access shortcut is invoked. The default value for this is "focus". ←

14:33:12 <ShaneM> The following events are permitted:

Shane McCarron: The following events are permitted: ←

14:33:14 <ShaneM> <code>DOMFocusIn</code>, <code>DOMActivate</code>, <code>click</code>, <code>mousedown</code>, <code>mouseup</code>, <code>mouseover</code>.

Shane McCarron: <code>DOMFocusIn</code>, <code>DOMActivate</code>, <code>click</code>, <code>mousedown</code>, <code>mouseup</code>, <code>mouseover</code>. ←

14:33:14 <Steven> ... that specified the event that should be trigger

... that specified the event that should be trigger ←

14:33:17 <ShaneM> </p>

Shane McCarron: </p> ←

14:33:21 <Steven> s.trigger/triggered/

s.trigger/triggered/ ←

14:33:54 <Steven> Shane: We need to limit the collection of events

Shane McCarron: We need to limit the collection of events ←

14:34:01 <Steven> ... to those that make sense within DOM2

... to those that make sense within DOM2 ←

14:34:14 <Steven> ... which unfortunately don't include key events

... which unfortunately don't include key events ←

14:37:08 <ShaneM> Steven thinks this list may be too platform oriented.

Shane McCarron: Steven thinks this list may be too platform oriented. ←

14:37:21 <ShaneM> Shane (defensively) said that DOM2EVENTS is all we have to work from.

Shane McCarron: Shane (defensively) said that DOM2EVENTS is all we have to work from. ←

14:39:38 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

zakim, who is noisy? ←

14:39:51 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alessio (99%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alessio (99%) ←

14:40:01 <Steven> zakim, mute alessio

zakim, mute alessio ←

14:40:01 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should now be muted ←

14:40:03 <alessio_> zakim, mute me

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, mute me ←

14:40:03 <Zakim> sorry, alessio_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

14:40:28 <alessio_> zakim, mute Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, mute Alessio ←

14:40:28 <Zakim> Alessio was already muted, alessio_

Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio was already muted, alessio_ ←

14:41:37 <Steven> SShane: THis module is for XHTML 1.*, so we can't depend on XML Events

Shane McCarron: THis module is for XHTML 1.*, so we can't depend on XML Events ←

14:41:41 <Steven> Steven: I understand

Steven Pemberton: I understand ←

14:41:49 <Steven> s/SS/S/

14:41:59 <Steven> Gregory: I have been looking at Events

Scribe problem: the name 'Gregory' does not match any of the 18 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Gregory: I have been looking at Events ←

14:42:14 <Steven> ... assistive technology is going to trigger audio events

... assistive technology is going to trigger audio events ←

14:42:33 <Steven> ... who is going to take care of this on the Backplane?

... who is going to take care of this on the Backplane? ←

14:42:59 <Steven> ... We have a number of use cases around this

... We have a number of use cases around this ←

14:43:31 <Steven> ... The backplane should take responsibility for this

... The backplane should take responsibility for this ←

14:44:10 <Steven> Steven: Al Gilman is on the backplane group

Steven Pemberton: Al Gilman is on the backplane group ←

14:44:34 <Steven> Gergory: CSS2.1 has deprecated audial stuff

Scribe problem: the name 'Gergory' does not match any of the 18 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Gergory: CSS2.1 has deprecated audial stuff ←

14:44:46 <Steven> ... and CSS3 has 2 modules

... and CSS3 has 2 modules ←

14:45:00 <Steven> ... so I am representing WAI trying to sort this out

... so I am representing WAI trying to sort this out ←

14:45:38 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←

14:46:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:46:59 <alessio_> zakim, [IPcaller] is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, [IPcaller] is Alessio ←

14:47:00 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←

14:47:51 <Steven> Steven: THe backplane has taken on this work, so we need to wait on them to come up to speed

Steven Pemberton: THe backplane has taken on this work, so we need to wait on them to come up to speed ←

14:48:22 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2006/backplane/

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2006/backplane/ ←

14:48:48 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/1.1/intent-based-events.html

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/1.1/intent-based-events.html ←

14:49:15 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←

14:49:40 <Steven> Shane: Should we link access and role?

Shane McCarron: Should we link access and role? ←

14:49:49 <Steven> Steven: It would make access more useful

Steven Pemberton: It would make access more useful ←

14:51:30 <Steven> ... ANYBODY OBJECT?

... ANYBODY OBJECT? ←

14:51:34 <Steven> [SILENCE]

[SILENCE] ←

14:51:38 <Steven> sTEVEN: sO RESOLVED

Steven Pemberton: sO RESOLVED ←

14:51:56 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

14:51:57 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmiata

Scribe problem: the name 'Gregory_Rosmiata' does not match any of the 18 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmiata ←

14:51:57 <Zakim> -yamx

Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←

14:51:59 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←

14:52:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregory_Rosmiata, Steven, Alessio, ShaneM, yamx

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Gregory_Rosmiata, Steven, Alessio, ShaneM, yamx ←

14:52:09 <Steven> [Adjourned]

[Adjourned] ←

14:52:29 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here? ←

14:52:29 <Zakim> apparently IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: apparently IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended, Steven ←

14:52:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio_, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio_, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven, krijnh ←

14:52:39 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes ←

14:52:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←

14:56:22 <Steven> s/scribe: Shane/scribe: ShaneM/

s/scribe: Shane/scribe: ShaneM/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

14:56:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes ←

14:56:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←

14:57:06 <Steven> s/Scribe: Shane/Scribe: ShaneM/

14:57:11 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes ←

14:57:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←

14:57:42 <alessio> I'm sorry, tried to reconnect but very bad line...

Alessio Cartocci: I'm sorry, tried to reconnect but very bad line... ←

15:07:03 <alessio> bye all :)

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Alessio Cartocci: bye all :) ←

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