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13:52:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-irc ←
13:52:34 <Windrose> Good (quick check here) morning, Steven.
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Unknown Windrose: Good (quick check here) morning, Steven. ←
13:52:42 <Steven> nope
Steven Pemberton: nope ←
13:52:45 <Steven> afternoon for me
Steven Pemberton: afternoon for me ←
13:52:48 <Steven> :-)
Steven Pemberton: :-) ←
13:52:57 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:52:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
13:53:09 <Steven> rrsagent, make log world
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log world ←
13:53:21 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:53:25 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:53:30 <Steven> Regrets: Rich
13:53:52 <Steven> Ciao Alessio!
Steven Pemberton: Ciao Alessio! ←
13:54:08 <alessio> ciao steven :)
Alessio Cartocci: ciao steven :) ←
13:54:19 <alessio> & ciao all
Alessio Cartocci: & ciao all ←
13:54:31 <Steven> Regrets+Susan
Steven Pemberton: Regrets+Susan ←
13:54:33 <Windrose> Ciao Alessio
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Unknown Windrose: Ciao Alessio ←
13:55:17 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0003
13:55:26 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0003
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0003 ←
13:56:50 <Steven> Hi Lachy
Steven Pemberton: Hi Lachy ←
13:57:45 <Steven> We'll soon find out :-)
Steven Pemberton: We'll soon find out :-) ←
13:58:06 <Lachy> ok, I'll just watch
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Scribe problem: the name 'Lachy' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Lachy: ok, I'll just watch ←
13:59:24 <Steven> What would you have done other wise?
Steven Pemberton: What would you have done other wise? ←
13:59:28 <Steven> otherwise
Steven Pemberton: otherwise ←
14:00:25 <Lachy> I could always just ignore it
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Scribe problem: the name 'Lachy' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Lachy: I could always just ignore it ←
14:00:35 <Steven> :-)
Steven Pemberton: :-) ←
14:01:00 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:01:00 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:01:01 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started ←
14:01:02 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:01:24 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:01:26 <markbirbeck> Lachy...but the problem is whether by observing an event you change that event.
Mark Birbeck: Lachy...but the problem is whether by observing an event you change that event. ←
14:01:39 <markbirbeck> :)
Mark Birbeck: :) ←
14:01:48 <Lachy> markbirbeck, how can mere observation change anything?
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Scribe problem: the name 'Lachy' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Lachy: markbirbeck, how can mere observation change anything? ←
14:02:06 <Steven> Heisenberg?
Steven Pemberton: Heisenberg? ←
14:02:10 <markbirbeck> Ask Schrodinger...I'm just the messenger. ;)
Mark Birbeck: Ask Schrodinger...I'm just the messenger. ;) ←
14:02:14 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:02:26 <alessio> I'm alessio
Alessio Cartocci: I'm alessio ←
14:02:34 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
14:02:39 <Steven> zakim, ??p13 is alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??p13 is alessio ←
14:02:39 <Zakim> +alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alessio; got it ←
14:02:53 <Steven> zakim, ??p14 is yamx
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??p14 is yamx ←
14:02:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P14 as [NRCC], Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P14 as [NRCC], Steven ←
14:03:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steven, ShaneM, alessio, ??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steven, ShaneM, alessio, ??P4 ←
14:03:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, Windrose, Steven, ShaneM, myakura, krijnh, markbirbeck, Lachy
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, Windrose, Steven, ShaneM, myakura, krijnh, markbirbeck, Lachy ←
14:03:13 <yamx> NRCc?
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Unknown yamx: NRCc? ←
14:03:45 <Steven> zakim, ??p4 is yamx
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??p4 is yamx ←
14:03:45 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:04:35 <Zakim> + +04670855aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +04670855aaaa ←
14:04:46 <Windrose> That'd be me ...
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Unknown Windrose: That'd be me ... ←
14:05:04 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Windrose
Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is Windrose ←
14:05:04 <Zakim> +Windrose; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Windrose; got it ←
14:05:30 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:05:45 <Steven> Steven: Welcome Tina! (Windrose)
Steven Pemberton: Welcome Tina! (Windrose) ←
14:05:51 <Steven> .... where are you located?
.... where are you located? ←
14:05:59 <Steven> Tina: Stockholm at this moment
Tina Holmboe: Stockholm at this moment ←
14:10:09 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
14:10:56 <Steven> Steven: Please fill in questionnaire
Steven Pemberton: Please fill in questionnaire ←
14:11:13 <Steven> ... http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2-ftf-june2007/
... http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2-ftf-june2007/ ←
14:11:47 <Zakim> +Mark_Birbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: +Mark_Birbeck ←
14:13:01 <Steven> Mark: I propose Steven as chair
Mark Birbeck: I propose Steven as chair ←
14:13:05 <Steven> sHANE: sECOND
Shane McCarron: sECOND ←
14:13:14 <Steven> Shane: Second
Shane McCarron: Second ←
14:13:39 <yamx> Yam: second
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Toshihiko Yamakami: second [ Scribe Assist by Unknown yamx ] ←
14:14:15 <_alessio> line is very disturbed...
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Unknown _alessio: line is very disturbed... ←
14:14:54 <Steven> Topic: Validator
14:15:13 <Steven> Shane: I pathced the xmlns issue, they liked it and put it in!
Shane McCarron: I patched the xmlns issue, they liked it and put it in! ←
14:15:15 <Zakim> -alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -alessio ←
14:15:25 <Steven> s/pathc/patch/
14:15:43 <Steven> ... but there is a media type issue
... but there is a media type issue ←
14:16:12 <Steven> ... I proposed XHTML docs should be parsed as XML, regardless of the media type
... I proposed XHTML docs should be parsed as XML, regardless of the media type ←
14:16:23 <Steven> ... simply because it *is* XML
... simply because it *is* XML ←
14:16:27 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:16:30 <Steven> ... this caused some confusion
... this caused some confusion ←
14:16:31 <_alessio> I agree totally
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Scribe problem: the name '_alessio' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown _alessio: I agree totally ←
14:16:43 <Steven> ... and Olivier spoke, up and agreed.
... and Olivier spoke, up and agreed. ←
14:17:04 <_alessio> zakim, that's me
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Scribe problem: the name '_alessio' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown _alessio: zakim, that's me ←
14:17:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'that's me', _alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'that's me', _alessio ←
14:17:09 <Steven> ... But Hixie and someone else was up in arms, but the validator team seems to agree.
... But Hixie and someone else was up in arms, but the validator team seems to agree. ←
14:17:30 <_alessio> I'm alessio, zakim
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Scribe problem: the name '_alessio' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown _alessio: I'm alessio, zakim ←
14:17:55 <Steven> Tina: I agree. The mime type has nothing to do with the grammar, and the validator is checking the grammar
Tina Holmboe: I agree. The mime type has nothing to do with the grammar, and the validator is checking the grammar ←
14:18:06 <ShaneM> BUG thread is at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1500
Shane McCarron: BUG thread is at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1500 ←
14:18:09 <Steven> zakim, ??P3 is _alessio
zakim, ??P3 is _alessio ←
14:18:09 <Zakim> +_alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +_alessio; got it ←
14:18:17 <Lachy> without respecting the MIME type, how do you intend to detemine if a document really is XML? Content sniffing?
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Scribe problem: the name 'Lachy' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Lachy: without respecting the MIME type, how do you intend to detemine if a document really is XML? Content sniffing? ←
14:18:39 <Steven> Shane: I propose you should read the thread
Shane McCarron: I propose you should read the thread ←
14:20:03 <Steven> ... it is quite interesting
... it is quite interesting ←
14:20:04 <Steven> ... My thing was just about the validator.
... My thing was just about the validator. ←
14:20:44 <Steven> ... Others think that there should be conformance checking as well as validation
... Others think that there should be conformance checking as well as validation ←
14:20:44 <Steven> ... No one asked me for a formal resolution on this
... No one asked me for a formal resolution on this ←
14:20:44 <Steven> ... but how about it?
... but how about it? ←
14:21:03 <ShaneM> For purposes of validation, the parsing mode must be XML because XHTML *is* XML, and our DTDs are XML DTDs.
Shane McCarron: For purposes of validation, the parsing mode must be XML because XHTML *is* XML, and our DTDs are XML DTDs. ←
14:22:27 <Steven> Steven: Anybody object?
Steven Pemberton: Anybody object? ←
14:22:42 <Steven> RESOLVED: For purposes of validation, the parsing mode must be XML because XHTML *is* XML, and our DTDs are XML DTDs. (regardless of media type)
RESOLVED: For purposes of validation, the parsing mode must be XML because XHTML *is* XML, and our DTDs are XML DTDs. (regardless of media type) ←
14:23:04 <Lachy> but text/html is not defined for content that requires XML processing. Content using that MIME type should (officially, according to HTML4) be SGML
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Scribe problem: the name 'Lachy' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Lachy: but text/html is not defined for content that requires XML processing. Content using that MIME type should (officially, according to HTML4) be SGML ←
14:23:25 <Steven> Topic: Access module
14:26:57 <Steven> Lachy, as chair, I have to tell you that you are not a member of the WG, and therefore we are obliged not to take your comments into account during WG meeting. You are free however to send comments to the list.
Lachy, as chair, I have to tell you that you are not a member of the WG, and therefore we are obliged not to take your comments into account during WG meeting. You are free however to send comments to the list. ←
14:27:24 <Steven> The XHTML2 WG is different from teh HTML WG where anyone may join.
The XHTML2 WG is different from teh HTML WG where anyone may join. ←
14:28:11 <Steven> Shane: We have this thing on the charter, and we know what it is called and what it is for. I just want to make sure we agree what it is about
Shane McCarron: We have this thing on the charter, and we know what it is called and what it is for. I just want to make sure we agree what it is about ←
14:28:44 <Steven> ... we are taking the access module from XHTML2 and making it into a module to be used with M12N
... we are taking the access module from XHTML2 and making it into a module to be used with M12N ←
14:28:56 <Steven> ... for use with other modularised languages
... for use with other modularised languages ←
14:30:58 <Steven> Shane: We have a driver for XHTML+RDFa, plus role
Shane McCarron: We have a driver for XHTML+RDFa, plus role ←
14:31:27 <Steven> ... if we add access, is that what we have been referring to as XHTML 1.2?
... if we add access, is that what we have been referring to as XHTML 1.2? ←
14:32:03 <Steven> Mark: All that I meant was XHTML 1.1+ stuff; this sounds as good as any
Mark Birbeck: All that I meant was XHTML 1.1+ stuff; this sounds as good as any ←
14:32:30 <Steven> Shane: Note that access won't work in existing UAs
Shane McCarron: Note that access won't work in existing UAs ←
14:32:47 <Steven> ... but I still think the accessibility community want it
... but I still think the accessibility community want it ←
14:33:31 <Steven> Mark: By standardising on hooks like this, it does allow UAs to have something eventually
Mark Birbeck: By standardising on hooks like this, it does allow UAs to have something eventually ←
14:33:50 <Steven> Shane: What happens with IE if it finds an access element in the head?
Shane McCarron: What happens with IE if it finds an access element in the head? ←
14:33:59 <Steven> Mark: Nothing earth shattering
Mark Birbeck: Nothing earth shattering ←
14:34:05 <_alessio> some blind people associations say accesskeys are not so useful
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Scribe problem: the name '_alessio' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown _alessio: some blind people associations say accesskeys are not so useful ←
14:34:25 <Steven> ... is it an empty element?
... is it an empty element? ←
14:34:27 <Steven> Shane: Yes
Shane McCarron: Yes ←
14:34:30 <_alessio> it's an open question because of user agents response
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Unknown _alessio: it's an open question because of user agents response ←
14:34:31 <Steven> Mark: That's good
Mark Birbeck: That's good ←
14:34:41 <Steven> ... then it doesn't make any problem
... then it doesn't cause any problem ←
14:34:54 <Steven> s/make/cause/
14:35:21 <Steven> Shane: Can I ask you to check it in the popular browsers?
Shane McCarron: Can I ask you to check it in the popular browsers? ←
14:35:38 <Steven> ... If access shows up in the DOM, then there is no reason to exclude it.
... If access shows up in the DOM, then there is no reason to exclude it. ←
14:36:36 <Steven> ... and enabling technologies can hook in to it
... and enabling technologies can hook in to it ←
14:36:50 <Steven> .... (I wish Rich were here)
.... (I wish Rich were here) ←
14:38:11 <Steven> Shane: This helps me structure the module. I'd welcome a volunteer to help me put it together.
Shane McCarron: This helps me structure the module. I'd welcome a volunteer to help me put it together. ←
14:38:34 <Steven> ... you don't have to volunteer now, but think about it
... you don't have to volunteer now, but think about it ←
14:39:19 <Steven> Tina: Since my primary focus is accessibility, once I'm up to speed, I'd be happy to help
Tina Holmboe: Since my primary focus is accessibility, once I'm up to speed, I'd be happy to help ←
14:39:58 <Steven> Alessio: I'd be happy to help with testing
Alessio Cartocci: I'd be happy to help with testing ←
14:41:14 <ShaneM> Current access module in XHTML 2 is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20070402/mod-access.html#s_accessmodule
Shane McCarron: Current access module in XHTML 2 is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20070402/mod-access.html#s_accessmodule ←
14:41:37 <Steven> ACTION: Alessio to test 'popular' browsers on whether an access element in the head of a document turns up in the DOM
ACTION: Alessio to test 'popular' browsers on whether an access element in the head of a document turns up in the DOM ←
14:43:12 <Steven> Topic: Recent issues
14:43:25 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0014
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0014 ←
14:43:33 <Steven> Typos
Typos ←
14:44:17 <Steven> Steven: We say thankyou; he's wrong on the second point
Steven Pemberton: We say thankyou; he's wrong on the second point ←
14:44:32 <Steven> re: OLStyle should be enumeration? LIStyle should be union
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Unknown re: OLStyle should be enumeration? LIStyle should be union ←
14:44:32 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0013
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0013 ←
14:46:30 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to check Shane's schema comments
ACTION: Steven to check Shane's schema comments ←
14:47:23 <Steven> Shane: In this case, Mimasa produced a non-normative schema, and we just mirrored the DTD
Shane McCarron: In this case, Mimasa produced a non-normative schema, and he just mirrored the DTD ←
14:47:29 <Steven> s/we/he/
14:47:38 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-list-1.xsd
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-list-1.xsd ←
14:47:39 <Steven> Steven: Do we use an enumeration in M12NS?
Steven Pemberton: Do we use an enumeration in M12NS? ←
14:47:46 <Steven> Shane: Pretty sure we don't
Shane McCarron: Pretty sure we don't ←
14:48:51 <Steven> ... oh wait, it's not even *inI M12N!
... oh wait, it's not even *inI M12N! ←
14:49:02 <Steven> ... It's presentational; we leave it to CSS
... It's presentational; we leave it to CSS ←
14:49:05 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/abstract_modules.html#s_listmodule
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/abstract_modules.html#s_listmodule ←
14:49:25 <Steven> Shane: Yeah, they only take Common
Shane McCarron: Yeah, they only take Common ←
14:49:32 <ShaneM> We don't support that attribute in M12N 1.1.... maybe in Legacy?
Shane McCarron: We don't support that attribute in M12N 1.1.... maybe in Legacy? ←
14:49:49 <Steven> [curie] CURIE Syntax 1.0 - smtp: ?
[curie] CURIE Syntax 1.0 - smtp: ? ←
14:49:49 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0011
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0011 ←
14:50:10 <Steven> Shane: We do support it in legacy modules, but it is just CDATA
Shane McCarron: We do support it in legacy modules, but it is just CDATA ←
14:50:37 <Steven> Shane: He's right; we'll fix it
Shane McCarron: He's right; we'll fix it ←
14:51:12 <Steven> xml:space declarated twice in SVG 1.1 and XHTML+MathML+SVG flat DTD
xml:space declarated twice in SVG 1.1 and XHTML+MathML+SVG flat DTD ←
14:51:12 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0010
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0010 ←
14:52:14 <Steven> Shane: This has nothing to do with us; it is only the SVG bit that is in error
Shane McCarron: This has nothing to do with us; it is only the SVG bit that is in error ←
14:53:48 <Steven> Shane: Basic Transition?
Shane McCarron: Basic Transition? ←
14:54:03 <Steven> Steven: I'm meeting with Steve next week, and we will put our agendas again
Steven Pemberton: I'm meeting with Steve next week, and we will put our agendas again ←
14:54:32 <Steven> Shane: And M12N?
Shane McCarron: And M12N? ←
14:54:44 <Steven> ... Oh yes! We're gated on the Schema group comments
... Oh yes! We're gated on the Schema group comments ←
14:54:53 <Steven> Steven: My action item
Steven Pemberton: My action item ←
14:54:56 <Steven> ... will do it
... will do it ←
14:55:57 <Steven> Shane: Mark, will you test the changes that are a result of the Schema WG suggestions?
Shane McCarron: Mark, will you test the changes that are a result of the Schema WG suggestions? ←
14:56:39 <Steven> Mark: Yes. Let's do this offline.
Mark Birbeck: Yes. Let's do this offline. ←
14:56:58 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts page
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts page ←
14:57:43 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send pointers to additions for Drafts page (RDFa stuff)
ACTION: Steven to send pointers to additions for Drafts page (RDFa stuff) ←
14:58:25 <Steven> Shane: The drafts page should work in IE now
Shane McCarron: The drafts page should work in IE now ←
14:59:03 <ShaneM> redirects to here.... http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/Overview.html
Shane McCarron: redirects to here.... http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/Overview.html ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> -Mark_Birbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -Mark_Birbeck ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> -yamx
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15:01:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> -Windrose
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Windrose ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> -_alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -_alessio ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
15:01:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, alessio, yamx, +04670855aaaa, Windrose, Mark_Birbeck, _alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, alessio, yamx, +04670855aaaa, Windrose, Mark_Birbeck, _alessio ←
15:01:23 <Steven> Steven: Call next week? Mark and I will be in Banff for WWW2007, but I should be able to make it
Steven Pemberton: Call next week? Mark and I will be in Banff for WWW2007, but I should be able to make it ←
15:01:31 <Steven> Mark: Regrets from me, I shall be travelling
Mark Birbeck: Regrets from me, I shall be travelling ←
15:01:45 <Steven> Steven: We'll have the call
Steven Pemberton: We'll have the call ←
15:01:52 <_alessio> ok
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Unknown _alessio: ok ←
15:01:59 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> apparently IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: apparently IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended, Steven ←
15:01:59 <Windrose> I should be able to make it.
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Unknown Windrose: I should be able to make it. ←
15:02:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see AGraf|mb, AGraf, _alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, Windrose, Steven, ShaneM, myakura, krijnh, markbirbeck, Lachy
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AGraf|mb, AGraf, _alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, Windrose, Steven, ShaneM, myakura, krijnh, markbirbeck, Lachy ←
15:02:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:04:33 <Lachy> Windrose, are you the same Tina I've been discussing HTML5 with on www-html?
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Unknown Lachy: Windrose, are you the same Tina I've been discussing HTML5 with on www-html? ←
15:05:54 <Windrose> Lachy: that would be me, yes. Good afternoon, Lachlan.
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Unknown Lachy: that would be me, yes. Good afternoon, Lachlan. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Windrose ] ←
15:07:25 <Lachy> good evening :-)
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Unknown Lachy: good evening :-) ←
15:07:43 <Lachy> did you only just join the XHTML2 group recenly?
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Unknown Lachy: did you only just join the XHTML2 group recenly? ←
15:07:57 <_alessio> bye & happy working to all :)
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Unknown _alessio: bye & happy working to all :) ←
15:09:33 <Lachy> Windrose, have you decided not to particpate in the HTMLWG?
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Unknown Lachy: Windrose, have you decided not to particpate in the HTMLWG? ←
15:11:24 <Windrose> Lachy: I've recently joined XHTML2WG - HTMLWG is still up in the air for me, but I am considering it.
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Unknown Lachy: I've recently joined XHTML2WG - HTMLWG is still up in the air for me, but I am considering it. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Windrose ] ←
15:13:11 <Lachy> ok, fair enough. I thought you would join and raise your formal objection to the adoption of HTML5
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Unknown Lachy: ok, fair enough. I thought you would join and raise your formal objection to the adoption of HTML5 ←
15:13:30 <Lachy> anyway, the XHTML2 WG should work out well for you, you seem to share many of the same views
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Unknown Lachy: anyway, the XHTML2 WG should work out well for you, you seem to share many of the same views ←
15:13:45 <Windrose> Lachy: the work'll be interesting, yes.
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Unknown Lachy: the work'll be interesting, yes. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Windrose ] ←
15:17:16 <Lachy> but one thing I would really like clarification on, is why do you object to HTML5 defining how UAs should process bad content, given that the authoring requirements more closely match your goals (minus the few presentatioal elements you already objected to)
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Unknown Lachy: but one thing I would really like clarification on, is why do you object to HTML5 defining how UAs should process bad content, given that the authoring requirements more closely match your goals (minus the few presentatioal elements you already objected to) ←
15:26:18 <Windrose> Lachy: I'm certain that's a discussion better had on the mailing-list? At the moment it seems I'm getting no mail from either of them, but I'm sure that'll get sorted. In brief, however, I am not objecting to HTML 5 having rules for how to handle bad content. I'd rather like to see a "Ignore tags not in the standard" rule myself.
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Unknown Lachy: I'm certain that's a discussion better had on the mailing-list? At the moment it seems I'm getting no mail from either of them, but I'm sure that'll get sorted. In brief, however, I am not objecting to HTML 5 having rules for how to handle bad content. I'd rather like to see a "Ignore tags not in the standard" rule myself. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Windrose ] ←
15:28:21 <Lachy> what exactly does "ignore" mean in that context? Don't add it to the DOM? Add it to the DOM, but do nothing with it? other?
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Unknown Lachy: what exactly does "ignore" mean in that context? Don't add it to the DOM? Add it to the DOM, but do nothing with it? other? ←
15:29:54 <Lachy> but if it's in the DOM, then something has to be done with it (even if it's just render it as display: inline;), and also the parsing requirements need to deal with how to handle tags for unknown elements
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Unknown Lachy: but if it's in the DOM, then something has to be done with it (even if it's just render it as display: inline;), and also the parsing requirements need to deal with how to handle tags for unknown elements ←
15:30:23 <ShaneM> Surely the DOM construction rules are governed by the DOM spec.
Shane McCarron: Surely the DOM construction rules are governed by the DOM spec. ←
15:30:49 <Lachy> the DOM spec doesn't define how to construct a DOM from the serialisation
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Unknown Lachy: the DOM spec doesn't define how to construct a DOM from the serialisation ←
15:31:04 <Windrose> Lachy: I'm sure the details could be worked out.
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Unknown Lachy: I'm sure the details could be worked out. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Windrose ] ←
15:31:35 <ShaneM> XHTML (via the XML DOM) has all elements present in the DOM.
Shane McCarron: XHTML (via the XML DOM) has all elements present in the DOM. ←
15:31:45 <Lachy> the XML spec doesn't either, but it can at least be extrapolated from the syntax
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Unknown Lachy: the XML spec doesn't either, but it can at least be extrapolated from the syntax ←
15:32:34 <Lachy> there are some cases in HTML where certain tags are ignored and those elements aren't added to the DOM (needed for compat)
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Unknown Lachy: there are some cases in HTML where certain tags are ignored and those elements aren't added to the DOM (needed for compat) ←
15:32:49 <Lachy> such as <caption> appearing outside of a table
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Unknown Lachy: such as <caption> appearing outside of a table ←
15:33:27 <ShaneM> I have to bail on this conversation - next meeting already started. later
Shane McCarron: I have to bail on this conversation - next meeting already started. later ←
15:33:38 <Lachy> cya
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Unknown Lachy: cya ←
15:34:40 <Lachy> bye
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Unknown Lachy: bye ←
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