Meeting Record

Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference

Minutes of 30 May 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0020

Seen

Alessio Cartocci, Mark Birbeck, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Susan Borgrink, Tina Holmboe, Toshihiko Yamakami, Unknown AGraf|mb, Unknown Yamx, Unknown yamx

Regrets

Chair

Scribe

IRC Log

Resolutions

None.

Topics

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Access element in DOM of head

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13:42:42 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-xhtml-irc

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13:52:52 <AGraf|mb> Is it possible to use the Zakim bridge with Skype?

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Unknown AGraf|mb: Is it possible to use the Zakim bridge with Skype? ←

13:58:36 <ShaneM>  only by dialing the land line number as far as I know

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Shane McCarron: only by dialing the land line number as far as I know ←

14:00:15 <Steven> That's right

Steven Pemberton: That's right ←

14:00:26 <AGraf|mb> hm

Unknown AGraf|mb: hm ←

14:00:34 <AGraf|mb> I'm without a phone right now

Unknown AGraf|mb: I'm without a phone right now ←

14:00:38 <AGraf|mb> only my private cell

Unknown AGraf|mb: only my private cell ←

14:00:54 <ShaneM>  I always use skype via skypeout for these calls.  works well

Shane McCarron: I always use skype via skypeout for these calls. works well ←

14:01:52 <Steven> I have heard that sometimes skype has problems generating the right DTMF tones

Steven Pemberton: I have heard that sometimes skype has problems generating the right DTMF tones ←

14:01:58 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

14:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is ←

14:02:13 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←

14:02:13 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started ←

14:02:20 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

14:02:20 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

14:02:21 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

14:02:36 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference

14:03:02 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0020

14:03:08 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0020

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0020 ←

14:03:09 <Zakim> +Mark_Birbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: +Mark_Birbeck ←

14:03:21 <Steven> Regrets: Susan

14:03:33 <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here

Mark Birbeck: zakim, who is here ←

14:03:38 <Zakim> markbirbeck, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck, you need to end that query with '?' ←

14:03:48 <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, who is here? ←

14:03:50 <Zakim> + +04670855aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +04670855aaaa ←

14:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P5, [IBM], Steven, Mark_Birbeck, +04670855aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P5, [IBM], Steven, Mark_Birbeck, +04670855aaaa ←

14:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Rich, AGraf|mb, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, ShaneM, Tina, AGraf, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Rich, AGraf|mb, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, ShaneM, Tina, AGraf, krijnh ←

14:04:06 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Tina

Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is Tina ←

14:04:17 <Steven> zakim, [IBM] is Rich

Steven Pemberton: zakim, [IBM] is Rich ←

14:04:18 <Zakim> +Tina; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina; got it ←

14:04:32 <Steven> zakim, ??P5 is ShaneM

Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P5 is ShaneM ←

14:04:36 <Zakim> +Rich; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it ←

14:04:48 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←

14:04:54 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←

14:04:56 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←

14:05:03 <yamx> this is Yam

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Unknown yamx: this is Yam ←

14:05:33 <Zakim> -??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P24 ←

14:05:40 <Steven> zakim, ??P20 is Alessio

Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P20 is Alessio ←

14:05:40 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←

14:06:32 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←

14:06:41 <Steven> zakim, ??p27 is Yamx

Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??p27 is Yamx ←

14:06:43 <yamx> this is yam.

Unknown yamx: this is yam. ←

14:06:44 <Zakim> +Yamx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yamx; got it ←

14:07:07 <Steven> MSCribe: Steven

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Unknown MSCribe: Steven [ Scribe Assist by Steven Pemberton ] ←

14:07:12 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

14:07:21 <Steven> Mark: I nominate Steven as Chair

Mark Birbeck: I nominate Steven as Chair ←

14:07:23 <Steven> Yam: Second

Toshihiko Yamakami: Second ←

14:07:27 <Steven> Chair: Steven

14:07:39 <Steven> Topic: Actions

1. Actions

14:08:02 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Alessio to test 'popular' browsers on whether an access

[NEW] ACTION: Alessio to test 'popular' browsers on whether an access ←

14:08:02 <Steven> element in the head of a document turns up in the DOM [recorded in

element in the head of a document turns up in the DOM [recorded in ←

14:08:02 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

14:08:42 <Steven> Alessio: I have tested this with IE and another test with Firefox etc.

Alessio Cartocci: I have tested this with IE and another test with Firefox etc. ←

14:09:01 <Steven> ... I will send a mail with the URL and so on

... I will send a mail with the URL and so on ←

14:09:24 <Steven> ACTION: Alessio to send mail with details of DOM test

ACTION: Alessio to send mail with details of DOM test ←

14:09:56 <Steven> Steven: Schema comments

Steven Pemberton: Schema comments ←

14:11:10 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#adef-color-FONT

Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#adef-color-FONT ←

14:12:11 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB

Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB ←

14:12:26 <Steven> Steven: I think the color data type can only be 6 digits

Steven Pemberton: I think the color data type can only be 6 digits ←

14:12:36 <Steven> ... a 3 digit value is only allowed in CSS

... a 3 digit value is only allowed in CSS ←

14:13:51 <Steven> ... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#h-6.5

... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#h-6.5 ←

14:19:04 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me

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Mark Birbeck: zakim, mute me ←

14:19:04 <Zakim> Mark_Birbeck should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Mark_Birbeck should now be muted ←

14:19:32 <Steven> Shane: But browsers accept 3 digits now

Shane McCarron: But browsers accept 3 digits now ←

14:19:39 <Steven> Steven: But maybe not all of them

Steven Pemberton: But maybe not all of them ←

14:19:48 <Steven> ... then we would break an existing browser

... then we would break an existing browser ←

14:20:15 <Steven> ... that had been conformant up til now

... that had been conformant up til now ←

14:20:48 <Steven> ... Presumably current vrowsers have taken the rule from CSS, not HTML

... Presumably current vrowsers have taken the rule from CSS, not HTML ←

14:21:14 <Steven> ... but since HTML says just "a hexadecimal number", then #1 would be OK, and would mean #000001

... but since HTML says just "a hexadecimal number", then #1 would be OK, and would mean #000001 ←

14:21:19 <Steven> ... (unfortunately)

... (unfortunately) ←

14:23:18 <Steven> ... so my conclusion is that we should make the data type #[0-9]+ just so we don't break any existing content

... so my conclusion is that we should make the data type #[0-9]+ just so we don't break any existing content ←

14:23:23 <Steven> Shane: You're right

Shane McCarron: You're right ←

14:26:39 <ShaneM>  oh - the datatype should be #[0-9A-F]+

Shane McCarron: oh - the datatype should be #[0-9A-F]+ ←

14:26:43 <Steven> Steven: I think there is value to defining the coord type, since you would get some value from the schema processor telling you about wrong values

Steven Pemberton: I think there is value to defining the coord type, since you would get some value from the schema processor telling you about wrong values ←

14:27:03 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me

Mark Birbeck: zakim, unmute me ←

14:27:03 <Zakim> Mark_Birbeck should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Mark_Birbeck should no longer be muted ←

14:28:06 <Steven> Shane: Agree

Shane McCarron: Agree ←

14:28:56 <Steven> Steven: Now the issue of Substitution groups

Steven Pemberton: Now the issue of Substitution groups ←

14:29:05 <Steven> Mark: It would be too much work now

Mark Birbeck: It would be too much work now ←

14:29:13 <Steven> ... let us say we will do it in a revisions

... let us say we will do it in a revisions ←

14:29:34 <Steven> Shane: Agree, but there is also a restriction about substitution groups, that gets in our way

Shane McCarron: Agree, but there is also a restriction about substitution groups, that gets in our way ←

14:29:47 <Steven> ... (which I don't recall the details of right now)

... (which I don't recall the details of right now) ←

14:29:59 <Steven> Mark: Not sure if it would be a problem.

Mark Birbeck: Not sure if it would be a problem. ←

14:31:06 <Steven> StHere is the document we are discussing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0035.html

Here is the document we are discussing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0035.html ←

14:31:11 <Steven> s/St//

14:31:56 <Steven> Steven: I propose that we say we want to do it ain a future version, and will be happy to work with them

Steven Pemberton: I propose that we say we want to do it ain a future version, and will be happy to work with them ←

14:32:58 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to Schema WG on M12N comments

ACTION: Steven to reply to Schema WG on M12N comments ←

14:33:16 <Steven> Topic: FtF

2. FtF

14:34:11 <Steven> Steven: There will be no meeting in NY in June; the next FtF is Septber 10-11 in Madrid Spain

Steven Pemberton: There will be no meeting in NY in June; the next FtF is Septber 10-11 in Madrid Spain ←

14:34:34 <ShaneM>  Coords data type:  here is what they proposed:

Shane McCarron: Coords data type: here is what they proposed: ←

14:34:34 <ShaneM>   <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.rect">

Shane McCarron: <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.rect"> ←

14:34:34 <ShaneM>   <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token">

Shane McCarron: <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token"> ←

14:34:34 <ShaneM>    <xsd:pattern value="(&Length;&Comma;){3}(&Length;)"/>

Shane McCarron: <xsd:pattern value="(&Length;&Comma;){3}(&Length;)"/> ←

14:34:34 <ShaneM>   </xsd:restriction>

Shane McCarron: </xsd:restriction> ←

14:34:35 <ShaneM>  </xsd:simpleType>

Shane McCarron: </xsd:simpleType> ←

14:34:37 <ShaneM>  <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.circle">

Shane McCarron: <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.circle"> ←

14:34:39 <ShaneM>   <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token">

Shane McCarron: <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token"> ←

14:34:41 <ShaneM>    <xsd:pattern value="(&Length;&Comma;){2}(&Length;)"/>

Shane McCarron: <xsd:pattern value="(&Length;&Comma;){2}(&Length;)"/> ←

14:34:43 <ShaneM>   </xsd:restriction>

Shane McCarron: </xsd:restriction> ←

14:34:45 <ShaneM>  </xsd:simpleType>

Shane McCarron: </xsd:simpleType> ←

14:34:47 <ShaneM>  <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.poly">

Shane McCarron: <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.poly"> ←

14:34:49 <ShaneM>   <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token">

Shane McCarron: <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token"> ←

14:34:51 <ShaneM>    <xsd:pattern value="(&Pair;&Comma;){2,unbounded}(&Pair;)"/>

Shane McCarron: <xsd:pattern value="(&Pair;&Comma;){2,unbounded}(&Pair;)"/> ←

14:34:53 <ShaneM>   </xsd:restriction>

Shane McCarron: </xsd:restriction> ←

14:34:55 <ShaneM>  </xsd:simpleType>

Shane McCarron: </xsd:simpleType> ←

14:40:26 <yamx> My understanding is there is some difference between XHMLMP1.2 and XHTMLBasic 1.1.

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Unknown yamx: My understanding is there is some difference between XHMLMP1.2 and XHTMLBasic 1.1. ←

14:40:41 <yamx> My question is how serious the gap is for W3C.

Unknown yamx: My question is how serious the gap is for W3C. ←

14:40:58 <Steven> Steven: So the call for CR is goin to go ahead.

Steven Pemberton: So the call for CR is goin to go ahead. ←

14:41:10 <Steven> Yam: How will the W3C interpret the exit criteria?

Toshihiko Yamakami: How will the W3C interpret the exit criteria? ←

14:41:29 <yamx> OMA's position is the gap analysis for W3C exit criteria is taken by W3C.

Unknown yamx: OMA's position is the gap analysis for W3C exit criteria is taken by W3C. ←

14:41:38 <Steven> Steven: Normally there must be two interoperable implementations, and I thought OMA were doing the test suitte

Steven Pemberton: Normally there must be two interoperable implementations, and I thought OMA were doing the test suitte ←

14:41:45 <Steven> Yam: We? Oh. I will check

Toshihiko Yamakami: We? Oh. I will check ←

14:41:57 <Steven> Steven: That was my understanding

Steven Pemberton: That was my understanding ←

14:42:19 <Steven> Shane: There is only one thing that is really new in 1.1, and that is the inputmoe attribute

Shane McCarron: There is only one thing that is really new in 1.1, and that is the inputmode attribute ←

14:42:26 <Steven> s/moe/mode/

14:42:41 <Steven> ... so we should be nearly there. That is the only thing that really needs testing

... so we should be nearly there. That is the only thing that really needs testing ←

14:43:01 <Steven> Yam: If Inputmode is tested in OMA< then W3C is OK?

Toshihiko Yamakami: If Inputmode is tested in OMA< then W3C is OK? ←

14:43:11 <Steven> Steven: Yes

Steven Pemberton: Yes ←

14:44:08 <Steven> ... since Basic 1.1 is a subset of what you are testing, with the exception of inputmode

... since Basic 1.1 is a subset of what you are testing, with the exception of inputmode ←

14:44:22 <Steven> ACTION: Yam to check on the status of test materials from OMA

ACTION: Yam to check on the status of test materials from OMA ←

14:46:17 <Steven> Steven: IT is even possible for the CR period to be zero-length, if the exit criteria are met early enough

Steven Pemberton: It is even possible for the CR period to be zero-length, if the exit criteria are met early enough ←

14:46:23 <Steven> s/IT/It/

14:56:13 <Steven> Topic: Access element in DOM of head

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3. Access element in DOM of head

14:56:20 <Steven> Alessio: I have sent my report

Alessio Cartocci: I have sent my report ←

14:58:13 <Steven> Rich: What do you use in IE to see what is in the DOM?

Richard Schwerdtfeger: What do you use in IE to see what is in the DOM? ←

14:58:23 <Steven> Alessio: I use a toolbar

Alessio Cartocci: I use a toolbar ←

14:58:35 <Steven> ... it is a plugin

... it is a plugin ←

14:58:35 <ShaneM>  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en

Shane McCarron: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en ←

15:00:07 <Steven> Steven: What was the question we were trying to answer with this?

Steven Pemberton: What was the question we were trying to answer with this? ←

15:00:37 <Steven> Shane: Whether we could add the access to XHTML 1.2 and get it to work, and not blow up existing browsers

Shane McCarron: Whether we could add the access to XHTML 1.2 and get it to work, and not blow up existing browsers ←

15:00:42 <Steven> ... it looks like it is OK

... it looks like it is OK ←

15:00:59 <Zakim> -Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←

15:01:01 <Zakim> -Yamx

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Yamx ←

15:01:02 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

15:01:05 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:01:06 <Steven> [ADJOURN]

[ADJOURN] ←

15:01:07 <Zakim> -Mark_Birbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -Mark_Birbeck ←

15:01:08 <Zakim> -Tina

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina ←

15:01:14 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←

15:01:16 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←

15:01:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Mark_Birbeck, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Rich, ShaneM, Alessio, Yamx

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, Mark_Birbeck, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Rich, ShaneM, Alessio, Yamx ←

15:02:22 <Tina> We're off the record?

Tina Holmboe: We're off the record? ←

15:03:53 <Steven> no!

no! ←

15:04:07 <Steven> Someone on this list has a log running

Someone on this list has a log running ←

15:04:20 <Tina> Right. Thanks.

Tina Holmboe: Right. Thanks. ←

15:04:21 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes ←

15:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←

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