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XHTML M12N, 1.1, Basic 2e Transition Call

Minutes of 27 September 2005

Seen
Unknown Chris, Unknown Philipp, Unknown Steven, Unknown TimBL, Unknown karl, Unknown mi, Unknown ph, Unknown steve, Unknown timbl_
Chair
Unknown Chris
Scribe
Unknown mimasa
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. include @target to XHTML 1.1 Second Edition link
  2. add @target to XHTML Basic as well link
  3. Modify definition of the datatype "URI" to mention that it also includes IRIs link
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12:57:13 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined &xhtml

RRSAgent IRC Bot: RRSAgent has joined &xhtml

12:57:13 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-xhtml-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-xhtml-irc

12:57:15 <Steven> Steven has joined &xhtml

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Scribe problem: the name 'Steven' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Steven: Steven has joined &xhtml

12:57:28 <Steven> rrsagent, pointer?

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Unknown Steven: rrsagent, pointer?

12:57:28 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-xhtml-irc#T12-57-28

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-xhtml-irc#T12-57-28

12:57:38 <Steven> zakim, code?

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Unknown Steven: zakim, code?

12:57:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), Steven

12:58:15 <Zakim> HTML_(XHTML PER)9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: HTML_(XHTML PER)9:00AM has now started

12:58:22 <Zakim> +Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve

12:58:43 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617

12:58:43 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

12:58:44 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

13:00:31 <ph> ph has joined &xhtml

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Unknown ph: ph has joined &xhtml

13:00:56 <timbl_> timbl_ has joined &xhtml

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Unknown timbl_: timbl_ has joined &xhtml

13:01:00 <ph> zakim, who is here?

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Scribe problem: the name 'ph' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ph: zakim, who is here?

13:01:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steve, Steven

13:01:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

13:01:05 <timbl_> Zakim, what is the passcode?

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Unknown timbl_: Zakim, what is the passcode?

13:01:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), timbl_

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), timbl_

13:01:24 <Zakim> +TimBL

Zakim IRC Bot: +TimBL

13:01:27 <timbl_> Zakim, who is here?

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Unknown timbl_: Zakim, who is here?

13:01:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, Steven, TimBL

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steve, Steven, TimBL

13:01:28 <mi> mi has joined &xhtml

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Unknown mi: mi has joined &xhtml

13:01:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

13:01:32 <ph> no chris?

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Unknown ph: no chris?

13:01:57 <Zakim> +Keio

Zakim IRC Bot: +Keio

13:02:33 <ph> zakim, call philipp-work

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Unknown ph: zakim, call philipp-work

13:02:33 <Zakim> ok, ph; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ph; the call is being made

13:02:34 <Zakim> +Philipp

Zakim IRC Bot: +Philipp

13:02:58 <karl> karl has joined &xhtml

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Unknown karl: karl has joined &xhtml

13:03:01 <Zakim> -Philipp

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Philipp

13:03:06 <karl> zakim, call karl-work

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Scribe problem: the name 'karl' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown karl: zakim, call karl-work

13:03:06 <Zakim> ok, karl; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, karl; the call is being made

13:03:07 <Zakim> +Karl

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karl

13:03:13 <mi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0066

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Unknown mi: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0066

13:03:19 <steve> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-qa/2005Jul/0060

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Unknown steve: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-qa/2005Jul/0060

13:05:07 <ph> got chris

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Unknown ph: got chris

13:05:09 <ph> he'll call in

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Unknown ph: he'll call in

13:05:18 <ph> sorry

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Unknown ph: sorry

13:07:09 <ph> zakim, call chris-home

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Unknown ph: zakim, call chris-home

13:07:09 <Zakim> ok, ph; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ph; the call is being made

13:07:11 <Zakim> +Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chris

13:07:46 <ph> zakim, call philipp-work

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Unknown ph: zakim, call philipp-work

13:07:46 <Zakim> ok, ph; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ph; the call is being made

13:07:47 <Zakim> +Philipp

Zakim IRC Bot: +Philipp

13:08:19 <Zakim> -Chris

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Chris

13:08:19 <ph> zakim, drop chris

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Unknown ph: zakim, drop chris

13:08:20 <Zakim> sorry, ph, I do not see a party named 'chris'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ph, I do not see a party named 'chris'

13:09:03 <Chris> Chris has joined &xhtml

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Unknown Chris: Chris has joined &xhtml

13:09:16 <Chris> zakim, dial chris-work

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Unknown Chris: zakim, dial chris-work

13:09:16 <Zakim> ok, Chris; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Chris; the call is being made

13:09:17 <Zakim> +Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chris

13:09:31 <Zakim> -Philipp

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Philipp

13:10:02 <Chris> zakim, who is here

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Unknown Chris: zakim, who is here

13:10:02 <Zakim> Chris, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: Chris, you need to end that query with '?'

13:10:05 <steve> zakim, who is here?

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Unknown steve: zakim, who is here?

13:10:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, Steven, TimBL, Keio, Karl, Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steve, Steven, TimBL, Keio, Karl, Chris

13:10:06 <Chris> zakim, who is here?

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Unknown Chris: zakim, who is here?

13:10:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Chris, karl, mi, timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Chris, karl, mi, timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

13:10:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, Steven, TimBL, Keio, Karl, Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steve, Steven, TimBL, Keio, Karl, Chris

13:10:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Chris, karl, mi, timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Chris, karl, mi, timbl_, ph, Steven, RRSAgent, Zakim, steve

13:10:27 <ph> ph has left &xhtml

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Unknown ph: ph has left &xhtml

13:10:48 <mi> Meeting: XHTML M12N, 1.1, Basic 2e Transition Call
13:10:57 <mi> Chair: Chris

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13:11:01 <mi> Scribe: mimasa

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(Scribe set to Unknown mimasa)

13:11:17 <mi> Chris: issue is @target

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Unknown Chris: issue is @target [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:11:42 <mi> (explains background, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0066 for more details)

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Unknown mi: (explains background, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0066 for more details)

13:12:50 <mi> Tim: did all existing implementations support @target?

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Unknown Tim: did all existing implementations support @target? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:13:39 <mi> Steven: XHTML 1.1 is just an updated version of XHTML 1.0 Strict, which didn't have @target

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Unknown Steven: XHTML 1.1 is just an updated version of XHTML 1.0 Strict, which didn't have @target [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:13:56 <mi> Tim: why Strict didn't have @target?

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Unknown Tim: why Strict didn't have @target? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:14:15 <mi> Chris: because it was supposed to be used with frames, but there are other use cases

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Unknown Chris: because it was supposed to be used with frames, but there are other use cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:14:39 <timbl_> Steven: it was in XHTML 1.0 strict, and will be in XHTML 2.

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Unknown Steven: it was in XHTML 1.0 strict, and will be in XHTML 2. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ]

13:14:42 <Chris> Karl: being used for new windows as well as frames

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Unknown Karl: being used for new windows as well as frames [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:15:30 <timbl_> Steven: it was taken out of strict as frames were taken out, but this was a mistake because it has non-frame uses.

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Unknown Steven: it was taken out of strict as frames were taken out, but this was a mistake because it has non-frame uses. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ]

13:15:53 <timbl_> Steven:  XHTML 1.1 only had strict.

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Unknown Steven: XHTML 1.1 only had strict. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ]

13:16:03 <Chris> Steven: opinons have changed on target, it was originally thought to be only for deprecated uses

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Unknown Steven: opinons have changed on target, it was originally thought to be only for deprecated uses [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:16:11 <Chris> MI: Also 1.1 has ruby

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Unknown MI: Also 1.1 has ruby [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:16:16 <timbl_> ... it only added Ruby to the XHTML 1.0

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Unknown timbl_: ... it only added Ruby to the XHTML 1.0

13:17:16 <Chris> KD: Many people will be happy, lots of people want this. On the other hand, IE7 does not do application/xhtml+xml

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Unknown KD: Many people will be happy, lots of people want this. On the other hand, IE7 does not do application/xhtml+xml [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:17:33 <timbl_> Chris: This will work with all implementations as they already implement 'target'.   it will only fail in validators.

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Unknown Chris: This will work with all implementations as they already implement 'target'. it will only fail in validators. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ]

13:17:57 <Chris> KD: People might ask for all sorts of other stuff, like embed

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Unknown KD: People might ask for all sorts of other stuff, like embed [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:18:40 <mi> Chris: embed was never in standard HTML as it was incompatible with SGML DTD

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Unknown Chris: embed was never in standard HTML as it was incompatible with SGML DTD [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:18:40 <Chris> SP: Best to argue it was an error to miit it and that error is corrected

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Unknown SP: Best to argue it was an error to miit it and that error is corrected [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:19:06 <Chris> Steve: as long as this is added in the status of this document, it should be fine

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Unknown Steve: as long as this is added in the status of this document, it should be fine [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:19:58 <Chris> Timbl: this seems reasonab;e to me, as an error and to note that we expect all software to work, will not cause undue harm id  not understood does not invalidate existing documents

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Unknown Timbl: this seems reasonable to me, as an error and to note that we expect all software to work, will not cause undue harm if not understood does not invalifate existing documents [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:20:07 <Chris> s/id/if/
13:20:14 <mi> s/reasonab;e/reasonable/
13:20:27 <timbl_> - All the software we know about implments it.

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Unknown timbl_: - All the software we know about implments it.

13:20:51 <timbl_> - And any software we don't know about is bound to ignore it even if it doesn't implement it.

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Unknown timbl_: - And any software we don't know about is bound to ignore it even if it doesn't implement it, and ignoreing the target attribiute will not cuase major problems..

13:21:08 <timbl_> - Documents which were valdi will remain valid

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Unknown timbl_: - Documents which were valdi will remain valid

13:21:44 <timbl_> s/implement it/implement it, and ignoreing the target attribiute will not cuase major problems.
13:22:03 <timbl_> - The only significant change wil be some invalid documents will become valid.

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Unknown timbl_: - The only significant change wil be some invalid documents will become valid.

13:22:55 <mi> Tim: discussion on the TAG - HTML is not really defined by DTD

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Unknown Tim: discussion on the TAG - HTML is not really defined by DTD [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:23:14 <Chris> timbl: for another time, discuss that xhtml is not really defined by its dtd - should also skip unknown tags and attrs as per xhtml spec

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Unknown timbl: for another time, discuss that xhtml is not really defined by its dtd - should also skip unknown tags and attrs as per xhtml spec [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:23:43 <Chris> timbl: anyone respond to knuth?

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Unknown timbl: anyone respond to knuth? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:24:00 <Chris> kd: yes, and he was satisfied

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Unknown kd: yes, and he was satisfied [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:24:15 <karl> the thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2005Sep/thread.html#52

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Unknown karl: the thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2005Sep/thread.html#52

13:24:34 <steve> http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/

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Unknown steve: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/

13:25:09 <karl> he changed his doctype

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Unknown karl: he changed his doctype

13:25:10 <karl> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"

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Unknown karl: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"

13:25:10 <karl>    "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

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Unknown karl: "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

13:25:10 <karl> <html>

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Unknown karl: <html>

13:25:13 <karl> yeeehaaa

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Unknown karl: yeeehaaa

13:25:24 <mi> Chris: is there other issues?

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Unknown Chrare: are there other aresues? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:25:32 <mi> s/is/are/
13:25:46 <karl> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/

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Unknown karl: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/

13:25:56 <mi> RESOLUTION: include @target to XHTML 1.1 Second Edition

RESOLVED: include @target to XHTML 1.1 Second Edition

13:26:05 <Zakim> -TimBL

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Zakim IRC Bot: -TimBL

13:26:19 <Chris> Topic Modularisation second edition

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Unknown Chris: Topic Modularisation second edition

13:26:34 <Chris> SP:Mering od DTD and schema-based versions of m12n

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Unknown SP: Meging of DTD and schema-based versions of m12n [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:26:55 <Chris> ... incorporates al comments from last call

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Unknown Chris: ... incorporates al comments from last call

13:27:29 <Chris> s/Mering od/Meging of/
13:27:52 <Chris> SP: No issues from last call

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Unknown SP: No issues from last call [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:27:57 <mi> ... DTD, XML Schema etc. are just implementatin methods

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Unknown mi: ... DTD, XML Schema etc. are just implementatin methods

13:27:59 <Chris> Steve: was it separate?

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Unknown Steve: was it separate? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:28:02 <Chris> SP: yes

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Unknown SP: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:28:56 <Chris> CL: Why does it have a zero length CR?

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Unknown CL: Why does it have a zero length CR? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:29:12 <Chris> SP: because it already works

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Unknown SP: because it already works [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:30:26 <Chris> SP: last time, we saidf that any DTD processor can use this and Tim also asked for use of m12n

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Unknown SP: last time, we saidf that any DTD processor can use this and Tim also asked for use of m12n [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:31:21 <Chris> Xfromation, FormsPlayer 2.0, eclipse, all implement this

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Unknown Chris: Xfromation, FormsPlayer 2.0, eclipse, all implement this

13:31:35 <mi> s/XFromation/XFormation/

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Unknown mi: s/XFromation/XFormation/ (warning: replacement failed)

13:32:27 <Chris> Steve: what was the reason for going to PER ratther than going to CR?

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Unknown Steve: what was the reason for going to PER ratther than going to CR? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:34:19 <Chris> CL: there have been problems with some schema processors, not necessarily with this set of schemas

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Unknown CL: there have been problems with some schema processors, not necessarily with this set of schemas [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:35:13 <Chris> teve: the easiest thing would be to publish an implementation report that demonstrates this

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Unknown Steve: the easiest thing would be to publish an implementation report that demonstrates this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:35:26 <mi> s/teve:/Steve:/
13:38:12 <Chris> CL: Is this a PER or PR?

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Unknown CL: Is this a PER or PR? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:38:34 <mi> Steven: can we still call it Second Edition?

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Unknown Steven: can we still call it Second Edition? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:39:40 <mi> Steven: M12N splits XHTML elements and attributes into modules

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Unknown Steven: M12N splits XHTML elements and attributes into modules [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:39:41 <Chris> KD: There is no redefinition of the semantics of M12n

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Unknown KD: There is no redefinition of the semantics of M12n [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:40:30 <Chris> Discussion on second edition vs 1.1

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Unknown Chris: Discussion on second edition vs 1.1

13:40:30 <mi> Steven: I'm reluctant to call it M12N 1.1, since there's no change in modules

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Unknown Steven: I'm reluctant to call it M12N 1.1, since there's no change in modules [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:41:30 <mi> Steve: better to call it "XHTML Modularization" than "Modularization of XHTML"

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Unknown Steve: better to call it "XHTML Modularization" than "Modularization of XHTML" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:41:51 <Chris> KD: I agree

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Unknown KD: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:43:01 <Chris> XHTML 1.1 SE and XHTML Basic 1.1 are updated to point to the 1.1 od Modularisation

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Unknown Chris: XHTML 1.1 SE and XHTML Basic 1.1 are updated to point to the 1.1 od Modularisation

13:43:21 <Chris> MI: adding target to basic as well?

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Unknown MI: adding target to basic as well? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:43:38 <Steven> I can live with calling it XHTML Modularisation 1.1

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Unknown Steven: I can live with calling it XHTML Modularisation 1.1

13:43:59 <Chris> CL: inconsistent to do one and not the other

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Unknown CL: inconsistent to do one and not the other [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:44:08 <mi> RESOLUTION: add @target to XHTML Basic as well

RESOLVED: add @target to XHTML Basic as well

13:44:41 <steve> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2005/PER-xhtml11-20050425/xhtml11-diff.html

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13:44:45 <Chris> Steve: Seems to be a lot of changes here

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Unknown Steve: Seems to be a lot of changes here [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:45:14 <Chris> SP: we uppercased the musts to be more visible. we add an xsi:schemaLocation on root

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Unknown SP: we uppercased the musts to be more visible. we add an xsi:schemaLocation on root [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:46:17 <mi> ... changed reference to modules

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Unknown mi: ... changed reference to modules

13:46:26 <mi> ... added XML Schema implementation

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Unknown mi: ... added XML Schema implementation

13:47:13 <mi> Steven: Shane wanted to uppercase MUST

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Unknown Steven: Shane wanted to uppercase MUST [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:47:30 <Chris> KD: SpecGL does not care about musts, as long as its defined in the spec

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Unknown KD: SpecGL does not care about musts, as long as its defined in the spec [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:47:37 <mi> cf. 2. Conformance Definition

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Unknown mi: cf. 2. Conformance Definition

13:47:43 <mi> "The keywords "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119] ."

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Unknown mi: "The keywords "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119] ."

13:48:35 <Chris> current spec does not add arget yet

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Unknown Chris: current spec does not add arget yet

13:49:15 <mi> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2005/PER-xhtml-modularization-20050425/xhtml-modularization-diff.html

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13:50:00 <Chris> good to see 	A language code, as per [RFC3066] or its successor.

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Unknown Chris: good to see A language code, as per [RFC3066] or its successor.

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13:51:36 <Chris> URI is defined as anyURI, which allows IRI - any reason not to just call it IRI?

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Unknown Chris: URI is defined as anyURI, which allows IRI - any reason not to just call it IRI?

13:52:51 <mi> MI: simply because at the time we were preparing the document, IRR spec was not yet ready - now it's an RFC, we could reference it directly

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Unknown MI: simply because at the time we were preparing the document, IRR spec was not yet ready - now it's an RFC, we could reference it directly [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mi ]

13:55:00 <Chris> ok with not changing the type name, for backwards compatibility, bit the spec needs to say explicitly that an IRI can be used there

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Unknown Chris: ok with not changing the type name, for backwards compatibility, bit the spec needs to say explicitly that an IRI can be used there

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13:57:21 <mi> RESOLUTION: Modify definition of the datatype "URI" to mention that it also includes IRIs

RESOLVED: Modify definition of the datatype "URI" to mention that it also includes IRIs

13:57:44 <Chris> Steve: oone call for a PR, two for PER, separate WBS forms

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Unknown Steve: oone call for a PR, two for PER, separate WBS forms [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:58:00 <Chris> status section updates about target

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Unknown Chris: status section updates about target

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13:58:19 <Chris> update to clarify about ITI and reference RFC 3987

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Unknown Chris: update to clarify about IRI and reference RFC 3987

13:58:33 <mi> s/ITI/IRI/
13:58:37 <Chris> editing actions on Shane

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Unknown Chris: editing actions on Shane

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13:59:14 <Chris> MI to work with comm team to get the review going

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Unknown Chris: MI to work with comm team to get the review going

13:59:25 <Chris> KD: when?

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Unknown KD: when? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:59:35 <Chris> CL: when its ready! asap

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Unknown CL: when its ready! asap [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ]

13:59:36 <Steven> soon

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Unknown Steven: soon

14:00:03 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end now; all ports must be freed immediately

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14:00:03 <Chris> zakim, bye

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Unknown Chris: zakim, bye

14:00:03 <Zakim> Zakim has left &xhtml

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14:00:07 <Zakim> The time reserved for this conference has been exceeded. 11 ports must be freed

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14:00:09 <Chris> rrsagent, make minutes

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Unknown Chris: rrsagent, make minutes

14:00:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-xhtml-minutes.html Chris

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14:00:11 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Steve, Steven, TimBL, Philipp, Karl, Chris, mimasa

Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Steve, Steven, TimBL, Philipp, Karl, Chris, mimasa

14:00:15 <karl> karl has left &xhtml

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14:00:47 <Chris> Chris has left &xhtml

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Unknown Chris: Chris has left &xhtml

14:02:14 <mi> rrsagent, excuse us

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Unknown mi: rrsagent, excuse us

14:02:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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